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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 2:53:07 PM

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I know a lot of this got batted around in the OT forum thread about the kids who got kicked off the bus in the UK for the collar and leash thing. Personally, I think the best trained dogs don't require either a collar or leash (or maybe the collar just to attach a tag to with owner's contact info and/or rabies tag), they stay glued to their owner's side no matter what. Thus, if I were to see someone leading someone else around by a collar and leash, in any situation, I'd probably consider them to have a poor relationship lacking in trust and understanding. I couldn't consider them a willing s-type - they're clearly a flight risk. Especially since we're supposed to be more intelligent beings........

Secondly, the ancient greeks had this notion of the "social contract". It implied that there had to be a certain order and structure (laws), otherwise society would fail. Allowing, for instance anyone to kill someone else on a mere whim - would generally not be supportive to a sound society (when every one's dead, where's your society then?), and humans tend to need society to survive - they don't do well as solitary beasts; to the modern day law of having to be somewhere in your mid to late teens before you are deemed "safe" to get behind the wheel of an automobile and drive it alone. Clearly putting driver's licenses in the hands of anyone much younger than that would probably not be conducive to a sound society.

LA has rights to do whatever she wants (as does anyone) within limits. As long as what she (or anyone else) does, doesn't harm society at large then usually it is permitted. The rest of society has rights too though. Trying to determine the limits of what is best for society is where trouble arises. There are cultures on this planet where clothing is definitely not the norm. But the member's of those societies are raised with a whole different societal structure that works for them and supports their social contract (I don't think porn tends to permeate all levels of those structures, if it even exists at all, for one thing). You are sure as hell going to run into trouble if you start trying to mix and match acceptable practices from one context into what's acceptable in a totally different context. And those are often the types of excuses made.... "well so-and-so do it, and they don't have a problem...."

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 3:00:15 PM

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It's also unwise to think that social norms and cultures are incapable of change or shouldn't change. What used to be very accepted is repulsive, what was repulsive is accepted. Smoking, women wearing pants, breast-feeding (it was once considered very low class to feed your child from your own breast), corsets, hoop skirts, etc.

In my eyes, it's not mix and match. It's doing what makes you happy and suits you best. I strongly dislike the sight of a woman wearing a burka yet there are women in America who wear them nor would I call their wearing one mixing and matching cultures, even though they are clearly in the minority.

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 3:24:36 PM

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Obviously society changes - sometimes quickly, sometimes - not so much. But it has to change in such a way that the majority are, if not in direct agreement with the change, then at least not in outright DISagreement with it. The wearing of a burka grinds against the sensibilities of many western women, myself included, but until you could prove a direct link between their wearing of one, and a negative impact on western society as a whole, then they should retain the right to wear it - but it's very much mixing and (barely, if at all) matching western societal constructs.

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 3:55:11 PM

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Wow LA is now officially INSANE..? Wow, softare continues to amaze me.

Not that I really care, but for me I do categorize it under "Opinion Polution" - you don't have to advertise your sexuality - I couldn't care less. As I do not want to listen to your loud music having your car parked across the street and windows down. Or breathe the downstairs guy's smoke. What you do is yours. That being said I -think - I understand where you're coming from. So to continue where I started. Don't impose "YOUR" religion or morality on me either. But there will always be a majority - either people or money to control this world and as long as we're not thrown in jail for the rest of our lives for going to the local dungeon, I think we can do OK. And btw. why would I take a slave on a leash to the mall anyways - too much hassle - I just the slave to pick up what I want - so I don't have to deal with it - but of course - that's just me.

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