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kitttty -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 9:15:18 AM)
quote: What drives me batty is when I go shopping with them and they complain about how horribly fat they are getting when they couldnt even close a 1. I don't talk about my weight with girls bigger than me but I like to discuss it with girls around my size. I strangely do not have body issues- my friends say its one of my unusual characteristics but i still sometimes like to discuss my physical imperfections. I mean, I don't care that much- but I want to work on them a little. I weighed myself at Master's house today and I was 99 lbs with my winter layers on. And I am still not runway model thin- I am not even playmate model thin. Women in the media have no fat on them at all, but since I dont work out enough I have a lil bit of skinny fat. whatever. i'm naturally thin and i love it. my mom says i'm guant and my dad wonders if i have graves disease, but to hell with them all, if i want less body fat then its my prerogative. And yes, strangely despite my love of thinness on me, I have 0 potential for an eating disorder. Well, unless Master wanted me to fatten up. I miiiight do it for him.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 9:15:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DianeB269 I'm a thin woman and I hate the stupid comments i get from other women. Diane Women can be just as mean to skinny girls as to fat ones.

ShaktiSama -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 9:58:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross None of this is anyone who happens to just be skinny and beautiful and young though ... Um, I think it's the endless hammering that these three things necessarily go together that people object to, quite frankly. The idea that women are not beautiful if they are not teenagers (or resembling such) is horrifically damaging and evil. And the idea that women are not beautiful if they are not skinny is horrifically damaging and evil. If you don't believe it, check the stats--in the USA, anorexia and its variants are the mental illness which is most likely to kill you. The death rates per sufferer top those of depression, schizophrenia and other disorders by a significant margin. Sorry, but "beautiful" is in the eye of the beholder, and any diversity of opinion on the subject of Beauty is usually crushed by people who don't profit by women liking themselves. This has always been true in the past and it is even more true today, when many women are having their self-esteem crushed by gigantic corporations with tremendous power to create and disseminate their ideology. The ideal of beauty they promote is intentially one of misery and pain for the majority of women, at least in the Western world (and if you want to see a similar ideology at work in Asia, take a look at the historical beauty treatments intended to fatten you up and lighten your skin!). These corporations profit most by enforcing a standard of beauty which is unattainable by the majority of women--because they need to make the majority of their potential audience as insecure and unhappy as possible. Happy, secure, self-loving women have never been the agenda of the Beauty standards applied. Today, the profit motive is key--women who are happy with themselves do NOT spend as much money on beauty products, clothes, diets and surgery as women who loathe themselves do. Their barrage of negative messages is so strong now that the associated mental illnesses are starting to appear in little girls as young as three and four. So, no, I'm sorry. I am not going to cry a river over where Asian women buy their clothes, just because a small number of them may benefit from the size of the average fashion model being reduced to size 0. Size 0 is a very different proposition on an Asian woman 5'2" tall than it is on women from European backgrounds who range in height from 5'9" to six feet. No one cries a river over the way the fashion industry discriminates against me. And frankly, I've lived in Vancouver before; there are entire malls scattered all over the city with businesses that cater to no one BUT Asians, with all writing in neither French nor English, and shops and salons that do and sell nothing all day but clothes, imported items and services for Asian men and women. The Asian community of that city is supplied with every product and service they could ever possibly need--and they probably represent a much smaller minority than women over a size 4 do in that city.

ShaktiSama -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 10:00:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty I strangely do not have body issues- Yes, it's very strange that you do not have body issues when you are exactly what the entire planet is telling every woman they should be, all day, every day, from the moment they are born until the moment they die. What a bizarre coincidence.

CrimsonMoan -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 10:04:09 AM)
Its all about whetehr you are comfortable in your own skin. I usually circle 120-130 but it doesn't show. The smallest i have been was 110, though I couldn't be a size 0 to save my life. Too much chest and too much hip. I went to catholic school with a girl who was a natural zero before Zero was even popular. She was a real life Olive Oyl. I believe if you're big and happy with it, good for you and the same goes for being naturally skinny and not letting anyone make you feel bad about it.

angelikaJ -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 10:05:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty I strangely do not have body issues- my friends say its one of my unusual characteristics but i still sometimes like to discuss my physical imperfections. I mean, I don't care that much- but I want to work on them a little. I disagree with that statement as it relates to your posting on other threads. You worry quite a bit about gaining any weight out of fear that it will displease your master.

kitttty -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 10:09:55 AM)
quote: You worry quite a bit about gaining any weight out of fear that it will displease your master. Yeah. I worry about a number things out of fear of displeasing Master. But that's not my body issue- it's about his opinion. And his opinion is that I should neither lose nor gain weight, but if my weight were to change, he might prefer a few more pounds. Today he insisted that I take my coffee with extra cream and sugar to get fattened up (as a joke).

SingleRarity -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 10:10:14 AM)
kittty, I've always been really thin. Growing up, I was tested for everything from cystic fibrosis, to Graves disease. In seventh grade one of my classmates was such an asshole that he told everyone the reason I was so skinny was because I had aids. Yeah, seventh grade was wonderful (note sarcasm). At that point I was put on medical weight gainers, which didn't work. In college, I was standing in the checkout line at a grocery store with my bestie, who has battled bulemia since her teens, when an overwight middle age woman walked up to ME and said the following: People like you make me sick. You don't eat so that you can live up to some ridiculous fashion ideal. You're sick, sick in the head and you make my daughter feel like she's not normal. I hope you get help for your disease, or better yet I hope it kills you so my daughter and her friends never have to look at you and think that they're not normal. I just kind of looked at her in shock, but didn't say anything. She marched away with a satisfied smile, holding the hand of an obese kid. It was pretty sad and very embarrasing. After starting birth control, I gained about ten pounds and I haven't had anyone ask me if I was anorexic in years. Those were only two examples, extreme examples, but I was five the first time someone asked my mother if she starved me. What bothers me on threads like this is that you ask the question of "size zero haters-what's the deal?" and someone comes on and writes something along the lines of: I don't hate thin people, but I just like a little meat on my bones, ribs are gross. I mean why write that? If there was a thread about big girl hating and I wrote; I didn't mind big girls, but I don't like pudge ewww gross, that would be rude and probably hurt people's feelings. I would never ever do that. We're all adults here, or at least we should be. Why do people think it's okay to say stuff like that. In the end it doesn't really bother me at this point in my life. I really like my body. I eat well, dance, and do yoga regularly, but I'll always know how seventh grade me felt, and some of the comments in this thread are made to make others feel like shit.

ShaktiSama -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 10:21:51 AM)
People who have to say something negative about a woman's body--any woman's body--are all just playing into the same game. When someone says "Size 0 haters--what's the deal", I try to point out that the hostility directed at size 0 women is really caused by the constant flow of messages that say "You must be a size 0 or you are worthless/ugly/unsexy/invisible." It's misplaced anger when it's directed at individual people: one skinny teenage girl, whether she is bulemic or naturally underweight, does not create a world-spanning problem. But this is NOT misplaced anger when it is directed at corporations, and it was an anti-corporate action that inspired this thread. If you do not want individual size 0 women to be attacked, I would suggest you recognize certain realities. People have the right to object to corporate actions that are detrimental to them, regardless of whether they benefit some other group. This is especially true when those harmed represent a majority, and those benefitting are only a tiny group of elites.

DianeB269 -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 10:25:49 AM)
I blame it all on the fashion industry. Diane

kitttty -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 10:39:55 AM)
quote: I've always been really thin. Growing up, I was tested for everything from cystic fibrosis, to Graves disease. In seventh grade one of my classmates was such an asshole that he told everyone the reason I was so skinny was because I had aids. If I am seen eating (which is often), then I get graves disease, diabetes, tape worm with various explanations about how I could have gotten a tape worm, blood sugar problems which come from rarely eating (this is what Ive been told happens when I get hungry and eat something). My mom says I look so guant that I look twice my age. Yeah, so a lot of people call skinny some kind of disease. And I'm not very skinny. How many ribs can you count on me? None. quote: I don't hate thin people, but I just like a little meat on my bones, ribs are gross. I mean why write that? If there was a thread about big girl hating and I wrote; I didn't mind big girls, but I don't like pudge ewww gross, There is a lot of that. On this thread plenty have insituated that there is something inherantly wrong and unsexy about a thin body. And my grandma was 10 lbs less than me after having six kids. Rail thin women do not have less healthy children or less children. Cuz all women have child bearing hips.

shigglyboom -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 10:43:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SingleRarity kittty, I've always been really thin. Growing up, I was tested for everything from cystic fibrosis, to Graves disease. In seventh grade one of my classmates was such an asshole that he told everyone the reason I was so skinny was because I had aids. Yeah, seventh grade was wonderful (note sarcasm). At that point I was put on medical weight gainers, which didn't work. In college, I was standing in the checkout line at a grocery store with my bestie, who has battled bulemia since her teens, when an overwight middle age woman walked up to ME and said the following: People like you make me sick. You don't eat so that you can live up to some ridiculous fashion ideal. You're sick, sick in the head and you make my daughter feel like she's not normal. I hope you get help for your disease, or better yet I hope it kills you so my daughter and her friends never have to look at you and think that they're not normal. This happens routinely these days to my gorgeous middle-aged friend who's a size two and gets excoriated for being a bad role model to girls. She looks like she does because of lost weight during months of grueling cancer treatment. Sure there are perks to looking the way she does, but she'd have preferred to keep the extra pounds. As for the Dove campaign, it's a fair start, but they'll deserve far more credit when they stop simply upsizing the usual model-proportioned body with its broad shoulders and flat(ish) stomachs and use a fuller, fairer spectrum of real people.

angelikaJ -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 10:46:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty quote: You worry quite a bit about gaining any weight out of fear that it will displease your master. Yeah. I worry about a number things out of fear of displeasing Master. But that's not my body issue- it's about his opinion. And his opinion is that I should neither lose nor gain weight, but if my weight were to change, he might prefer a few more pounds. Today he insisted that I take my coffee with extra cream and sugar to get fattened up (as a joke). For that I am happy...I know you were worried that weight gain might displease him...my point is that when you were worried that he might view you as too heavy in those moments it became a "body-image" issue for you....

solia -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 10:54:25 AM)
OMG! Can we just knock off about weight and sizes already? The clothing industry changes the labels every season to freak us out. I won't lose an ounce or an inch but between summer and winter, my size goes up by 2 from one week to the next. What is size 0 now, I wore as a six 6 in the eighties! And yes, you could count my ribs because I was just that thin back then and not by any following of a diet. And I was STILL taunted ..... by all sorts of people including what society would consider the ideal man today. Now, I'm big, and there's taunting that goes on with that. Not all fat people are fat from eating enormous amounts of food just as not all skinny people are skinny from barfing or eating scant amounts of morsels. Wanna be different? Get educated people!! Bottom line, those who are so focused on weight are mere sheep allowing themselves to be led to the trough of societal bullshit.

SingleRarity -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 11:15:36 AM)
Hey Kittty, My tapeworm wants to be friends with your tapeworm. Let's set up a play date. ShaktiSama, Having someone wish death on me in a friggin' grocery store is not objecting to coorporate ideals, nor were some of the comments made in this post. You and a few others were the only one's to write out a logical argument. Many others were just making underhanded jabs.

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 11:18:09 AM)
is it better to be focused on weight....rather than to be focused on SEX???

SingleRarity -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 11:19:04 AM)
Sex is good. I like sex.

heartcream -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 1:04:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic May I hug you??? that was awesome:) Lucy Oh sure hug away, I can always use a good hug, thanks. To the person who said to go to a nudist colony, I dont think it is in me to do that. I am quite shy and well, it is not me, I dont think. Then again who knows? There are many things I thought I would, 'never' do and then have done them, to find out, hey no big deal. I was giving more thought about the Dove commercials and came to the same conclusion domiguy states here (his Awaiting Approval not allowing his good point being made to me when I last posted here.) These women are beautiful and not 'average' or a show of everyday women. The amount of air-brushing that goes on even with 'perfect' looking folks in advertising is really truly astounding. Heck, I am finding out how to mess around with iPhoto and found I could fuzz out wrinkles and stuff on my own pictures. Kind of scary how easy it is to click and erase a wretched looking line, spot or dis-colorization in a heart beat. I dont feel right about posting pictures I have done that to (then again I am looking for the most flattering pictures to post, the ones that hide or do not show as many imperfections) but I can see how entirely easy it is to do, and how much 'better' it looks after editing. I imagined standing in the mirror and clicking over the bits of my body I would want to 'erase'. Bottom line, I really would desire for myself, and all of us to find a heap more love and self acceptance for our bodies and all the rest of ourselves too.

ShaktiSama -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 1:09:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SingleRarity ShaktiSama, Having someone wish death on me in a friggin' grocery store is not objecting to coorporate ideals, nor were some of the comments made in this post. You and a few others were the only one's to write out a logical argument. Many others were just making underhanded jabs. I agree with you that the hostility that is directed at you personally, and at other women and girls who are thin (whether naturally OR unnaturally), is neither useful or justified. And although I didn't mention it directly, I also agree with your remarks about negative statements: I have personal tastes like anyone; I make an effort to state them always in the positive. I.e.: "I think blonde hair is pretty!", not "I hate brunettes--they look so coarse and common." On the other hand, by your own admission, the girl standing next to you in that grocery store was a bulimic. She was killing and torturing herself, locked in a potentially deadly struggle with a disease caused by her insane desire to be you. Don't you think that her suffering might indicate that there is a larger social problem, being caused by some fairly powerful force which should probably be resisted? How many people should torture themselves and die trying to be something that they are not, and can never be--namely, YOU? As for the rest--I was referring to the incident that occasioned this thread--the original post was about a corporate action and the protest that followed. I am sorry if you do not see the point I was making, but I think people are far, far better, more moral and more productive when going after a corporation that promotes a harmful standard of beauty than they are in verbally attacking two teenage girls in a grocery store--one of whom is a member of a minority which is simultaneously glorified and persecuted, the other of whom is suffering from a serious mental illness.

Lucylastic -> RE: size 0 haters- what's the deal? (2/10/2008 1:17:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heartcream quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic May I hug you??? that was awesome:) Lucy Oh sure hug away, I can always use a good hug, thanks. Bottom line, I really would desire for myself, and all of us to find a heap more love and self acceptance for our bodies and all the rest of ourselves too. I give good hug:) Lucy

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