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Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 6:41:12 AM   
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I happened to see this article on abcnews.com this morning:  http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4261381

Hmm... that gives me all kinds of ideas.

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 6:45:29 AM   
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LOL TR...
Actually, I think the mom had a good idea.  When I was a kid, the only punishments that worked on me were ones that my friends were witness to...lol
Nothing like public humiliation... like using stocks a couple hundred years ago.

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 6:48:30 AM   
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LOL... talk about humilation.  Nice and clean and public too!!  Love it!!!

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 6:50:40 AM   
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An excellent idea. I came up with a similar idea some time ago.

I was thinking that the Domme could make the sub wear a special harness with a clear plastic pocket in the front where the Domme could insert signs that say "I didn't help with the dishes" or "I didn't take out the trash".

The harness would have locking buckles at the rear.

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 6:54:24 AM   
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When I was younger, I spent lots of time as a nanny, and I once made one of the kids I worked with go to the manager of a store he stole a candy bar from and tell him what he did, and return it.  I then told him if he did it again, I was going to make him wear a sign that said "I am a thief, dont trust Me if I am in your store" whenever we went shopping.  I dont think he ever stole again.  It works, kudos to this mother!

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 7:36:33 AM   
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It doesn't sit well with me, kids or adults.  I'd see making someone apologize to the specific person they had offended or stolen, but otherwise I don't like it and I don't think it's as positive or productive a method as could be used.

Again, if people stopped focusing so much on dealing with that single incidence and hitting back as hard as they could, they might start focusing on WHY this happened to begin with and work productively at the source.

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 7:55:03 AM   
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its a tad to much for me, perhaps for adults than fine but for a child no. also as stated above u need to work out why its happening not just punish the incident.

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 8:04:32 AM   
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Unless someone is equipped to handle such humiliation, you can be unknowingly emotionally damaging them.  Particularly when it's a youngster.

I was publically spanked as a young one, in a crowded parking lot with lots of onlookers.  It took me until late into my 20s, possibly even into early 30s to get over tha humiliation of it.  Interestingly enough, it took my siblings a long time to get over it, too.

The human psyche is not something to be reckless with.  Know your subject can handle it before deciding it's a great idea, else you'll be spending a lot of effort picking up the pieces of the toy you broke.


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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 8:16:37 AM   
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Know your subject can handle it before deciding it's a great idea, else you'll be spending a lot of effort picking up the pieces of the toy you broke.


I would assume that the child's mother DOES know her child. 
One time my mom caught me doing something I shouldn't have been (well, more than once, lol, but we'll stick to this incident).  On a public street, in center city Philadelphia, she grabbed me by the arm and in front of God and everyone (including the 6-7 friends I had been with) she smacked my ass every other step for the two blocks it took to get home.
Was I morbidly humiliated? HELL YES!!!!  Did I ever pull the same stunt?  HELL NO!!!!

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 8:22:15 AM   
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quote:

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Know your subject can handle it before deciding it's a great idea, else you'll be spending a lot of effort picking up the pieces of the toy you broke.


I would assume that the child's mother DOES know her child. 


Bad assumption.

The quote of mine above was about dominants knowing their submissives and what they can handle. And I definitely do not assume that most do that.

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 8:24:32 AM   
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I didn't think it was a cruel thing to do (the kid had been suspended from school), until I saw the video where a reporter stuffed a camera in the poor kid's face and attempted an interview.  

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 8:25:40 AM   
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Kudos to the mothers! Kids these days (especially here in America) are horribly spoiled, and the way they treat their elders is appalling. My mom's a teacher for 2nd grade, and she has students calling her a whore, a bitch, asshole... you name it they've said it to her face. She also had a kid bring a crackpipe to school one day. And the parents are horrible to deal with. They almost always side with their kids as if everybody else is lying, and their 'precious' young one would never lie to them. My mother doesn't even work in a inner-city school or anyhting like that. It's in the suburbs part of Louisville, KY so I'd hate to see what kind of crap some of the bigger city schools have to deal with. People just treat kids too softly these days. If I'd been rude to a teacher, oh Hell my ass would burn for a week, I'd probably be grounded for a while, and I'd have to write a letter of apology. I bet that kid will be respectful of his elders after this. very effective form of punishment I think. The kid probably thought being rude to his teacher was "cool," and I'm sure he doesn't think that now.

Then again I'm not too fond of kids these days, spoiled lil snots they are. Back in my day you heard stories of kids being punished with the belt (or any other object close at hand) and I'm only 20... I'm sure some of you older folks have even worse horror stories to tell of your parents punishing you...and we all turned out fine... generally.

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 8:28:06 AM   
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hear hear, Faeorie :)

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 8:29:05 AM   
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While it might be a hot idea for those with a punishment kink, I think there needs to be a clear division between the concept of teaching humility, and aggressively shaming a person.

A person who is shamed doesn't gain humility, they simply lose dignity.  A man with no dignity needn't worry about the impact of his actions; he's used to feeling terrible, so he might as well do whatever bad thing he was going to do anyway.

I see this as the makings of serial rapists and murderers, not healthy, well adjusted men and women.

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 8:32:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Faeorie

Kudos to the mothers! Kids these days (especially here in America) are horribly spoiled, and the way they treat their elders is appalling. My mom's a teacher for 2nd grade, and she has students calling her a whore, a bitch, asshole... you name it they've said it to her face. She also had a kid bring a crackpipe to school one day. And the parents are horrible to deal with. They almost always side with their kids as if everybody else is lying, and their 'precious' young one would never lie to them. My mother doesn't even work in a inner-city school or anyhting like that. It's in the suburbs part of Louisville, KY so I'd hate to see what kind of crap some of the bigger city schools have to deal with. People just treat kids too softly these days. If I'd been rude to a teacher, oh Hell my ass would burn for a week, I'd probably be grounded for a while, and I'd have to write a letter of apology. I bet that kid will be respectful of his elders after this. very effective form of punishment I think. The kid probably thought being rude to his teacher was "cool," and I'm sure he doesn't think that now.

Then again I'm not too fond of kids these days, spoiled lil snots they are. Back in my day you heard stories of kids being punished with the belt (or any other object close at hand) and I'm only 20... I'm sure some of you older folks have even worse horror stories to tell of your parents punishing you...and we all turned out fine... generally.



And I could tell you stories relayed to me by my mother of the children in her classes in the 60s acting no better then they do today and the parents turning a blind eye.

My parents were not proponents of public humiliation and punishment.  To act up in a store meant we would leave imediately, either with one parent while the other continued to shop or the shopping trip was over if there was only one parent.  Had they humiliated me in public I believe that I would have learned that bad behaviour is acceptable, so long as one was an adult.

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 8:34:25 AM   
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While it might be a hot idea for those with a punishment kink, I think there needs to be a clear division between the concept of teaching humility, and aggressively shaming a person.

A person who is shamed doesn't gain humility, they simply lose dignity.  A man with no dignity needn't worry about the impact of his actions; he's used to feeling terrible, so he might as well do whatever bad thing he was going to do anyway.

I see this as the makings of serial rapists and murderers, not healthy, well adjusted men and women.

Stephan


 
I've been unsettled about this article since reading it and couldn't formulate the words to my feelings, I think your thoughts may have hit close to the ideas in my head.

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 8:36:16 AM   
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Too much for a child. Within a BDSM relationship I am not that into real punishment anyway... but I would say that anyway.

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 8:45:32 AM   
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This has me a bit unsettled.  As a mother myself, when my children do something that deserves punishment, they receive it. i do not think i could go as far as public humiliation however.  In theory i can see where the mother is coming from, she wants to teach her child respect, but i am uncertain whether this is what he will actually take away from the experience.  This brings to mind a story from my area last year of a boy (16 as i recall) that killed an officer.  The newspaper interviewed his friends and family, and it was reported by his sister that he had often been beaten, humilated, tied to a tree in the front yard, all in the attempts to make him learn respect and "how to be a man".  Seemed that all it did was create a man with no sense of self worth or dignity. 

Had it been one of my beasties disrespecting their teacher , the punishment would have included a written letter of apology, and had it been done in front of the other students a verbal apology to her in front of them as well.  i will not even go into the grounding and loss of privileges.

There has been a growing trend of Judges sentencing petty criminals to do very similar things to what this boy had to do, and while it might work for a grown person, i simply think a child will not be able to process the experience in such a way as to take a healthy lesson from it.

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 8:45:43 AM   
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Kudos to the mothers! Kids these days (especially here in America) are horribly spoiled, and the way they treat their elders is appalling. My mom's a teacher for 2nd grade, and she has students calling her a whore, a bitch, asshole... you name it they've said it to her face. She also had a kid bring a crackpipe to school one day. And the parents are horrible to deal with. They almost always side with their kids as if everybody else is lying, and their 'precious' young one would never lie to them. My mother doesn't even work in a inner-city school or anyhting like that. It's in the suburbs part of Louisville, KY so I'd hate to see what kind of crap some of the bigger city schools have to deal with. People just treat kids too softly these days. If I'd been rude to a teacher, oh Hell my ass would burn for a week, I'd probably be grounded for a while, and I'd have to write a letter of apology. I bet that kid will be respectful of his elders after this. very effective form of punishment I think. The kid probably thought being rude to his teacher was "cool," and I'm sure he doesn't think that now.

Then again I'm not too fond of kids these days, spoiled lil snots they are. Back in my day you heard stories of kids being punished with the belt (or any other object close at hand) and I'm only 20... I'm sure some of you older folks have even worse horror stories to tell of your parents punishing you...and we all turned out fine... generally.



And I could tell you stories relayed to me by my mother of the children in her classes in the 60s acting no better then they do today and the parents turning a blind eye.

My parents were not proponents of public humiliation and punishment.  To act up in a store meant we would leave imediately, either with one parent while the other continued to shop or the shopping trip was over if there was only one parent.  Had they humiliated me in public I believe that I would have learned that bad behaviour is acceptable, so long as one was an adult.


Hehe, exactly Omega.  I am pretty firmly against punishment like that for children (ironic because I believe it's essential for a slave...or I just want it as a slave . But that's a whole other topic about adult relationships...)  I used to get into arguments with my roommate about this all the time.  She would point out that when she was "beat" for something bad she did she never did it again.  She said it was the only way to teach kids not to do things.  I tend to see lots of people say "but I never did it again."  Personally I agree with LA that a focus should be more on why the kid is acting out than the specific incident.  There are a million and one "bad" things a child can do in just one day.  Are you going to punish them for each incident until they've done all of them and now know every bad thing they shouldn't do or are the parents going to start taking time to teach their children the reasons why the things they're doing are bad, and modeling good behavior themselves?   I was never hit or punished as a child.  Not because my parents were soft on me but because I didn't do "bad" things.  My parents spent time talking to me about things, taught me how to be fair with others and to remember that other people deserve as much respect as I do.  I'm not trying to say I'm so wonderful or my parents didn't make mistakes but I personally think that fear of being humiliated does not make someone a kind person.  It makes them a scared person who can't wait till they get the chance to humiliate someone else.

Just my 2 cents...or 2 dollars. I feel pretty strongly about this topic.

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RE: Nice Punishment Idea - 2/8/2008 8:52:50 AM   
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My mother (in the example I posted above) used humiliation as a tool to correct me for an unacceptable action.  Have I spent my life choosing to humiliate others? no. IN fact, if anything, I tend towards nurturing behaviors.
Who knows how this child will process this experience?  None of us.
Not every child will keep this as a negative thing for years, not every child will process it and let it go with lesson learned.
*shrug*

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