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Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 5:38:47 AM   
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I was talking to a friend yesterday.   She thought that the rick make to much money and that the poor get screwed.   I would agree that the poor get screwed but disagree that the rich make to much money.    So anyway, her concept was to set an income cap, She watned to set it at $100,000 limit gross.   But if it were set at $100K or $1 Million.   The concept she was expousing was that any income in excess of that would be taxed at the rate of 100%, thus sending it to the public coffers.   The source of the income being irrelivant and deductions not allowed for anything over the set point.  Although it would pay off the national debt pretty quickly that way, I personally think it is crazy?   What do you think?
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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 5:48:41 AM   
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We did something similar in the 70s in the UK. The result was that lots of the very people we needed to keep here to produce wealth, went elsewhere to places without such a system.

I agree that CEOs and so on get far too much - but there are two unfortunate factors at work; the first is that regardless of appearance most of them do perform their duties well. The second is that we have an international market for employment at that level, with all the accompanying competition for them that drives their rewards packages ever higher, and these people are very mobile.

Now many of those at the top, certainly in the UK, get there by way of a vile system of patronage having been born into the right family, but there is also the case of the entrepreneur who risks all to build a business. Whilst we can be rightly angry about the former enjoying a huge income purely because he/she came from a wealthy background, it is very difficult to justify penalising the entrepreneur who risked all to get a huge income, and again he/she can and will go elsewhere in the world if necessary, to derive the rewards of their effort and risk.





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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 5:53:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

She thought that the rick make to much money and that the poor get screwed.



Who are the Rick?

LOL Im kidding. A set income is one of the set policies of a Communist or Socialist thinking. A set income would help to eradicate the classes and destroy the heirarchy, causeing true equlibrium.

Ideal but not practical since we are human, we can not stand going a single day with out killing one another. Greed is one of the Primary instincts in humans. We validate and seperate our self from other based on what we have.

Also by limiting the income you limit how much one can spend and with big corperations controling prices, the ecnomy would bomb and every thing would turn to chaos. To keep that from happening you would first need to resolve the Corps and limit grow of indastries. Small business would lack the funds to opperate and the goverment would have to pick up the slack making every thing Government controled. (like the government doesn't already have us by the balls) In turn we would become Communistic or Socialistic.

Unfortunatly due to the Cold War America kept the Communist ideals at bay by telling lies and spreading fabracations to make it out to be worse than it actually is. Bringing into effects things like the "Black List".

While idealy good Communisum is flawed because we are greedy selfish bastards and always will be.

When and if man can learn to live in peace then we may find a perfect system.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 5:54:47 AM   
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Money is a powerful motivator. If you remove it, you can take away the desire to succeed. It sounds very naive and Utopian to  me. Will we all be equal then? Will it be a beautiful friendly world with more hugs and no hate?..pfffffffff

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 5:59:20 AM   
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No, income should not be capped. If you are successful then you should be able to fully maximise your earning potential.

By capping earnings you would stifle creativity, innovation and ambition. Why should I strive to build my business beyond the capped earnings level, regardless of whether its expansion would create jobs and income opportunities for others, if I'm not going to see a single penny/cent of any additional growth? Selfish, perhaps, but I believe in being rewarded for your efforts.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:02:09 AM   
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I agree, income caps are only good when you want people to leave your country.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:03:21 AM   
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Part of my friends logic is that we tax the rich at a greater percentage than the poor anyway so what the heck, why not 100%.    FOrgot to add that   sorry

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:07:00 AM   
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How old is your friend? seriously

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:10:04 AM   
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I have only found those that do not make much and/or are mediocre, suggest something like this. So how do you feel something like this is in line with the US Constitution? What if you own your own company?

Is this a serious question?

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:13:05 AM   
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people will lay down their hoes at 100k, is all.  Unless they are drunk and don't notice that they went over.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:19:44 AM   
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Or......... I could quit my job. Bill fucking Gates OWES ME!!!

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:21:26 AM   
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Jeff.   She is in her 60s and extremely poor and yes she does think that Bill Gates owes her.   She cites him as an example of evil because he makes to much money

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:22:28 AM   
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greetings kendckey,

personally, i would love it if income were capped after a few million. then again, i think making enough money that you can literally do whatever you want is enough money, dammit. the fact that there are so many people with that kind of money who don't do anything to help anyone else is extremely upsetting. on top of that, the fact that being a good businessman makes you a millionaire but being a good public serviceperson generally makes you live in a box is wrong, to me. the man that owns the restaurant chain i work for has several cars, travels wherever he wants, etc. money is literally NOT an object for him. he can go blow a million dollars at a casino and it won't matter. yet he pays his employees minimum wage and could care less that some of us are ill, trying to get through school, trying to take care of kids, etc. meanwhile, i would like to be a teacher (and by that i mean i could be many other things but being a teacher is my passion) - by the time i get out of school i will be living in a box due to debt and making beans. because i would rather teach future entrepreneurs than BE an entrepreneur, society rates me as somehow less. i personally think all the teachers and police officers should go get mbas and become ceos, until there's no one to teach a business class or be a bodyguard. then maybe there will be some appreciation for those who just "didn't work hard enough" or "didn't have enough ingenuity."

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:22:45 AM   
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instead of an income cap... why not make a flat rate tax ....ie 30%  with no loopholes  you make 100k you pay 30k in taxes. Since most of the rich pay the biggest part of the tax it should be only fair that the lower income wage earners pay the same. Then noone can complain that ...such and such gets a better deal.  and it would help the deficet and drive out people who don't want to work.

income classified by the irs (not all inclusive but my best guesstimates)
regular pay
investments
alimony
child support
WELFARE
retirement

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:26:32 AM   
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It could be argued that taxes pay for services. If one person pays $3000.00 a year and another pays 30,000.00, does the second person get better services? Will they come into your house to get your garbage? Will they get to cut to the head of the line at the DMV?

Jeff

I have always thought that  an elimination of income tax,being replaced by a national sales tax might work. The more you buy, the more you pay?

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:31:05 AM   
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It could be argued that taxes pay for services. If one person pays $3000.00 a year and another pays 30,000.00, does the second person get better services? Will they come into your house to get your garbage? Will they get to cut to the head of the line at the DMV?

Jeff

I have always thought that  an elimination of income tax,being replaced by a national sales tax might work. The more you buy, the more you pay?


I think that would be more fair than the current system.

I also do not believe there is any correlation between how much someone else makes, and how much I do. I sure as heck would not want my earning possibilities taken from due to a fallacious theory on how earning money works.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:31:19 AM   
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possiable but I was refering more to an equality of tax and not to include prefential treatment

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:34:44 AM   
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Damn right, Ron...I would put down my hoe and be on my way to a beach somewhere if anyone tries to cap my income.  I work damn hard for my few dollars and am already taxed unfairly.  I wish Illinois would eliminate the state income tax.

I'll take a bartender's job at some resort in Cabo.


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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 6:53:54 AM   
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I think wealth (not just income) should be capped, but at a very high level of wealth. $100,000 USD is too low and frankly ridiculous for that very reason. But if you start thinking of wealth above $50,000,000 USD you can start to see that such an amount is certainly more than any person has a fair right to. I mean, let's say you are twenty years old and have 50 million dollars in accumulated wealth. Unless you literally burn the money or otherwise behave irresponsibly with it, you would likely be hard pressed to actually spend it all in your lifetime. I realize that there are single purchase items valued at that price or higher, but there is a reasonableness factor I would appeal to here.

The movie is old, the numbers and percentages would have to be updated for the present time, but still I agree with the political trajectory of this dialogue from "Wall Street":

Bud: How much is enough, Gordon? When does it all end, huh? How many yatchs can you water-ski behind? How much is enough, huh?
Gekko: It's not a question of enough, pal. It's a Zero Sum game - somebody wins, somebody loses. Money itself isn't lost or made, it's simply, transferred - from one perception to another. Like magic. This painting here? I bought it ten years ago for sixty thousand dollars, I could sell it today for six hundred. The illusion has become real, and the more real it becomes, the more desperately they want it. Capitalism at it's finest.
Bud: How much is enough, Gordon?
Gekko: The richest one percent of this country owns half our country's wealth, five trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work, two thirds comes from inheritance, interest on interest accumulating to widows and idiot sons; And what I do, stock and real estate speculation. It's bullshit. You got ninety percent of the American public out there with little or no net worth. I create nothing. I own.

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40% of world's wealth owned by 1% of population
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2006/12/05/globalwealth.html

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On a related question, here's some info on Kevin Cahill's "Who Owns the World," the successor book to "Who Owns Britian?"

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The largest landowner on earth is revealed in Mainstream's new book Who Owns the World, published this week.

Queen Elizabeth 11, head of state of the United Kingdom and of 31 other states and territories, is the legal owner of about 6,600 million acres of land, one sixth of the earth's non ocean surface.

She is the only person on earth who owns whole countries, and who owns countries that are not her own domestic territory. This land ownership is separate from her role as head of state and is different from other monarchies where no such claim is made - Norway, Belgium, Denmark etc.

Value of her land holding. £17,600,000,000,000 (approx)

This makes her the richest individual on earth. However, there is no way to easily value her real estate. There is no current market in the land of entire countries. At a rough estimate of $5,000 an acre, and based on the sale of Alaska to the USA by the Tsar, and of :Louisiana to the USA by France, the Queen's land holding is worth a notional $33,000,000,000,000 (Thirty three trillion dollars or about £17,600,000, 000,000 trillion pounds) Her holding is based on the laws of the countries she owns and her land title is valid in all the countries she owns.. Her main holdings are Canada, the 2nd largest country on earth, with 2,467 million acres, Australia, the 7th largest country on earth with 1,900 million acres, the Papua New Guinea with114 million acres, New Zealand with 66 million acres and the UK with 60 million acres.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/10/367571.shtml
and the Wiki for this author:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Cahill_(author)

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 7:07:55 AM   
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We did something similar in the 70s in the UK. The result was that lots of the very people we needed to keep here to produce wealth, went elsewhere to places without such a system.



This was just Conservative propaganda. Germany, Holland, Denmark, Belgium, even France, out performed Britain in the 70s and all have lower high/low salary ratios. Even today, Britain's government (A Labour Government!!!!!!) still espouses this nonsense. In many western European countries, the highest salary is usually somewhere between seven to ten times greater than the lowest salary. In Britain the highest salaries are 30 times greater than the lowest salary/wage. Britain should be doing so much better if there was any truth in the need for higher high/low salary ratios for a economy to perform well.

Entrepeneurs make their own wealth so they wouldn't come under any system of being capped, the tax system is there to make sure they make an acceptable contribution to society. Here again, Britain thinks taxing the rich would make them leacve the country but the rich pay tax in western European countries and don't leave. Johnny Halliday was talking about leaving France for Switzerland because of tax, he decided to stay after a hostile reaction from fans and a call for his nationality to be revoked. Of course that couldn't happen but more French rich than just Johnny Halliday got the message that if they want to go into tax exile, as far as the French are concerned they've emigrated to a leper colony.

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