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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/8/2008 10:39:15 AM   
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Libby was the Head of the American Red Cross when she tried to run last time.

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/8/2008 11:06:24 AM   
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Dear Ken,

To be honest, I don't know enough about Mrs. Dole to form an opinion of her personally. But it is a hard and fast rule of mine to not vote for women. From what I have seen the vast majority of women in politics are liberal N.O.W. graduates who would save me from the drudgery of being a housewife and the opression of my husband. (I guess they think I'm too opressed to realize that I am being opressed.) They promote abortion, yet they want the village to raise my children. Since women entered politics in this country, housewives are considered no more productive than welfare recipients.  In fact, you can't even use the word housewife anymore, you have to use the PC term "Stay-at-home-mom" and that is only until the children reach school age. I was a wife long before I was a mother - a novel concept these days. But they insist on telling me that I can be so much more than that and do something really important. As if seeing to the needs of my family is not important.

I, like Ann Coulter, would gladly give up my right to vote if it would keep feminists and their castrated lapdogs from control. Whatever happend to "It is un lady-like to discuss politics in polite company?" My guess is that we don't have anything resmbling polite company these days.

But, my misogyny aside, a woman in the white house is a bad idea. A woman entering into diplomatic negotiations with Muslim leaders, would be like a black man going for a friendly chat with the KKK.

~A


I guess this is why Hillary got so much flack from conservatives,when she said she wouldn`t be baking cookies at the white house.

I, like Ann Coulter, would gladly give up my right to vote if it would keep feminists and their castrated lapdogs from control.

One can only dream....

"Whatever happend to "It is un lady-like to discuss politics in polite company?" My guess is that we don't have anything resmbling polite company these days."

Oh, those were "the days" without child labor laws and lynching black men was all the rage.

You could do almost anything to black people back then,legally.But that didn`t stop people from doing the illegal things either.

Women and UMs were property,and booze was the "crack" of it`s day.

Abuse and neglect went un-checked,because of the "man of the house" BS.Women were sent back home to their deaths by police b/c the laws were set up by men,for men,"back then"

Back alley abortion and death by it`s complications was common and most rapes went un-reported.

If you were elderly and with out money/family/friends,you starved and died homeless in the gutter.

If you were retarded or unable to care for yourself,you were fucked.Unless you were "lucky" enough to be tossed into an insane asylum.

"Back then",they were real "fun" places....

Anyone who wound up this way,was fucked.

Yeah,the "good-ol days"

Is that what you want to go back to?

What happened to those "good old days"?We got rid of them.Sorry.



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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/8/2008 11:08:55 AM   
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Women and UMs were property,and booze was the "crack" of it`s day.


If there is a '50's houshold candidate out there, you can better believe I am voting for the sum-bitch!!!

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/8/2008 11:29:42 AM   
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That is the first time I've heard Neo-Cons and moderate used in the same sentence.  It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.  The "Neo-Cons" are the farthest from moderate that you can get.  I would agree with the first two legs of your theory, but the third is simply a group of very rich, very powerful people that use mass distraction to cover up the fact that they are raping the country of its resources. 



Neo-conservatives are not "right wing." They are moderate authoritarians who lean to the right.

Just because the neo-cons are war hungry doesn't make them right wing. You can be far-left and be a war monger as well. Communists are likely to support war and revolution just as likely. Hitler and Stalin were complete opposites as far as left and right go. But they were both extremely authoritarian. Just because you are left-wing doesnt mean you support liberty. Just because you are right wing doesnt mean you are against liberty. Most hard-core conservatives want LESS government in their lives.

The difference between right and left is economic (level of government that controls the means of production). The difference between libertarian and authoritarian is social (level of government in private lives). So there is really two different scales here.

That's why when you go up to a conservative and try to say to them that George W. Bush is a conservative... they will laugh in your face. Bush is not a conservative.

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/8/2008 11:57:21 AM   
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Went to the barber for a haircut today and heard some interesting talk about Bush and the coming election.

The subject was how many and who will GWB pardon before he leaves office? I'm assuming he'll wait until after the November election, christmas eve was the day his father chose, but I'm sure most of us expect that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfpwitz and who knows who else in Haliburton, KBR, DoJ, DoD and the intelligence services will be getting the presidential get out of jail free card however it is thought that GWB cannot pardon himself.. So should McCain, or who ever the GOP nominee is, publicly promise not to pardon GWB? Is the issue one that should be brought up going forward? How would this issue affect your voting decision?

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/8/2008 12:03:22 PM   
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Candidates shouldn't have "views" on immigration.
All of our laws should be enforced uniformly.
And enforcing our laws shouldn't be "optional."
After all what makes America great is that we are a country of laws.
Even Hillary Clinton has mentioned enforcing our borders before in speeches.
We already have "work programs" for foreigners to come here and work.
Why don't candidates have "views" on rape and bank robbery too?

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/8/2008 12:06:35 PM   
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Went to the barber for a haircut today and heard some interesting talk about Bush and the coming election.

The subject was how many and who will GWB pardon before he leaves office? I'm assuming he'll wait until after the November election, christmas eve was the day his father chose, but I'm sure most of us expect that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfpwitz and who knows who else in Haliburton, KBR, DoJ, DoD and the intelligence services will be getting the presidential get out of jail free card however it is thought that GWB cannot pardon himself.. So should McCain, or who ever the GOP nominee is, publicly promise not to pardon GWB? Is the issue one that should be brought up going forward? How would this issue affect your voting decision?


DomKen, I don't think you can be "pardoned" unless you've been convicted of something in a court of law.
You're presumed innocent until proven guilty so how would you "pardon" an innocent person?

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/8/2008 12:07:47 PM   
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I dont that will even be an issue. The Democrats have given the Bush admin a pass. There has been no investigation, no impeachment talk, no nothing in the Democratic party concerning the Bush administration. In fact Pelosi has said on many occasions that such plans to impeach or investigate are "off the table."

Im not sure what their motive is with that but it doesnt look like Bush or anyone in his administration is going to be faced with any kind of investigation. And because Democrats killed the independent council statue after the Monica mess, there is no one to look into it.

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/8/2008 12:08:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Went to the barber for a haircut today and heard some interesting talk about Bush and the coming election.

The subject was how many and who will GWB pardon before he leaves office? I'm assuming he'll wait until after the November election, christmas eve was the day his father chose, but I'm sure most of us expect that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfpwitz and who knows who else in Haliburton, KBR, DoJ, DoD and the intelligence services will be getting the presidential get out of jail free card however it is thought that GWB cannot pardon himself.. So should McCain, or who ever the GOP nominee is, publicly promise not to pardon GWB? Is the issue one that should be brought up going forward? How would this issue affect your voting decision?


DomKen, I don't think you can be "pardoned" unless you've been convicted of something in a court of law.
You're presumed innocent until proven guilty so how would you "pardon" an innocent person?


Yes you can, see Jerry Ford pardoning Richard Nixon back to the very first day of his presidency.

Thats how them folk will do ya.

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/8/2008 12:41:45 PM   
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Went to the barber for a haircut today and heard some interesting talk about Bush and the coming election.

The subject was how many and who will GWB pardon before he leaves office? I'm assuming he'll wait until after the November election, christmas eve was the day his father chose, but I'm sure most of us expect that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfpwitz and who knows who else in Haliburton, KBR, DoJ, DoD and the intelligence services will be getting the presidential get out of jail free card however it is thought that GWB cannot pardon himself.. So should McCain, or who ever the GOP nominee is, publicly promise not to pardon GWB? Is the issue one that should be brought up going forward? How would this issue affect your voting decision?


DomKen, I don't think you can be "pardoned" unless you've been convicted of something in a court of law.
You're presumed innocent until proven guilty so how would you "pardon" an innocent person?

Bush I pardoned Cap Weinberger on christmas eve 1992 for crimes he was scheduled to go on trial for on 1/5/93. This stopped the Iran Contra investigation and protected Bush I from the grand jury and likely indictment. I would call it the most outrageous pardon

I'm not discussing congressional investigations or impeachment. I'm talking about pardons for criminal charges not yet brought. I'm talking about whether McCain will pardon GWB so he will have safe haven in the US against an international arrest warrant if the federal prosecutors can't make the case, which I bet they can.

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/8/2008 8:18:30 PM   
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I don`t think the founding fathers anticipated that the executive or his VP would be doing criminal acts and using the DOJ and presidential pardons to cover them up.

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/8/2008 10:16:28 PM   
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You are an extremist and like telling stories of boogey men, don't ya?



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Dear Ken,

To be honest, I don't know enough about Mrs. Dole to form an opinion of her personally. But it is a hard and fast rule of mine to not vote for women. From what I have seen the vast majority of women in politics are liberal N.O.W. graduates who would save me from the drudgery of being a housewife and the opression of my husband. (I guess they think I'm too opressed to realize that I am being opressed.) They promote abortion, yet they want the village to raise my children. Since women entered politics in this country, housewives are considered no more productive than welfare recipients.  In fact, you can't even use the word housewife anymore, you have to use the PC term "Stay-at-home-mom" and that is only until the children reach school age. I was a wife long before I was a mother - a novel concept these days. But they insist on telling me that I can be so much more than that and do something really important. As if seeing to the needs of my family is not important.

I, like Ann Coulter, would gladly give up my right to vote if it would keep feminists and their castrated lapdogs from control. Whatever happend to "It is un lady-like to discuss politics in polite company?" My guess is that we don't have anything resmbling polite company these days.

But, my misogyny aside, a woman in the white house is a bad idea. A woman entering into diplomatic negotiations with Muslim leaders, would be like a black man going for a friendly chat with the KKK.

~A


I guess this is why Hillary got so much flack from conservatives,when she said she wouldn`t be baking cookies at the white house.

I, like Ann Coulter, would gladly give up my right to vote if it would keep feminists and their castrated lapdogs from control.

One can only dream....

"Whatever happend to "It is un lady-like to discuss politics in polite company?" My guess is that we don't have anything resmbling polite company these days."

Oh, those were "the days" without child labor laws and lynching black men was all the rage.

You could do almost anything to black people back then,legally.But that didn`t stop people from doing the illegal things either.

Women and UMs were property,and booze was the "crack" of it`s day.

Abuse and neglect went un-checked,because of the "man of the house" BS.Women were sent back home to their deaths by police b/c the laws were set up by men,for men,"back then"

Back alley abortion and death by it`s complications was common and most rapes went un-reported.

If you were elderly and with out money/family/friends,you starved and died homeless in the gutter.

If you were retarded or unable to care for yourself,you were fucked.Unless you were "lucky" enough to be tossed into an insane asylum.

"Back then",they were real "fun" places....

Anyone who wound up this way,was fucked.

Yeah,the "good-ol days"

Is that what you want to go back to?

What happened to those "good old days"?We got rid of them.Sorry.




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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/8/2008 10:59:41 PM   
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You are an extremist and like telling stories of boogey men, don't ya?

You long for the good`ol days too,eh?

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/9/2008 6:34:04 AM   
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There really is no such thing as the good old days. Just that I notice you have a tendency to use extreme examples when you do not like something, or you wish to demean someone.

In times past, a better sense of community and a closer knit family unit, are some of the things of the past I would like to see happen again. I would like to see individualism come back, instead of being rewarded for being medicore and being part of the sheep.


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You are an extremist and like telling stories of boogey men, don't ya?

You long for the good`ol days too,eh?


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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/9/2008 8:27:18 AM   
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There really is no such thing as the good old days. Just that I notice you have a tendency to use extreme examples when you do not like something, or you wish to demean someone.

In times past, a better sense of community and a closer knit family unit, are some of the things of the past I would like to see happen again. I would like to see individualism come back, instead of being rewarded for being medicore and being part of the sheep.


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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

You are an extremist and like telling stories of boogey men, don't ya?

You long for the good`ol days too,eh?



There really is no such thing as the good old days.

That was my point exactly.There never were any good old days,ever.

Perhaps there might been a time when one group did better over another,or when one nation/state did better than others.

But  the naritive that there was some magic past time when woman were dainty and subserviant,and  "men were men" and acted with honor,is a myth.

Things were however,much worse for many people,in the "good`ol days".

The un-equal application of the law,laws the favored management over labor,Jim Crow laws and anti homosexual laws put quite a few people at risk and at the mercy of the powerful and connected.You could lose everything,and have no legal recourse.

We have much,much more freedom to be individuals now then in the past.
 
Inter-racial marriages and alternate relationships aren`t illegal anymore.Individuals can express themselves with much more freedom then in the past.

Laws against "red-lining" and discrimination are protecting people from abuse.Those are relatively new laws,and not part of the good`ol days.


"I would like to see individualism come back, instead of being rewarded for being medicore and being part of the sheep".
 
Exactly where has "individualism" gone?What does that mean?
 
If it means polluting my air up wind,or my water up-stream ,fuck your "individualism".
 
If it means smoking and polluting my(or my families`) personal air,fuck your individualism.

I would like to see individualism come back, instead of being rewarded for being medicore and being part of the sheep.

Who is being rewarded for being mediocre?

Are you?     I know I`m not.

I don`t know anyone personally who`s being  rewarded for being mediocre.

I don`t know of anyone(accept Bush administration officials),who gets  rewarded for being mediocre.

Though I`m sure one can find a few examples out of 300 million people,what you said was another myth.


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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/9/2008 10:35:02 AM   
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Would you like your blinders in standard black or rose color?

More laws do not create freedom, they create lines that cannot be crossed. The more lines, the less space to move around in.

Individualism would be taking personal responsibility and stop expecting the government to do everything for you. Those that want to give government more power over their lives, are sheep.

So if your idea of individualism means more laws, more nanny state, and more socialism, then fuck your idea of individualism.

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/9/2008 11:49:41 AM   
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ok, so laws against Redlining don`t create freedom?

How about the freedom to buy a house were you want?

Or the freedom to get a loan/mortgage,insurance or credit if you are black/gay/jewish?

They had restrictive covenants in the good old days.I guess laws against those don`t help people be treated equal and as "individuals".

Recently I visited a library in a neat little town in Jersey.It has a long history and a lot of very pretty "ginger-bread" homes.

I was thumbing through a photo album of the town`s history when I saw a picture of the front gate(it was a gated community more than 70 years ago) that went over the side walk entrance.

The gate was ornate with an arch and village`s name  across the archway overhead .Grainy and yellow but a good shot.

To the right was a sign hanging on the archway saying"

"No Peddlers,No Jews"

Yup,The good old days...there were so fewer laws back then.It was a panacea.

Getting hung up on the number and amount of laws is childish.A change in the law, is a new law but doesn`t necessarily add to the number of laws.


The anti-nanny state types will be the 1st to accept government hand outs when they are destitute.

This same bunch of whiners will be the biggest crybabies when the FTC lets Enron steal their life`s savings or when an insurance company kicks their sick and ill asses out on to the street.

Yeah,the FTC,a big bunch of government bureaucrats,protecting the solvency and integrity of Wall Street,investment firms and trading.Making sure things are on the up and up.Bunch of mediocre bastards!

The CDC,FDA,the FDIC,the GI bill of rights,NASA,FAA all these things ,let`s get rid of them .Let`s get back to when the heavy hand of goverment left you alone to be an let you land your own dammed air plane.

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/9/2008 12:03:34 PM   
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At Monday night's book party at Morton's Steakhouse celebrating Newt Gingrich's latest tome, "Real Change," several conservative leaders pondered whom Sen. John McCain -- were he to capture the Republican nomination -- should pick as vice president.

Although Gingrich said, "We need to shrug off McCain," he predicted that the Arizona senator would capture the Republican nomination.

http://www.examiner.com/blogs/Yeas_and_Nays/2008/2/5/Top-conservatives-wonder-Who-should-McCain-pick-as-VP


each-ooch! Ouch!!

lol

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RE: Are the republicans tearing apart?lol - 2/9/2008 3:31:32 PM   
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ok, so laws against Redlining don`t create freedom?

How about the freedom to buy a house were you want?

Or the freedom to get a loan/mortgage,insurance or credit if you are black/gay/jewish?

They had restrictive covenants in the good old days.I guess laws against those don`t help people be treated equal and as "individuals".

Recently I visited a library in a neat little town in Jersey.It has a long history and a lot of very pretty "ginger-bread" homes.

I was thumbing through a photo album of the town`s history when I saw a picture of the front gate(it was a gated community more than 70 years ago) that went over the side walk entrance.

The gate was ornate with an arch and village`s name  across the archway overhead .Grainy and yellow but a good shot.

To the right was a sign hanging on the archway saying"

"No Peddlers,No Jews"

Yup,The good old days...there were so fewer laws back then.It was a panacea.


You really have an obsession there, don't ya? I never mentioned specifically the anti-discrimination laws, you did. That white guilt is a heavy burden for you?

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Getting hung up on the number and amount of laws is childish.A change in the law, is a new law but doesn`t necessarily add to the number of laws.


Do you really want me to go back through so many of your posts, yet again, and show examples of childish? It is a general view in a political science discussion, but then you do not know much in the area of having a discussion, do you?

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The anti-nanny state types will be the 1st to accept government hand outs when they are destitute.


Well you show you are full of shit here. Rather than take your socialist hand outs, I worked 2 full time and 1 part time job, to keep my family off of welfare or food stamps. I know it disappoints you that some do not actually want a socialistic state.

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This same bunch of whiners will be the biggest crybabies when the FTC lets Enron steal their life`s savings or when an insurance company kicks their sick and ill asses out on to the street.


Shows you are full of shit again, as I also teach an ethics class for business and have helped develop ethics boards. Your Bogey men stories are so scary.

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Yeah,the FTC,a big bunch of government bureaucrats,protecting the solvency and integrity of Wall Street,investment firms and trading.Making sure things are on the up and up.Bunch of mediocre bastards!


Yep and it took laws to make them that way, glad you finally get what I was saying and that you agree.

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The CDC,FDA,the FDIC,the GI bill of rights,NASA,FAA all these things ,let`s get rid of them .Let`s get back to when the heavy hand of goverment left you alone to be an let you land your own dammed air plane.


Most of these would run more efficiently if 75% of the money used to fund them, was paid to a private agency and it was contracted out. You see when government gets completely involved, it tends to fuck things up. I notice you conveniently leave out the FCC, why is that?

Owner you are a socialist, and would love a socialist/communist environment. Just admit it.

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John McCain "nose plugs",lol.....ouch!

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/06/introducing-the-john-mccain-nose-plugs/


This is reminiscent of the "Purple Heart band-aids" that the douche bags were wearing at the National Republican Convention.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/30/gop.purple.hearts/

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Sept04/Berkowitz0904-2.htm

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