LadyEllen
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In extremis, the issue with Islam is that it requires the highest and foremost place in the world - indeed this seems to be the problem with democracy in Islamic societies, that the voice of the people is held supreme in democracy but Islam requires the voice of the people to be secondary. Islam requires that its adherents accord supremity to Islam alone. This would be fine, except that its adherents are also required to spread Islam and apply its ideas exclusively - Islam after all is the direct word of God so there can be no questioning of these things given its supposed origin, by either adherents or those to be made into adherents.
In extremis, this would suggest to those of us who are not adherents that we have only two choices - to submit and become adherents or to destroy those who would convert us. For there is no debate to be had and no accomodation to be reached where Islam is pursued as it must be according to its fundamental ideas.
What we must avoid, on both sides, are in extremis ideologies. Because their natural conclusions are not pretty, but more importantly not helpful to either side. More helpful is to foster moderation in both sides within the context of a single nation - not to isolate and exclude through our broken model of multi-culturalism nor indeed to allow voluntary isolation and exclusion through the same mechanism. Isolation and exclusion provides for the growth of extremism on both sides.
My neighbourhood is where the Mosque is; less than a minute's walk from me. The population here is something like (a guess) 70% Muslim, with the remainder made up of every variety of broken human being from the indigenous population and the Irish immigrant population, plus some everyday people like me. We dont have any trouble here from Muslim extremism, nor from its counterpart white supremacy extremism. I would venture to say that because we are all living together, we all come into contact with one another so often that there are no monsters in our imaginations. Its not as if we're all best pals, but we get along.
If one contrasts this with some areas of some cities which are exclusively Muslim, the difference is easy to see. These have become no go areas for anyone other than Muslims, and the same can be said in reverse for some all white areas. This is the unacceptable result of our model of multi-culturalism; yes, there is the case that "birds of a feather" and so on, but it is unacceptable because such isolation and exclusion is what allows for monsters to grow, extremism to develop and perpetuate and its consequences to come to fruition - in terrorism on the part of both sides.
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