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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 1:42:35 PM   
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I find it interesting and instructive to see one poster suggest a cap at 50 million and then be followed by people responding to a $100,000 cap.
Then there are the people who reference Russia and China who's only knowledge of those countries comes from Harbor Freight or the Readers Digest.
This is then followed by the concept that the Federal government can't do anything right and ignoring the Fact that we have an interstate Highway system that works pretty well and have put a man on the moon, Rural Electrification the TVA.  Any for profit corporation that operates at that level is not nearly as efficient.  Some people talk as if pushing a hoe will actually make you $100,000 a year.  Then of course there is the "knee slapper" that the "uber rich" actually work for a living and the poor are all on welfare feeding at the public trough when it is just the opposite.  It is the Archer Daniel Midlands of this country who are sucking the bottom out of the welfare trough.
Then there is the bizarre concept that increased demand causes prices to go up and not down.  The greater the demand the more product will be made thus economies of scale bringing the price down.
How many on this forum actually make $50 million a year?
How many on this forum actually make $50 million in a lifetime?
Some one else thinks only demopubs are on welfare...as if there was actually a difference between the republicrats and the demopubs. 
Dang there must be something in the water.
thompson

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 1:48:07 PM   
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personally, i think you two should have to be teachers in low-income, inner-city schools before any judgment you make like that is actually taken seriously.


My guess is that most teachers in inner city schools soon give up trying and just do whats necessary to survive. Of those that keep trying a goodly proportion end up total wrecks.
Of course none of this will be publicly acknowledged
Alternatively if all really apply themselves the stats. on student results say they dont achieve much.

Harsh but IMO true.


Not true. I work with inner city students in adult education. Most are late teens and early 20's. 95 percent of them are smart as whips but dont apply themselves. however, I dont find most very hard to reach at all. All they need is a taste of approval and a bit of sucess. Some teachers may give up but most dont. i do live in the chicsgo area. I know education standards are different. I have heard many talk about how bad public school is in say the state of florida. My sir was from florida. he was happy to be put in gifted classes. But he says most are not educated well there. So I can speak for the chicago area and what i have heard about Floridas. positive things about Conneticut and california. The rest i cant speak for .



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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 2:31:46 PM   
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Fast Reply:
I find it interesting and instructive to see one poster suggest a cap at 50 million and then be followed by people responding to a $100,000 cap.
Then there are the people who reference Russia and China who's only knowledge of those countries comes from Harbor Freight or the Readers Digest.



One of my Passports is a  "USSR" passport...  I dont shop at harbor freight or read Readers Digest.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 2:40:29 PM   
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One of my Passports is a  "USSR" passport...  I dont shop at harbor freight or read Readers Digest.


Moloch:
You also do not seem to know much about China or Russia.
Why do you have more than one passport?  How much time have you spent in Russia.  What is the basis of your expertise?
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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 2:49:40 PM   
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Fast Reply:
I find it interesting and instructive to see one poster suggest a cap at 50 million and then be followed by people responding to a $100,000 cap.
Then there are the people who reference Russia and China who's only knowledge of those countries comes from Harbor Freight or the Readers Digest.
This is then followed by the concept that the Federal government can't do anything right and ignoring the Fact that we have an interstate Highway system that works pretty well and have put a man on the moon, Rural Electrification the TVA.  Any for profit corporation that operates at that level is not nearly as efficient.  Some people talk as if pushing a hoe will actually make you $100,000 a year.  Then of course there is the "knee slapper" that the "uber rich" actually work for a living and the poor are all on welfare feeding at the public trough when it is just the opposite.  It is the Archer Daniel Midlands of this country who are sucking the bottom out of the welfare trough.
Then there is the bizarre concept that increased demand causes prices to go up and not down.  The greater the demand the more product will be made thus economies of scale bringing the price down.
How many on this forum actually make $50 million a year?
How many on this forum actually make $50 million in a lifetime?
Some one else thinks only demopubs are on welfare...as if there was actually a difference between the republicrats and the demopubs. 
Dang there must be something in the water.
thompson


I find that when one waltzes into a debate and declares himself to be of superiour knowledge without knowing the credentials of thpse he is opposing he tends to negate his own opinion.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 2:50:41 PM   
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One of my Passports is a  "USSR" passport...  I dont shop at harbor freight or read Readers Digest.


Moloch:
You also do not seem to know much about China or Russia.
Why do you have more than one passport?  How much time have you spent in Russia.  What is the basis of your expertise?
thompson


I was born and Raised there!

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 2:55:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moloch

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Moloch

One of my Passports is a  "USSR" passport...  I dont shop at harbor freight or read Readers Digest.


Moloch:
You also do not seem to know much about China or Russia.
Why do you have more than one passport?  How much time have you spent in Russia.  What is the basis of your expertise?
thompson


I was born and Raised there!



The Soviet Union was disolved when you were about 7?

Edit to correct punctiation-- I was asking for clarification for my memory.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 2:59:51 PM   
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Fast Reply:
I find it interesting and instructive to see one poster suggest a cap at 50 million and then be followed by people responding to a $100,000 cap.
Then there are the people who reference Russia and China who's only knowledge of those countries comes from Harbor Freight or the Readers Digest.
This is then followed by the concept that the Federal government can't do anything right and ignoring the Fact that we have an interstate Highway system that works pretty well and have put a man on the moon, Rural Electrification the TVA.  Any for profit corporation that operates at that level is not nearly as efficient.  Some people talk as if pushing a hoe will actually make you $100,000 a year.  Then of course there is the "knee slapper" that the "uber rich" actually work for a living and the poor are all on welfare feeding at the public trough when it is just the opposite.  It is the Archer Daniel Midlands of this country who are sucking the bottom out of the welfare trough.
Then there is the bizarre concept that increased demand causes prices to go up and not down.  The greater the demand the more product will be made thus economies of scale bringing the price down.
How many on this forum actually make $50 million a year?
How many on this forum actually make $50 million in a lifetime?
Some one else thinks only demopubs are on welfare...as if there was actually a difference between the republicrats and the demopubs. 
Dang there must be something in the water.
thompson


I find that when one waltzes into a debate and declares himself to be of superiour knowledge without knowing the credentials of thpse he is opposing he tends to negate his own opinion.


OmegaG:
I do not waltz...I tango. 
Please feel free to point out any fallacies in my observations.
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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 3:03:04 PM   
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OmegaG:
I do not waltz...I tango. 
Please feel free to point out any fallacies in my observations.
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Simple, I've never read Harbor Freight or Reder's Digest.  The USSR and Russia are two seperate econimic structures.

That's two.  I'm feeling lazy at the moment.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 3:04:41 PM   
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One of my Passports is a  "USSR" passport...  I dont shop at harbor freight or read Readers Digest.


Moloch:
You also do not seem to know much about China or Russia.
Why do you have more than one passport?  How much time have you spent in Russia.  What is the basis of your expertise?
thompson


I was born and Raised there!



Moloch:
Were you planning on answering my questions or are you just posting to add to your post count?
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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 3:14:43 PM   
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OmegaG:
I do not waltz...I tango. 
Please feel free to point out any fallacies in my observations.
thompson











Simple, I've never read Harbor Freight or Reder's Digest.  The USSR and Russia are two seperate econimic structures.

That's two.  I'm feeling lazy at the moment.


OmegaG:
That you are feeling lazy is clear.
Perhaps you should reread my post before you disagree with the observations I have made.
Harbor Freight is a store that carries predominantly Chinese made goods.  Readers Digest is a magazine that carries a decidedly anti Russian bias.
You are the only one who has referenced the USSR.  I spoke only of Russia.
thompson





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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 3:26:20 PM   
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My guess is that most teachers in inner city schools soon give up trying and just do whats necessary to survive.

Not true. I work with inner city students in adult education. Most are late teens and early 20's. 95 percent of them are smart as whips but dont apply themselves. however, I dont find most very hard to reach at all. All they need is a taste of approval and a bit of success.  .

Adult education implies that those you teach realise what cocky bastards they were, that they need to learn and even then as you admit "they dont apply themselves"
You sound like a soft soaper to me.
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a taste of approval and a bit of success.

absolutely not. They are there to learn and its up to them. If they grasp the nettle things might improve for them.
Indulge them and they will fail but at least  probably will  "like" you.
I bet if you took a hard line with them some at least would return in the future and thank you for it.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 3:36:39 PM   
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The Soviet Union was disolved when you were about 7?

Edit to correct punctiation-- I was asking for clarification for my memory.


I was 8,  It completley fell apart in 91,  the "USSR" labled passports were issued well into 1996.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 3:37:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moloch

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Moloch

One of my Passports is a  "USSR" passport...  I dont shop at harbor freight or read Readers Digest.


Moloch:
You also do not seem to know much about China or Russia.
Why do you have more than one passport?  How much time have you spent in Russia.  What is the basis of your expertise?
thompson


I was born and Raised there!



Moloch:
Were you planning on answering my questions or are you just posting to add to your post count?
thompson







 



Are you gonna ask Wesley Snipes to prove that he is black too?

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 3:48:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think that someone who wants to cap others income pretty much wants to be making that income themselves but are unable to do so.No, absolutely no. If incomes had been capped I wouldn't have been able to grow up in the place that I did.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 4:03:17 PM   
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Please feel free to point out any fallacies in my observations.
thompson


Most of your "observations" are empty or assumptions. How do you know that their knowledge of Russia or China only comes from "biased" periodicals and stores? What does it matter how many on the boards make 50 million a year or in a lifetime?

What are you using as an efficiency measure when you say that the TVA or the space program was more efficient that private enterprise? Since we haven't had a private attempt at a moon landing (to my knowledge), what are you using as your basis for comparison?

How do you define "uber rich"? So what if they don't work? Do you have verifiable numbers for the percentage of welfare that goes to corporations vs. citizens? When does economic stimulus become corporate welfare?

For outright being wrong;

Increased demand will cause prices to increase if there isn't supply to match the demand. There isn't a limitless supply of goods, nor unlimited production capacity. Even assuming unlimited supply of raw materials; Just as there are economies of scale, there are also diseconomies of scale. Once an organization has grown beyond a certain size, it actually starts getting less efficient.

Stating opinions in a hostile condescending tone does constitute good debating, but an attempt to bully others into agreeing with you.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 4:26:43 PM   
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My guess is that most teachers in inner city schools soon give up trying and just do whats necessary to survive.

Not true. I work with inner city students in adult education. Most are late teens and early 20's. 95 percent of them are smart as whips but dont apply themselves. however, I dont find most very hard to reach at all. All they need is a taste of approval and a bit of success.  .

Adult education implies that those you teach realise what cocky bastards they were, that they need to learn and even then as you admit "they dont apply themselves"
You sound like a soft soaper to me.
quote:

a taste of approval and a bit of success.

absolutely not. They are there to learn and its up to them. If they grasp the nettle things might improve for them.
Indulge them and they will fail but at least  probably will  "like" you.
I bet if you took a hard line with them some at least would return in the future and thank you for it.


I'm not there to be liked and I provide plenty of boudaries. Most LEARN to apply themselves. Dont assume to know my style or assume I am soft and looking to be liked. Dont Assume I dont take a hard line. The young ones are craving for the dicipline and love me all the more when i give it to them. No, I dont reach everyone. thast called being human.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 5:29:08 PM   
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OmegaG:
I do not waltz...I tango. 
Please feel free to point out any fallacies in my observations.
thompson


Straw men might not be fallacies, but neither are they evidence.  The "prove me wrong" theory, doesn't mean you're right in any way.

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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 5:37:13 PM   
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RE: Should Income be capped? - 2/8/2008 5:43:34 PM   
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I thought people decided already that communism is bad?



Problem with that is the fact that true communism was never implemented.

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