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Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 12:51:33 PM   
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I'm sure it happens all of the time, and then you leave.

Maybe some cautionary tales from subs will help the less sensitive Tops out there....understand why they keep ending up holding empty collars.

What went so horribly wrong? But let's also be fair-admit your own part in it. Even if it was only putting up with abuse.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 1:06:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

I'm sure it happens all of the time, and then you leave.

Maybe some cautionary tales from subs will help the less sensitive Tops out there....understand why they keep ending up holding empty collars.

What went so horribly wrong? But let's also be fair-admit your own part in it. Even if it was only putting up with abuse.


absolutely not.

There is an ass for every seat, and there are two sides for every story.  So subs come on here and say so and so was so mean and nasty to me, what's to make us believe that her story is accurate?

Further, in the book "Honestly, he's not that into you" the author unabashedly states that he was a bad boy until he found the right girl.  Interactions between two people are uniquly theirs, with a different girl the dynamic is changed and so will be his behaviour to an extent.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 1:23:29 PM   
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And yet, this sort of dynamic also attracts some very ill people. And what is said is quite accurate. They really WERE abusive fucktards.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 1:28:33 PM   
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And yet, this sort of dynamic also attracts some very ill people. And what is said is quite accurate. They really WERE abusive fucktards.


any thinking person (IMO) goes into any relationship with eyes wide open to red flags.

My daughter's father put my head through a wall, I left.  He's been married for quite a while to a woman he's never thought of raising a hand to.  I'm not excusing his actions but I do recognize that there was a quality in me that made him feel insecure and he used physical violence as a way of bringing me to his level.

The action was real and I could have warned his current wife, but seeing as how they are more compatible and he hasn't hit her, would I have been doing them a favor by warning her?  Is it my right to make his life away from me miserable because of how he treated me?

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 1:35:47 PM   
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And yet, this sort of dynamic also attracts some very ill people. And what is said is quite accurate. They really WERE abusive fucktards.


Who are you to say the sub didn't enjoi the abusive fucktards???  3 sides to every story...theirs, mine and what really happened.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 1:41:30 PM   
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The fact of them throwing the collar in faces and walking away says it all.

Is having your nose broken by a speeding eternity collar a "release protocol?"

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 1:49:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leatherist

I'm sure it happens all of the time, and then you leave.

Maybe some cautionary tales from subs will help the less sensitive Tops out there....understand why they keep ending up holding empty collars.

What went so horribly wrong? But let's also be fair-admit your own part in it. Even if it was only putting up with abuse.

Sorry, but no thanks. I am not here to hold hands with anyone; nor make things easier for someone else. Fuck that. I already have youngins.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 1:55:34 PM   
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Well, I'll jump in.  I had a horrible encounter with a submissive once.  She wanted me to beat her with a wiffle bat, for hours.  I mean, how adult-baby-perverted can you get?  I had the WORST CHARLIE HORSE OF MY LIFE after that session.  Fucking greedy-ass submissives, not respecting the soft and hard limits of the Doms.  Then people start threads thinking that only the limits of the subs ever get bent or broken.  Bullshit flies both directions in any relationship I've ever seen.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 1:57:28 PM   
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If i ripped the collar off and burned it, does that imply that i actually despised him?  btw... burning leather, not a scent i recommend.  (Do not despise him or anybody, that is a waste of emotion and energy.)

Ahh, and for the record, i had my share of the blame, i gave a second chance when my instincts screamed NOOOOoooooooOOOOOOOO    i learned quite a bit from that experience, mostly to listen to my own instincts, and not settle for half assed communication from either side.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 1:58:40 PM   
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Well, I'll jump in.  I had a horrible encounter with a submissive once.  She wanted me to beat her with a wiffle bat, for hours.  I mean, how adult-baby-perverted can you get?  I had the WORST CHARLIE HORSE OF MY LIFE after that session.  Fucking greedy-ass submissives, not respecting the soft and hard limits of the Doms.  Then people start threads thinking that only the limits of the subs ever get bent or broken.  Bullshit flies both directions in any relationship I've ever seen.

Oh fuck...that's hot

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 1:59:40 PM   
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My daughter's father put my head through a wall, I left.  He's been married for quite a while to a woman he's never thought of raising a hand to.  I'm not excusing his actions but I do recognize that there was a quality in me that made him feel insecure and he used physical violence as a way of bringing me to his level.

The action was real and I could have warned his current wife, but seeing as how they are more compatible and he hasn't hit her, would I have been doing them a favor by warning her?  Is it my right to make his life away from me miserable because of how he treated me?


You don't know for sure he hasn't hit her - do you think either one would tell you - bruises can be hidden, or hits can be without bruising. You take on his abuse as if you did something to pull it out of him - I don't care WHAT you did - there is a line that should not be crossed. PERIOD. Unfortunately I had to learn this from personal experience. I used to think that my waking my ex up, and not tiptoeing around his bad moods, or allowing a fight to escallate to where I was screaming at him - that I brought him to that breaking point, and shared blame in his abuse. Although for 17 years - he never hauled off and hit me (it was grabbed shoulders, wrists, his hand over my mouth, or pushing me) - it wasn't until he broke the window out of my car and tried to strangle me - with a 3 & 5 year old watching - that I got to my breaking point - clearly seeing it WAS abuse, and put an end to a marriage that was already done. If I allowed my children to see that he could put his hands on me in anger in that way - I would teach them it was ok - and it is NOT.

I don't know that you have to cause trouble in your ex's new relationship, but if you do have a chance to let his new lady know - that your relationship was abusive...maybe even in a way such as to say "I'm glad HE seems to be able to control his anger/violent tendancies and has not been physical with you - I do wish you both happiness" - you could let her know without seeming vindictive.

Sorry to hijack the OP thread - but I felt compelled.

To address the OP - I have also learned - that what you put out is what you get back. If you can let go of the negative energy and only put out positive energy - life can really be amazing. I believe everything happens for a reason, and without the worst things I have experienced in my life, I would not be where I am today. This Dominant you are despising...let it go. Realize there was a part they played in your life, and there must have been some good in them for you to bring them in your life to begin with, so hope that they use that good to make better decisions, not to hurt others and find happiness/peace...the LET IT GO. It is easier said than done, I know, but when you get let go of all the negative, a huge weight is lifted. After all, the saying is true - living well is the best revenge.


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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 2:00:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Well, I'll jump in.  I had a horrible encounter with a submissive once.  She wanted me to beat her with a wiffle bat, for hours.  I mean, how adult-baby-perverted can you get?  I had the WORST CHARLIE HORSE OF MY LIFE after that session.  Fucking greedy-ass submissives, not respecting the soft and hard limits of the Doms.  Then people start threads thinking that only the limits of the subs ever get bent or broken.  Bullshit flies both directions in any relationship I've ever seen.


I've had them want me to play master 24 7.

Damned attention sluts, talk about abuse!

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 2:02:13 PM   
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Learning to despise a Dominant?

You have GOT to be kidding me.

News Flash. . .

Rejection is a part of life.  Get over yourself already.

Pop some popcorn, put in a movie, and go on with your life.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 2:03:19 PM   
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To address the OP - I have also learned - that what you put out is what you get back. If you can let go of the negative energy and only put out positive energy - life can really be amazing. I believe everything happens for a reason, and without the worst things I have experienced in my life, I would not be where I am today. This Dominant you are despising...let it go. Realize there was a part they played in your life, and there must have been some good in them for you to bring them in your life to begin with, so hope that they use that good to make better decisions, not to hurt others and find happiness/peace...the LET IT GO. It is easier said than done, I know, but when you get let go of all the negative, a huge weight is lifted. After all, the saying is true - living well is the best revenge.


And that is  the point of this thread. Learning to see oneself through the eyes of others. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.




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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 2:04:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Learning to despise a Dominant?

You have GOT to be kidding me.

News Flash. . .

Rejection is a part of life.  Get over yourself already.

Pop some popcorn, put in a movie, and go on with your life.


You might want to note that I happen to be a top.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 2:08:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AtlantaMistress

quote:

ORIGINAL: OmegaG

My daughter's father put my head through a wall, I left.  He's been married for quite a while to a woman he's never thought of raising a hand to.  I'm not excusing his actions but I do recognize that there was a quality in me that made him feel insecure and he used physical violence as a way of bringing me to his level.

The action was real and I could have warned his current wife, but seeing as how they are more compatible and he hasn't hit her, would I have been doing them a favor by warning her?  Is it my right to make his life away from me miserable because of how he treated me?


You don't know for sure he hasn't hit her - do you think either one would tell you - bruises can be hidden, or hits can be without bruising. You take on his abuse as if you did something to pull it out of him - I don't care WHAT you did - there is a line that should not be crossed. PERIOD. Unfortunately I had to learn this from personal experience. I used to think that my waking my ex up, and not tiptoeing around his bad moods, or allowing a fight to escallate to where I was screaming at him - that I brought him to that breaking point, and shared blame in his abuse. Although for 17 years - he never hauled off and hit me (it was grabbed shoulders, wrists, his hand over my mouth, or pushing me) - it wasn't until he broke the window out of my car and tried to strangle me - with a 3 & 5 year old watching - that I got to my breaking point - clearly seeing it WAS abuse, and put an end to a marriage that was already done. If I allowed my children to see that he could put his hands on me in anger in that way - I would teach them it was ok - and it is NOT.

I don't know that you have to cause trouble in your ex's new relationship, but if you do have a chance to let his new lady know - that your relationship was abusive...maybe even in a way such as to say "I'm glad HE seems to be able to control his anger/violent tendancies and has not been physical with you - I do wish you both happiness" - you could let her know without seeming vindictive.

Sorry to hijack the OP thread - but I felt compelled.

To address the OP - I have also learned - that what you put out is what you get back. If you can let go of the negative energy and only put out positive energy - life can really be amazing. I believe everything happens for a reason, and without the worst things I have experienced in my life, I would not be where I am today. This Dominant you are despising...let it go. Realize there was a part they played in your life, and there must have been some good in them for you to bring them in your life to begin with, so hope that they use that good to make better decisions, not to hurt others and find happiness/peace...the LET IT GO. It is easier said than done, I know, but when you get let go of all the negative, a huge weight is lifted. After all, the saying is true - living well is the best revenge.



I am sorry for your experience.

I had an education which he despised, I also had an upbringing that he was envious of.  It's no excuse for violence but I can see how it created the dynamic.  Were I older and smarter I would have left before it came to violence.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 2:09:16 PM   
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The fact of them throwing the collar in faces and walking away says it all.



Actually, what that scenario would say to me, without any other supporting details, was that the submissive wasn't worth his time and proved it by disrespecting him so much as to throw a collar at him instead of calmly asking to be released and breaking up with him like an adult. But that's just my opinion.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 2:10:07 PM   
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This post will not help any Tops, and I'll only relate it with regard to my own culpability:

He said, "There are no no's. Period."

This is not inherently problematic, however, I had not chosen him well.

Tee

[edited because cripes i cain't speel toody]

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 2:11:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leatherist

The fact of them throwing the collar in faces and walking away says it all.



Actually, what that scenario would say to me, without any other supporting details, was that the submissive wasn't worth his time and proved it by disrespecting him so much as to throw a collar at him instead of calmly asking to be released and breaking up with him like an adult. But that's just my opinion.



Or that he, in his own stubborn arrogance, chose to disrespect her to the point that she felt compelled to do so-since nothing else got through his lead dense skull.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 2:12:21 PM   
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and if one asks to be released due to cheating, lies, and other issues that made the submissive realize that the situation was extremely unhealthy, but the request was refused then what?  Should the submissive simply accept that they are never allowed to be free of a bad relationship?

There are reasons for most people's actions, even if someone does not agree with those reasons or actions.  Judging someone with only seeing one side is effectively wearing blinders.

just my thoughts

edited because i hate making typos

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