RE: Should Income be capped?

Collarspace Discussion Forums

Home Login Search

RE: Should Income be capped?

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Should Income be capped?

Page: << < prev 1 2 [3] 4 5 next > >>

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 10:42:27 AM

KenDckey

Posts: 4121
Joined: 5/31/2006
Status: offline

With Teeth of course. Otherwise it couldn't be controlled

(in reply to Jeffff)

Profile

Post #: 41

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 10:44:45 AM

Leatherist

Posts: 5149
Joined: 12/11/2007
Status: offline

What a ridiculously liberal idea.

Who would they have to blame for the social ills of the world if we made everyone equal? The party would disintegrate.

_____________________________

My shop is currently segueing into production mode.

I'm not taking custom orders.

(in reply to KenDckey)

Profile

Post #: 42

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 10:52:38 AM

KenDckey

Posts: 4121
Joined: 5/31/2006
Status: offline

They would blame the Republicans Leather. That wouldn't change

(in reply to Leatherist)

Profile

Post #: 43

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 11:32:30 AM

seeksfemslave

Posts: 4011
Joined: 6/16/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: hisannabelle
personally, i think you two should have to be teachers in low-income, inner-city schools before any judgment you make like that is actually taken seriously.

My guess is that most teachers in inner city schools soon give up trying and just do whats necessary to survive. Of those that keep trying a goodly proportion end up total wrecks.
Of course none of this will be publicly acknowledged
Alternatively if all really apply themselves the stats. on student results say they dont achieve much.

Harsh but IMO true.

(in reply to hisannabelle)

Profile

Post #: 44

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 11:43:30 AM

SubbieOnWheels

Posts: 590
Joined: 12/14/2007
Status: offline

The suggestion about paying teachers according to "results" begs the question:

How do you measure results? Standardized tests that penalize the "special needs" teacher who does a damn good job just to get the students to grasp one idea?

(Sorry, but I come from a family of teachers, including those who teach the special needs students)

>>edited to apologize for drifting away from the original topic<<

< Message edited by SubbieOnWheels -- 2/8/2008 11:46:30 AM >

_____________________________

Bethical
Beat me, strike me, take away my reindeer! I'll never tell! -- Walt Kelly, Pogo Possum
I yam what I yam - Popeye

http://www.myspace.com/bethical_wheels

(in reply to seeksfemslave)

Profile

Post #: 45

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 11:53:28 AM

CuriousLord

Posts: 3911
Joined: 4/3/2007
Status: offline

It's a good point. If standardized tests are to be used, they should probably give before-and-after sorts.. looking for improvement as opposed to end level.

(in reply to SubbieOnWheels)

Profile

Post #: 46

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 11:55:43 AM

OmegaG

Posts: 1474
Joined: 10/23/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: SubbieOnWheels

The suggestion about paying teachers according to "results" begs the question:

How do you measure results? Standardized tests that penalize the "special needs" teacher who does a damn good job just to get the students to grasp one idea?

(Sorry, but I come from a family of teachers, including those who teach the special needs students)

>>edited to apologize for drifting away from the original topic<<

I said merrits, not results. Merrits would include compensation for continuing education to stay up on current teaching methods, et al, merrits would include submitted publications, participation in research, creating new programs or teaching methods.

The bonus would be teachers who aren't just glorified babysitters.

These are how professors are evaluated, not by the number of kids that pass the classes.

And standardized tests exclude special ed students-- one reason why the school district we are in classifies a high percentage of special ed students, the more sub-standard kids they can opt out of testing, the better their scores look.

_____________________________

Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable. Sydney J. Harris

Sex without pain is like food without taste.
- de Sade

(in reply to SubbieOnWheels)

Profile

Post #: 47

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 12:19:42 PM

seeksfemslave

Posts: 4011
Joined: 6/16/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: SubbieOnWheels
The suggestion about paying teachers according to "results" begs the question:
How do you measure results? Standardized tests that penalize the "special needs" teacher who does a damn good job just to get the students to grasp one idea?

I assume you really were replying to me ?
I was simply defending my belief that teaching is a somewhat idealised profession.
There are plenty of non special needs students who couldnt care less about the point.
Thats part of my point lol

(in reply to SubbieOnWheels)

Profile

Post #: 48

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 12:22:22 PM

laurell3

Posts: 6577
Joined: 5/5/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I was talking to a friend yesterday. She thought that the rick make to much money and that the poor get screwed. I would agree that the poor get screwed but disagree that the rich make to much money. So anyway, her concept was to set an income cap, She watned to set it at $100,000 limit gross. But if it were set at $100K or $1 Million. The concept she was expousing was that any income in excess of that would be taxed at the rate of 100%, thus sending it to the public coffers. The source of the income being irrelivant and deductions not allowed for anything over the set point. Although it would pay off the national debt pretty quickly that way, I personally think it is crazy? What do you think?

LOL your friend doesn't have much concept of money does she? $100k ain't alot of money after taxes. Of course we should not as a society do something that encourages people not to make money. Sending excess money to the public coffers would both be an unconsitutional burden and taxation and would mean that we would not get anything at all for the coffers and no one in their right mind would keep working past that point. The idea is completely contrary to any economic sense.

_____________________________

I cannot be defined by moments in my life, but must be considered for by the entirety of my existence.

When you fail to consider that I am the best judge for what is right for me, all of your opinions become suspect to me.

(in reply to KenDckey)

Profile

Post #: 49

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 12:32:11 PM

lusciouslips19

Posts: 9792
Joined: 9/8/2007
Status: offline

quote:

I said merrits, not results. Merrits would include compensation for continuing education to stay up on current teaching methods, et al, merrits would include submitted publications, participation in research, creating new programs or teaching methods.

They already do that in chicago. getting paid more when you have a Master's degree. But my problem with this merit idea....

I teach at a vocational school where you are penalized as an Instructor if the students show up or drop. That makes me a babtsitter whether I want to be or not. These are grown ups. Also, them wanting me to push people through because they get more money in their coffers. But this attitude doesnt make people learn. Also, this merit thing called "no child left behind" makes teachers have to focus on teaching to the test and not to learning.

_____________________________

Original Pimpette,
Keeper of Original Home Flag and Fire of Mr. Lance Hughes
Charter member of Lance's Fag Hags,
Member of the Subbie Mafia
Princess of typos and it's my prerogative

(in reply to OmegaG)

Profile

Post #: 50

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 12:35:53 PM

SubbieOnWheels

Posts: 590
Joined: 12/14/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Also, this merit thing called "no child left behind" makes teachers have to focus on teaching to the test and not to learning.

Exactly. And taking the extra time to drill information into someone so they can spout it back on a test (and then forget it) takes time away from encouraging a brilliant mind to learn discipline and diligence in order to keep progressing and become a useful, productive (and, yes, tax-paying) member of society.

_____________________________

Bethical
Beat me, strike me, take away my reindeer! I'll never tell! -- Walt Kelly, Pogo Possum
I yam what I yam - Popeye

http://www.myspace.com/bethical_wheels

(in reply to lusciouslips19)

Profile

Post #: 51

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 12:40:41 PM

lusciouslips19

Posts: 9792
Joined: 9/8/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: SubbieOnWheels

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Also, this merit thing called "no child left behind" makes teachers have to focus on teaching to the test and not to learning.

Exactly. And taking the extra time to drill information into someone so they can spout it back on a test (and then forget it) takes time away from encouraging a brilliant mind to learn discipline and diligence in order to keep progressing and become a useful, productive (and, yes, tax-paying) member of society.

Exactly!!!!
When I was younger they encouraged us to think. Now the cashiers cant even make change without reading it on a screen.

_____________________________

Original Pimpette,
Keeper of Original Home Flag and Fire of Mr. Lance Hughes
Charter member of Lance's Fag Hags,
Member of the Subbie Mafia
Princess of typos and it's my prerogative

(in reply to SubbieOnWheels)

Profile

Post #: 52

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 12:48:33 PM

domiguy

Posts: 12952
Joined: 5/2/2006
Status: offline

quote:

Leatherist
What a ridiculously liberal idea.
Who would they have to blame for the social ills of the world if we made everyone equal? The party would disintegrate.

quote:

KenDckey
They would blame the Republicans Leather. That wouldn't change

It was just a matter of time till Ken took this to where he intended the thread to go from the start....To bash the Democrats. So sad and soooo predictable.

It is a shame that social ills exist. It is impossible to find a direct cause and effect to all of the problems that our country faces. It would be wonderful if there were no need for welfare progams and other types of assistance.

Ken, it's to bad that you hang around with such impoverished left wing idealogoists....I actually don't believe "your story." Why would this women want to spend time with you? I doubt that she would consider you to be a "friend." You really need to find a better "class' of individuals to surround yourself with.

Wouldn't it be grand if they could broadcast "Fox and Friends" 24 hrs a day?

I don't share in your idealogy or tactics. I have plenty of friends and acquaintances that would consider themselves to be Republicans. The majority of these people see the world for what it is...They don't always blame others for their failings and realize that there is much to be accomplished before we can view all Americans as being "equals."

There is a huge problem with the fiscal responsibility of our government. To throw money blindly at every problem will not begin to solve the underlying problem that allowed the problem to arise in the first place.

What I find objectional by so many is not there unwillingness to fund programs of support but their failure and total lack of concern and empathy to realize that first off problems do exist only seconded by their total disregard to take the steps necessary that would lead to a correction.

I actually feel sorry for you.

< Message edited by domiguy -- 2/8/2008 12:51:23 PM >

_____________________________

(in reply to laurell3)

Profile

Post #: 53

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 12:49:20 PM

Honsoku

Posts: 422
Joined: 6/26/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I was talking to a friend yesterday. She thought that the rick make to much money and that the poor get screwed. I would agree that the poor get screwed but disagree that the rich make to much money. So anyway, her concept was to set an income cap, She watned to set it at $100,000 limit gross. But if it were set at $100K or $1 Million. The concept she was expousing was that any income in excess of that would be taxed at the rate of 100%, thus sending it to the public coffers. The source of the income being irrelivant and deductions not allowed for anything over the set point. Although it would pay off the national debt pretty quickly that way, I personally think it is crazy? What do you think?

This idea would fail and fail dramatically. All that would happen is that people would find other means to pay/get compensation. The excess income would almost never get paid, as it serves little purpose. So what would likely happen is that the government would collect less in taxes than it does now, putting it into an even greater financial bind.

Instead of money, you would see a lot more company cars, houses, planes, and whores. This would push the social power structure even more into the hands of corporations

. The flow of wealth is one of those things that is nearly impossible to regulate. I do wonder if top tier talent is frequently overcompensated, that they are being paid in excess of the monetary benefit they bring due to a balloon effect, but this isn't the way to fix that.

< Message edited by Honsoku -- 2/8/2008 12:55:55 PM >

(in reply to KenDckey)

Profile

Post #: 54

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 12:53:49 PM

OmegaG

Posts: 1474
Joined: 10/23/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

quote:

I said merrits, not results. Merrits would include compensation for continuing education to stay up on current teaching methods, et al, merrits would include submitted publications, participation in research, creating new programs or teaching methods.

They already do that in chicago. getting paid more when you have a Master's degree. But my problem with this merit idea....

I teach at a vocational school where you are penalized as an Instructor if the students show up or drop. That makes me a babtsitter whether I want to be or not. These are grown ups. Also, them wanting me to push people through because they get more money in their coffers. But this attitude doesnt make people learn. Also, this merit thing called "no child left behind" makes teachers have to focus on teaching to the test and not to learning.

No child left behind is a catastrophe. Vocational schools are somewhat differnt as in my area at least there are some that are just attending so they may continue to get their welfare checks.

_____________________________

Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable. Sydney J. Harris

Sex without pain is like food without taste.
- de Sade

(in reply to lusciouslips19)

Profile

Post #: 55

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 12:55:57 PM

OmegaG

Posts: 1474
Joined: 10/23/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

quote:

ORIGINAL: SubbieOnWheels

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Also, this merit thing called "no child left behind" makes teachers have to focus on teaching to the test and not to learning.

Exactly. And taking the extra time to drill information into someone so they can spout it back on a test (and then forget it) takes time away from encouraging a brilliant mind to learn discipline and diligence in order to keep progressing and become a useful, productive (and, yes, tax-paying) member of society.

Exactly!!!!
When I was younger they encouraged us to think. Now the cashiers cant even make change without reading it on a screen.

My "consumers education" class was a joke in 1983, I have fiscal skills because my father taught me.

_____________________________

Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable. Sydney J. Harris

Sex without pain is like food without taste.
- de Sade

(in reply to lusciouslips19)

Profile

Post #: 56

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 1:06:43 PM

lusciouslips19

Posts: 9792
Joined: 9/8/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: OmegaG

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

quote:

I said merrits, not results. Merrits would include compensation for continuing education to stay up on current teaching methods, et al, merrits would include submitted publications, participation in research, creating new programs or teaching methods.

They already do that in chicago. getting paid more when you have a Master's degree. But my problem with this merit idea....

I teach at a vocational school where you are penalized as an Instructor if the students show up or drop. That makes me a babtsitter whether I want to be or not. These are grown ups. Also, them wanting me to push people through because they get more money in their coffers. But this attitude doesnt make people learn. Also, this merit thing called "no child left behind" makes teachers have to focus on teaching to the test and not to learning.

No child left behind is a catastrophe. Vocational schools are somewhat differnt as in my area at least there are some that are just attending so they may continue to get their welfare checks.

Not all. But definately some.

_____________________________

Original Pimpette,
Keeper of Original Home Flag and Fire of Mr. Lance Hughes
Charter member of Lance's Fag Hags,
Member of the Subbie Mafia
Princess of typos and it's my prerogative

(in reply to OmegaG)

Profile

Post #: 57

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 1:15:59 PM

Aileen1968

Posts: 6062
Joined: 12/12/2007
From: I miss Shore, New Jersey
Status: offline

You can barely survive in NJ on 100,000. Why should people that work hard be penalized?

_____________________________

The Red

(in reply to KenDckey)

Profile

Post #: 58

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 1:25:42 PM

DesFIP

Posts: 25191
Joined: 11/25/2007
From: Apple County NY
Status: offline

It's called communism. What happens is that people who can't profit from their labors don't do the work. In India, in the 1800's a mechanic working on building railroads invented something that saved the company a huge amount of money. They did not give him any royalties. So although he had several other ideas, he never shared them with that railroad. Instead he went back to England and sold his inventions to others.

_____________________________

Slave to laundry

Cynical and proud of it!

(in reply to meatcleaver)

Profile

Post #: 59

RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 1:27:51 PM

FRSguy

Posts: 653
Joined: 9/4/2007
Status: offline

I think it would be crazy. People that live in large metrapolitine areas have to pay out a lot more money just keep safe and secure to a degree. I have lived in stats that are extreamly rural and live in LA area now and the difference in what is required for housing and recreation is way different. If I erned as much money as I do now and lived in the state of Maine I would be considered extreamly well off however in Ca I am just middle class at best and that is with and income of 100k a year. By next year I am supose to be up to about 180k a year so I am just now looking at the posibilities of getting a house and being able to devote some of my income to investments for retirement. With a cap of 100k a year I would have to live in a different country. If you look at the tax system that we have. Its actually very difficult to earn over a certain amount because of the tax rate percentage and the way it rises and your income goes beyond the 150k mark. As result, you have to allmost have an accounting firm on your side and your own business in order to hide your income by not actually owning a lot of the things you use. In such an instance it kind of sucks because if your company folds you loose not just your company but also cars... ect.

(in reply to Aileen1968)

Profile

Post #: 60