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BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 5:34:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CalifChick Kali my friend. Remember what I said here. Print it out and tape it to your bathroom mirror. Just show them your sword and the severed head you carry. Be strong, be proud. Cali ok.. I just read that and got major goosebumps..

BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 5:42:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kalista07 quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 Why would insurance cover an eating plan? Do you not regularly go to the store and buy groceries? hm..Honestly, not very often...Why? Because the shame, guilt and looks of horror i get from people as i'm purchasing groceries fuck me up...so frankly, i try to stay away from the grocery store...My personal best of not eating is 12 days.... quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 Here again, why does it take money to exercise? Millions do it for free everyday. There's running, swimming, pushups, sit ups, walking, basketball, tennis, etc, etc. Why do any of these have to cost money beyond purchase of the clothing to wear and the racquets or balls used to participate? Actually it doesn't cost me anything to exercise...i do it for free...But, my question was more about the fact that all of these insurance companies who are soooo willing to cover all of these "obesity" surgeries are the same ones turning down requests for similar programs...Requests, in my mind, that would produce more long term results.. Western Medicine is all treating the sick. Eastern medicine is all about keeping people well.

SirRober -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 6:13:56 AM)
I don't understand why the public is obsessed with weight. but I know from a military stand point (navy) they want a more professional look to thier sailors. BS. Well to make a long story short. The navy is kicking me out since I am overweight, and the progam that I had to goto everyday for 6 mos made me gain 20 lbs of muscle. and all of the measurements stayed the same. So now I am waiting for the time to come to tell the Gov't to Kiss off.. Also I can force myself to lose the weight but .... then I would probally get in trouble for fighting. Since I tend to get very aggressive when hungary.

Aubre -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 6:16:53 AM)
My brother's name for me when I was a little kid was "Fat Shit". He even had a song he would sing, "Fat Shit, your nothing but a Fat Shit." I remember a girl I used to have a crush on asking me "So is it true that fat guys have smaller penises?" Once in college I had a perfect grade on all of my tests in a class, but I got a B, and when I asked why, the instructor said, "Because you are fat." When I joined the Navy I basically starved myself and worked out all the time just to keep my weight down. My weight stayed down, but I was so hungry all the time - it was so hard. Also It's interesting to belong to, and be employed by an organization that basically encourages people to criticize your weight. When I got out, I promised I wasn't going to starve myself again. But the first job I got, my boss said between puffing on his cigarette that if I didn't lose weight over time he'd fire me. I took another job before it got to that point. Isn't life grand? It has been for me.

Aubre -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 6:25:02 AM)
I love Christina Aguilera's song Beautiful.

cloudboy -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 6:44:10 AM)
Well, I think part of it is ignorance/wonderment. Folks without weight issues cannot relate to those with them. For instance recently there was the weight thread that got pulled. The OP had a weight clause with her master about not gaining 15 llbs. The issue was whether it was fair to contain one's weight under that threshold. In my case, 15 llbs is a non issue. At most I worry about gaining to 2-5 llbs. So, I could not personally relate to the OP. It pretty much excludes me from giving her good advice or having any empathy for her situation. There is a temptation to get prescriptive about what to do, but I've learned here not to do that, because no matter how well intentioned I might be, I come off as obnoxious.

Nats -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 7:56:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Nat, I know, there's always a heavy emphasis on "medical reasons". That's the "out", "it's not my fault" it's always some sort of "medical problem." Popeye, are you deliberately being obtuse? Taking the piss? Do you honestly believe that there are no valid medical reasons for being overweight, and that in all cases it is the fault of the person? Let me guess, you also believe that schizophrenia, depression, and other forms of mental illness couldn't possibly be due to chemical imbalances. quote: I guess there's been an absolute explosion of thyroid problems in the last 30-50 years. How come we never had all these problems in the 1950's and 60's? Is it an epidemic? I have no idea what the reasons may be. I'd sure like to know though. I'd also love to know why there has been a huge increase in those with asthma over the years. [sarcasm]Perhaps those that have a form of exertion asthma should quit using medication and start doing more strenuous workouts to get their bodies in better shape. [/sarcasm] quote: People should stop complaining and get up off their ample arses open the door and go for a walk! "But my hips hurt if I walk more than 500 feet." "I get out of breath when I walk." "But it's raining!" "But...." "But,..." "But,..." Now I know you're being obtuse. That or you really didn't bother reading what I wrote. I have mini gym at home with quite a few pieces of equipment. I worked out for a couple of hours a day, ate salads, and still gained weight due to my thyroid. Even at the height of my weight gain, I'd bet my left tit that if you and I were to go biking, hiking, running etc., that you couldn't have kept up with me, wouldn't have lasted as long as me, and were winded far before I was... and the next day, it wouldn't have been me that was sore from a strenuous workout.

OmegaG -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 8:01:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Well, I think part of it is ignorance/wonderment. Folks without weight issues cannot relate to those with them. For instance recently there was the weight thread that got pulled. The OP had a weight clause with her master about not gaining 15 llbs. The issue was whether it was fair to contain one's weight under that threshold. In my case, 15 llbs is a non issue. At most I worry about gaining to 2-5 llbs. So, I could not personally relate to the OP. It pretty much excludes me from giving her good advice or having any empathy for her situation. There is a temptation to get prescriptive about what to do, but I've learned here not to do that, because no matter how well intentioned I might be, I come off as obnoxious. hell, I have weight issues and cannot relate.

MissMorrigan -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 8:05:28 AM)
Once they do, join the Army. You'd be officer material, SR. quote: ORIGINAL: SirRober The navy is kicking me out since I am overweight, and the progam that I had to goto everyday for 6 mos made me gain 20 lbs of muscle. and all of the measurements stayed the same.

MissMorrigan -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 8:29:44 AM)
We are a consumer nation. Everything is focused on 'fast this' and 'fast that'. So fast in fact that when you've swallowed it you can't quite believe you ate something, and once you've repeated the process a few dozen times you omit the 'S' from fast and it's 'fat this' and 'fat that'. I am a large lady. I am not going to make excuses. I have too many vices and do too little exercise. It's little wonder I'm a porker. All I see are excuses from a wide variety of people who try and validate their excess weight. Put blinkers on, you're entitled to do that, but what you're not entitled to do is put a strain on the already straining health system and wonder why it is you can't fit into that CAT scan chamber, or it costs more to treat you, generally speaking. On public transport your arses are creeping over into a second seat and it's uncomfortable for soemone sitting next to you b/c they have to perch on the outside edge (ever had a sharp edge up the cracker, it's not pleasant! I know all you masochists are going to be seeking out a fat lady to sit next to now on the bus, ain'tcha?). Just over a week ago I saw two other fatties on the bus heading into town, it was a thursday and from the way they were salivating I just knew they were headed into McD's the moment they got off the bus - I also knew it would have been their social security benefit payment day! And bugger me, they did get off outside McD's and headed straight in to chow down. They took up almost the entire backseat of the bus, and I overheard the lady saying she was pregnant. I really couldn't see any evidence of this, but how on earth can someone who clearly is morbidly obese raise a child to be healthy? So, what are the actual dangers during pregnancy? Run a search and ye shall be rewarded. Not only are there added dangers to the unborn baby, but risk of serious complications are high and again, the burden is on the NHS, and any other healthcare provider, for the extra care involved. In essence, I think the primary concern in others when presented with someone that is vastly overweight (we aren't talking a few extra pounds, but those considered clinically/morbidly obese) is that they are killing themselves with overkindness... but is it kindness? Of course not. Ten years ago I was trim, walked on average at least ten miles per day in the course of my job (working six days per week) and even then went to the gym. When I had to retire my position I opted for a desk job... that meant lesser wages and I could not afford the £775 per annum gym fees. The role was sedentary, with no exercise and no change in eating habits the weight soon piled on. It alters neurological mechanisms so that recognition of a problem is somewhat distorted. My family's concern is that I will leave them prematurely and they're right, I likely will hence the reason I have already cut back considerably and engage in more exercise.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 8:35:10 AM)
Here is a good question: Many people that are fat, use an excuse that it is a medical condition, when in fact it is not. Doesn't this anger those that actually have medical conditions that make it more difficult to control their weight? I believe what Popeye is getting at, is that many people with weight problems want to point to a valid reason as to why they are overweight, when sometimes it is a lie or an excuse to just not work harder. I am 6'0", with a medium frame, and at one point I was 235 pounds. I had a non-active job at the time, and back injury that I used as an excuse to not do what I needed to do. I found that I could overcome those hurdles, by exerting more willpower than the obstacle I faced. Does anyone believe that maybe so many using invalid excuses, makes those that have a valid excuse be doubted? quote: ORIGINAL: Nats quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Nat, I know, there's always a heavy emphasis on "medical reasons". That's the "out", "it's not my fault" it's always some sort of "medical problem." Popeye, are you deliberately being obtuse? Taking the piss? Do you honestly believe that there are no valid medical reasons for being overweight, and that in all cases it is the fault of the person? Let me guess, you also believe that schizophrenia, depression, and other forms of mental illness couldn't possibly be due to chemical imbalances. quote: I guess there's been an absolute explosion of thyroid problems in the last 30-50 years. How come we never had all these problems in the 1950's and 60's? Is it an epidemic? I have no idea what the reasons may be. I'd sure like to know though. I'd also love to know why there has been a huge increase in those with asthma over the years. [sarcasm]Perhaps those that have a form of exertion asthma should quit using medication and start doing more strenuous workouts to get their bodies in better shape. [/sarcasm] quote: People should stop complaining and get up off their ample arses open the door and go for a walk! "But my hips hurt if I walk more than 500 feet." "I get out of breath when I walk." "But it's raining!" "But...." "But,..." "But,..." Now I know you're being obtuse. That or you really didn't bother reading what I wrote. I have mini gym at home with quite a few pieces of equipment. I worked out for a couple of hours a day, ate salads, and still gained weight due to my thyroid. Even at the height of my weight gain, I'd bet my left tit that if you and I were to go biking, hiking, running etc., that you couldn't have kept up with me, wouldn't have lasted as long as me, and were winded far before I was... and the next day, it wouldn't have been me that was sore from a strenuous workout.

MissMorrigan -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 8:45:16 AM)
Which is exactly what i have said in my post. It's a form of validation, "My thyroid isn't functioning properly", "My metabolism is slow", yet in reality, a larger person's metabolism is FASTER b/c it has to work HARDER.. it takes greater effort even to breathe. quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf Here is a good question: Many people that are fat, use an excuse that it is a medical condition, when in fact it is not. Doesn't this anger those that actually have medical conditions that make it more difficult to control their weight? I believe what Popeye is getting at, is that many people with weight problems want to point to a valid reason as to why they are overweight, when sometimes it is a lie or an excuse to just not work harder.

Kalista07 -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 8:48:42 AM)
Does anyone believe that maybe so many using invalid excuses, makes those that have a valid excuse be doubted? Orion, honestly? Hell yeah it does!! i can not tell You how many times i've sat with a woman who's eating nothing but crap, while i'm mostly eating nothing and she's whining about her weight...And then has the odassedy (sp) to say something dumbass and trite to me like (maybe they'll just tell me it's my thyroid, that's why i keep gaining weight!) or my favorite one yet, "Well...at least You have a medical reason." Because i seriously want to inflict some kind of damage on them at that point. Primarily, because what they are doing is totally invalidating me and my experience as well as my efforts. Secondly because they don't fucking get it...They don't get the fact that just because i have a true, real, and valid medical condition there's no stamp on my forehead or my ass that says, "Looker do not pass judgement! This one is not a lazy guttoness sloth, this one has an actual medical condition." grrrrr...But, since i need to get on the road before He kills me and this all becomes a non issue i shall end this here.

Taintedblood -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 8:51:35 AM)
this is clearly a problem for you at the end of the day who gives a f*ck if it's a medical condition or not?

MissMorrigan -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 8:57:17 AM)
There are exceptions, perhaps you are one of those exceptions, but you cannot surely fail to see that the majority of obesity is caused by storing too many calories and not expending enough to create a weight loss. The more a person weighs, the less inclined they are to exercise, why? It's a lot of effort and peopel that are obese tire quickly. quote: ORIGINAL: Nats Popeye, are you deliberately being obtuse? Taking the piss? Do you honestly believe that there are no valid medical reasons for being overweight, and that in all cases it is the fault of the person? Let me guess, you also believe that schizophrenia, depression, and other forms of mental illness couldn't possibly be due to chemical imbalances. That may well be sarcasm, however, rising asthma levels are attributed to a number of factors, one of which is an increase in OBESITY. quote: ORIGINAL: Nats I have no idea what the reasons may be. I'd sure like to know though. I'd also love to know why there has been a huge increase in those with asthma over the years. [sarcasm]Perhaps those that have a form of exertion asthma should quit using medication and start doing more strenuous workouts to get their bodies in better shape. [/sarcasm] I have no doubt, the agony aunt columnist Claire Rayner is/was a very learge lady and yet swam over 30 lengths of a large pool every morning. I am also very large, I doubt I could do two without stopping. Some people are able to achieve more than others and it's according to their level of stamina, body habitat and level of fitness. I am not able to walk any great distance b/c I have arthritis in my left heel... the cause of that is arthritis. Originally it was a partially snapped achilles, but once that was dealt with I struggled with physio and then used that as an excuse not to exercise. I regret it. Too many people make excuses for their obesity. If there's a genuine medical condition causing the excess weight then a person has no need to be overly-sensitive. quote: ORIGINAL: Nats Now I know you're being obtuse. That or you really didn't bother reading what I wrote. I have mini gym at home with quite a few pieces of equipment. I worked out for a couple of hours a day, ate salads, and still gained weight due to my thyroid. Even at the height of my weight gain, I'd bet my left tit that if you and I were to go biking, hiking, running etc., that you couldn't have kept up with me, wouldn't have lasted as long as me, and were winded far before I was... and the next day, it wouldn't have been me that was sore from a strenuous workout.

SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 8:59:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Taintedblood If someone wants to lose weight make sure you do it for you not society, not a friend, not a lover etc – ultimately if it isn’t for you –you wont be happy. I am going to lose my weight for me and no-one else, I don’t like my weight but I like what I see in the mirror, I’m never going to be a uk size 8 nor do I want to be, I’ve noticed that when I lose weight I don’t lose much off my boobs so even if I wanted to be I couldn’t. (this is only my musings, my rambling thoughts my opinions – when I say you it isn’t directed at anyone at all and hope I don’t offend anyone) Well, you certainly didn't offend me. In fact, you made some excellent points and did so in an articulate manner. Brava!

sweetNsmartBBW -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 9:11:21 AM)
Orion, You asked: "Here is a good question: Many people that are fat, use an excuse that it is a medical condition, when in fact it is not. Doesn't this anger those that actually have medical conditions that make it more difficult to control their weight?" My question is- since when does a person need an excuse to be overweight? Last I was aware, while some folks found it distasteful- it was not illegal, immoral, or otherwise prohibited. Since You had such issues being a "fat ass", I'm very glad You lost the weight so that now You are healthier and can feel better about the new and improved You. However, what exactly do You get out of being "blunt" and peaching about gluttony? You remind me a bit of a religious convert- the over zealous born again types that have to open the eyes of all those poor souls that have not yet seen the light. Why does it matter to You if I'm fat? Or any of the posters here is fat? Why is it okay to be disrepectful of them? Yes, opions are like backsides- we all have them. Just not sure why people even feel they need to justify the reason they are overweight to anyone else- and why anyone else believes it's any of their business... unless, of course, they happen to have some vested interest in that individuals life.

Aubre -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 9:16:50 AM)
I would be nice if some of the non-fat folks would take the time, when you are going to and fro in your day, and you see a fat person coming your way that you don't know - give them a smile. Or at least look at them the same way you look at other people. If you have a fat friend. let them know that you care. How can people who are large be treated as if they were invisible?

Nats -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 9:52:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan There are exceptions, perhaps you are one of those exceptions, but you cannot surely fail to see that the majority of obesity is caused by storing too many calories and not expending enough to create a weight loss. The more a person weighs, the less inclined they are to exercise, why? It's a lot of effort and peopel that are obese tire quickly. Agreed. I'm not sure why you would think I fail to see that because in my original post to Popeye, it was the exceptions to which I was addressing, and that there are those who have medical reasons that make weight gain beyond their control (that the medical reason is more of a defining factor in their weight gain than personal behaviours, and eating and excercise habits). quote: That may well be sarcasm, however, rising asthma levels are attributed to a number of factors, one of which is an increase in OBESITY. And for many that has absolutely nothing to do with it. quote: If there's a genuine medical condition causing the excess weight then a person has no need to be overly-sensitive. Errr, okay. Popeye made the assertion that those who have medical reasons (ie thyroid) are just like alcoholics- that if the person stopped the negative behaviour of overindulging and not exercising enough, then they would be of normal weight. That even if there were medical reasons, it was still due to their own inability to control themselves. My point was that personal eating habits and exercise is not always a factor, and that the chemical/medical reasons can nullify them no matter what the person does... in other words, that the exceptions do exist.

SingleRarity -> RE: Why are we obsessed with weight? (2/8/2008 9:58:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aubre I would be nice if some of the non-fat folks would take the time, when you are going to and fro in your day, and you see a fat person coming your way that you don't know - give them a smile. Or at least look at them the same way you look at other people. If you have a fat friend. let them know that you care. How can people who are large be treated as if they were invisible? Aubre, why not just smile at everyone? Kalli, I'm sorry you've been a bit bashed on this post, but you had to know you what you were getting into. To answer your original question, the nation is obbsessed with weight because the media pushes it. Either People is running a cover on Kiera Knightly's anorexia, or Dateline is covering CDC findings on obesity. It's everywhere, all the time. You're in a crappy situation with you health and for that I'm sorry. I hope your doctor is able to treat you properly and you are able to achieve a healthy weight for your body type. To other posters: By the way, just as all overweight people aren't shoving cake down their throats, not all models and actors are anorexic. Having worked as a stylist in LA I can honestly say, that the tabs, photoshop celebs to make them look sick, so that they can get a story out of it. I've seen Salma Hayek up close, and she looks quite healthy as does Mischa Barton, and others. I'll give on Nicole Richie though, a few years ago she looked like a swizzle stick.

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