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I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/8/2005 10:19:21 AM

sanita

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I am not sure whether to post this here, or in the Alternative LIfestyles in the News section. But since this is an article relating to all lifestyles, and is about Katrina and religion, i'll put it here. This man actually names the cities that he thinks deserve purging.

after the link, i am pasting the email i sent to the woman who reported the story.

y'know, this kind of attitude that one way of doing things is the right way, and all others are not "real" or "right" or "true" is rampant in many more facets of society than just religion. it all kind of depends on the flag in the hand of the person waving it to proclaim their "betterdom"

It is human nature, but to do it to another's detriment, when one knows they are causing harm? Shame. It is difficult to try not to judge the judgemental, is it not? I am doing it myself.

p:Woodland Hill Baptist Church Sign

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Ms. Sheridan,

This sign disturbs me so very much, and I felt I had to at least put in my two cents. I will be posting this story and this email on an international message board.

Pastor Bennett is not showing any compassion. He and his church may be giving out aid and "helping" evacuees, but this help is not from a Christian, loving, human kindness and compassion source, it is from a self-righteous and holier-than-thou place. This man, and the people supporting him are saying "We will help you, because it is the RIGHT thing to do, but you deserved this, so we won't offer you solace."

They are trying to buy their way into absolution by giving what amounts to a cold embrace with a whispered "I told you so," into the ear of innocent victims of a terrible act of nature. And even if it is considered an "Act of God," does this man think that in the times of Noah, he would have been the one chosen to build the Ark? Shame on him.

Thank you,
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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/8/2005 11:01:48 AM

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Someone should post a sign across the street "Judge not, lest you be judged as harshly"

Or maybe "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" ...

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/8/2005 11:14:40 AM

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That's pretty moderate, in right wing (un)christian standards.
If you want to cry, check
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/
http://www.godhatesfags.com/

... They have it all flavours. They rejoice at the death of Swedes, of homosexuals, everything.

If you don't want to see the most horrible consequences of religions, check how people manage to keep the sense of humour in this terrible situation : http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/ .

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/8/2005 11:33:29 AM

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We have churches like that in my town, too. Obviously, they are expounding a popular view, otherwise they would not be so well attended. Yes, it is shameful.

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/8/2005 11:38:06 AM

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Worst obversation I notice is that both the Church in the orginal post and the one who sponsers the page GodHate'sAmerica.com are of the same variety/denomiation. (pardon the lack of my spell check here)

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/8/2005 11:49:36 AM

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We have churches like that in my town, too. Obviously, they are expounding a popular view, otherwise they would not be so well attended. Yes, it is shameful.

Bob

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/8/2005 11:58:57 AM

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Let's not forget all the parishioners who approve of the sign.

Only in America.

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/8/2005 1:48:13 PM

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After news leaked last year about Dark Odyssey being held in a resort and having a mild protest over it including one women who stated she would never let her child stay on one of the beds again...not much surprises me about people's crazy perspectives anymore.

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/9/2005 4:50:42 AM

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Scarey makes you wonder if Bin Laden and the crackpot of GodHatesAmerica have lunch together?

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/9/2005 5:14:39 AM

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Oh Geeeez Kev, somehow I got the visiual of Bin Laden pull start and all holding a box of Vipers in the Fellowship Coffee Hour.

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/9/2005 5:21:41 AM

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Scarey makes you wonder if Bin Laden and the crackpot of GodHatesAmerica have lunch together?

Only once a week, and it's a business lunch. They share ideas to increase the global market of Religious Beliefs TM. They tend to focus mainly on the Purity of their product, and create a rivalry between their respective customers, so that each product will reach more potential customers in their respective areas of influence...

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/9/2005 8:23:30 PM

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quote:

Scarey makes you wonder if Bin Laden and the crackpot of GodHatesAmerica have lunch together?

They really should, shouldn't they? Same extremist self righteousness that leaves no room for anyone else (in my view). M

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/10/2005 9:41:54 AM

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One thign I will say.

I think the sign is horrid.

I am proud of my country for the fact that it can be displayed.

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/10/2005 11:14:04 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

One thign I will say.

I think the sign is horrid.

I am proud of my country for the fact that it can be displayed.

very good point.

i think it was Voltaire that said "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it." That may be a paraphrase.

this church does have a right to put whatever they would like on their sign. Shame on them for putting that, though.

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/10/2005 12:50:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: sanita
this church does have a right to put whatever they would like on their sign. Shame on them for putting that, though. [/font] [/color]

I just put it down to "truth in advertising." Let's me know where I won't go.... Kinda like a biohazard symbol for the soul.

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/10/2005 1:45:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sanita
i think it was Voltaire that said "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it." That may be a paraphrase.

Quite close. My translation : " I do not agree with what you say but I will fight to the end so that you may say it. "
He wrote :
"Je ne suis pas d'accord avec ce que vous dites mais je me battrai jusqu'au bout pour que vous puissiez le dire."

Anyway, are all american baptist churches related somehow ? Are there several groups of baptist churches ? I know the international baptist church is a group of hundreds of churches, is it related to this one ? If a church does something horrible like this, isn't the responsibility shared by the other baptist churches ?

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/10/2005 2:22:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: frenchpet

Anyway, are all american baptist churches related somehow ? Are there several groups of baptist churches ? I know the international baptist church is a group of hundreds of churches, is it related to this one ? If a church does somrthing horrible like this, isn't the responsibility shared by the other baptist churches ?

They are members of loosely federated groups that really don't have much authority over the individual preacher.

This is one of the big problems. These churches are actually in competition with each other, often with another Baptist church just down the block. This sets up a situation where some preacher try to be literally "holier than thou." Given that fear and hate sell better than love, it's not surprising that this sort of extreme stance gets taken.

It's like back in the McCarthy days of the 50's. Most people assume his enemy was the communists. The communists were just his tool. What he was really fighting against was more rational and open-minded conservatives who could be effectively brought into line by the old "soft on communisms" threat.

[McCarthy used for illustration here. It is left as an exercise for the reader to find current parallels. (Hint: notice the current epithet "Traitor!" being currently bandied about)]

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/10/2005 2:55:33 PM

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Thanks for this -scary- piece of information.

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[McCarthy used for illustration here. It is left as an exercise for the reader to find current parallels. (Hint: notice the current epithet "Traitor!" being currently bandied about)]

The first page when googling "traitor" is http://www.probush.com/traitor.htm . Which gives what I thought was an ironical definition of "traitor" : "Traitor: If you do not support our President's decisions you are a traitor."
But after browsing the probush.com website, I'm not sure anymore, are they serious or are they kidding... I'm afraid they could be as serious as the madmen of godhatesamerica.com .

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/10/2005 7:25:36 PM

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The idea of Voltaire with a musket in his hands, trudging through the mud in his elevator-shoes, is pretty amusing to me.

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ORIGINAL: frenchpet

Quite close. My translation : " I do not agree with what you say but I will fight to the end so that you may say it. "
He wrote :
"Je ne suis pas d'accord avec ce que vous dites mais je me battrai jusqu'au bout pour que vous puissiez le dire."

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RE: I am ashamed that this Church is in my city. - 9/10/2005 7:55:44 PM

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I am a Canadian and No I do not belief in a lot of Bush's politics. Although it's funny when he says Nuculear.

However I was reading the local paper today and resident from Niagara went with his mother and brother to New Orleans as a vacation at the time Katrina was just a tropical storm.
After the hurricane came through (which he admitted he slept through) Him, his brother and mother went to the local area to help out. His mother is a registered nurse. He was treated different for 2 reasons...he was white, and his mother was helping. He felt guilty for having special treatment.
These people were put into a building that had no running water AT ALL, everywhere was a bathroom.
he stated he didn't want to make this an issue of black vs. being white but it was. A lot of people looked at him in a threatening way, one guy even licked his lips.
I feel the way these people were treated were disgusting, the cops were arresting people for stealing tvs at a walmart which was under water, mean while there's a guy out in the open raping a child?
I'm not saying Americans are bad, but I'm saying someone should have gone there and rescued those people right away, they were ordered to evacuate yet there were no cars, no taxis the young man said they couldn't even find a rental car. So how were they supposed to leave again?
This is one of the most disorganized rescue missions I think I've ever seen. I may be young but what's that quote in boy scouts oh ya, "always be prepared."
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