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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/11/2008 9:30:56 PM   
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Interesting, a simple search revealed several international charges filed against Castro for murder and torture. Easy to act if something does not exist if you keep your eyes closed. Some people either look the other way, or are just lazy. That or they show their irrational hatred of the US when ever they get the chance.

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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/11/2008 9:31:20 PM   
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John McCain is a liar. He's an elected politician.... and Fidel Castro is an evil lying murdererous dictator.

muffdiverelite:
That "Ace McCain" is a liar and a cheat is well documented in his autobiography "Faith of my Fathers".
On the other hand could you tell me just whom Fidel murdered?  What precisely has he lied about? 
If he is a dictator how is it that a population that is fully armed has not revolted against him? 
How is it that the CIA  (which admits to several attempts on Fidel's life) has been unsuccessful in trying to murder him?
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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/11/2008 9:48:01 PM   
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LMAO......Castro is obviously trying to sway the latino vote away from McCain, but the VAST majority of latino's would vote for McCain just because Castro said "don't do it".

I'm not sure if the guy is an idiot against McCain or an intelligent McCain supporter.

muttling:
Are you suggesting that all Latinos in America are Cuban?
Are you suggesting that all Latinos in America are anti Castro?
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I was thinking more of the Florida, Georgia, etc. Latino community.   The rest of the nation really doesn't pay any attention to Castro and these comments will quickly be forgotten by any one other than these communities. 

Castro has been playing this game for decades, statements such as these are nothing new.

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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/11/2008 9:48:09 PM   
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Alumbrado:
I asked for some sort of proof of his allegations.  If you have some proof to offer please do.  If not ....then why the post?
You mention "brutal dictatorship" does this imply that there is a "benign dictatorship"?
thompson


The whole world knows the Beard is a tyranical murderer,
Really....the whole world?  You could not possibly know everyone in the whole world.

and I'd say he needs to prove nothing.  Where is your proof that he is not a brutal, murdering thug?
 I am not the one who called him a murdering thug.  I was asking him to prove his allegation.
Now I will ask you to prove your allegation.
Demanding that I prove something that I have not alleged is specious and more than a little asinine.

When people leave their home country in mass exodus since the Revolution, than that in and of itself is a revolt. 
Cuba has more people now than before Castro came to power.  A little over 6 million then a little over 11 million now. 

I know it's not as simplistic and wrapped up in a neat little, commie package for you.  But it doesn't take away from the truth that Castro has to force his best and brightest to stay in that shithole.
Clearly you have never been to that "shithole".  I have.

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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/11/2008 10:01:31 PM   
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Interesting, a simple search revealed several international charges filed against Castro for murder and torture. Easy to act if something does not exist if you keep your eyes closed. Some people either look the other way, or are just lazy. That or they show their irrational hatred of the US when ever they get the chance.

OrionTheWolf:
How about you post them up and show us what you have?
Why is it that you feel that anyone who disagrees with you automatically hates the U.S.?
No one says you hate the U.S. when you post something that does not toe the party line.
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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/11/2008 10:06:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Muttling

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

LMAO......Castro is obviously trying to sway the latino vote away from McCain, but the VAST majority of latino's would vote for McCain just because Castro said "don't do it".

I'm not sure if the guy is an idiot against McCain or an intelligent McCain supporter.

muttling:
Are you suggesting that all Latinos in America are Cuban?
Are you suggesting that all Latinos in America are anti Castro?
thompson









I was thinking more of the Florida, Georgia, etc. Latino community.   The rest of the nation really doesn't pay any attention to Castro and these comments will quickly be forgotten by any one other than these communities. 

Castro has been playing this game for decades, statements such as these are nothing new.

muttling:
First it was all Latinos, now it is only certain Latinos and all the other Latinos don't really count because you know them all and they told you.....Dang dude you get around.
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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/11/2008 11:19:16 PM   
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He was going with a colloquial hyperbole, not a logistical statement as should've been obvious by the opening, "LMAO".

Lighten up.

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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/11/2008 11:40:04 PM   
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The whole world knows the Beard is a tyranical murderer,
Really....the whole world?  You could not possibly know everyone in the whole world.

and I'd say he needs to prove nothing.  Where is your proof that he is not a brutal, murdering thug?
 I am not the one who called him a murdering thug.  I was asking him to prove his allegation.
Now I will ask you to prove your allegation.
Demanding that I prove something that I have not alleged is specious and more than a little asinine.

When people leave their home country in mass exodus since the Revolution, than that in and of itself is a revolt. 
Cuba has more people now than before Castro came to power.  A little over 6 million then a little over 11 million now. 

I know it's not as simplistic and wrapped up in a neat little, commie package for you.  But it doesn't take away from the truth that Castro has to force his best and brightest to stay in that shithole.
Clearly you have never been to that "shithole".  I have.


Well, I never claimed to know the whole world.  Of course, neither do you.  I do read mainstream periodicals, and I do know that the general consensus is that Castro is a tyrant.  But you believe what you want.  If you dig it there so much, get your shit together and move on down.

You often demand proof in these forums, as if anyone here owes you anything of the sort.  I didn't demand anything from you.  I could care less how much you admire this man.  He will always be a piece of shit in my book.  I think the majority of posters in this thread all agree that Castro is a thug.  He'll be dead soon, and we won't have to listen to him anymore.

Well, the entire world population has increased since 1961.  Most Cubans that were able to leave, did.  Poor, third world countries almost never have a problem with population increase.  There really isn't anything for the natives to do there but procreate.  They don't exactly get to share the same entertainment that tourists do.  But, since you have been there you know that right?  If you didn't know that, maybe you weren't paying attention to the fact that citizens aren't allowed in the hotels and restaurants that foreigners enjoy.  But, you're right I have never been there.  I have no desire to give my money to a corrupt, murdering, commie dictatorship.  I have never been to China, Vietnam, Laos, North Korea, or Burma either.

Like I said, if you hate it here so much and love these paradises so much than by all means move there. 

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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/12/2008 4:17:13 AM   
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I wonder if Castro realizes that his insults are almost endorsements.  Sorta like if Satan came out of Hell and started screaming, "Don't buy those rosaries!  Get the other ones!"


That is the weakness of the American public, they will believe in any fantasy as long as the accusation is made against anyone considered left wing.

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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/12/2008 4:19:21 AM   
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John McCain is a liar. He's an elected politician.... and Fidel Castro is an evil lying murdererous dictator.


Not as murderous as any American President you care to choose and if it wasn't for an oppressive murderous regime supported by America, there wouldn't have been a Cuban revolution or a President Castro.

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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/12/2008 4:28:51 AM   
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In case some of you don't remember - Cuba was run by a brutal fucked up US supported dictator when Castro began his push. Cuba was a playground for freaks and mafia dirt bags. At that time, it was the money laundering capitol of the world and a leading way station for illegal drugs entering the US. Teenage girls were forced into prostitution at the hotels for the whims of the gringo visitors. When it became apparant the Castro would win, our benevolent politicians told him he could take over as long as everyting remained the same. That's when Castro gave them the Bronx cheer.
Ever since then, it's been a game of 'wag the dog'..... the eeeeevil commies are out there .ooooooooooooooooooo.
The exiled Cuban crazies fantacise that they are going to 'return' Cuba to the past.... uh huh. They'll get back their land and re-open all the casinos -yep..... just what the Cubans need.
Why not cut the bullshit and re-establish ties?
Probably becasue the Cubans will not allow a mad rush of gringos down there trying to buy up land and overdevelop their island.

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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/12/2008 4:41:08 AM   
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The whole world knows the Beard is a tyranical murderer,
Really....the whole world?  You could not possibly know everyone in the whole world.

and I'd say he needs to prove nothing.  Where is your proof that he is not a brutal, murdering thug?
 I am not the one who called him a murdering thug.  I was asking him to prove his allegation.
Now I will ask you to prove your allegation.
Demanding that I prove something that I have not alleged is specious and more than a little asinine.

When people leave their home country in mass exodus since the Revolution, than that in and of itself is a revolt. 
Cuba has more people now than before Castro came to power.  A little over 6 million then a little over 11 million now. 

I know it's not as simplistic and wrapped up in a neat little, commie package for you.  But it doesn't take away from the truth that Castro has to force his best and brightest to stay in that shithole.
Clearly you have never been to that "shithole".  I have.


Well, I never claimed to know the whole world.  Of course, neither do you.  I do read mainstream periodicals, and I do know that the general consensus is that Castro is a tyrant.  But you believe what you want.  If you dig it there so much, get your shit together and move on down.

You often demand proof in these forums, as if anyone here owes you anything of the sort.  I didn't demand anything from you.  I could care less how much you admire this man.  He will always be a piece of shit in my book.  I think the majority of posters in this thread all agree that Castro is a thug.  He'll be dead soon, and we won't have to listen to him anymore.

Well, the entire world population has increased since 1961.  Most Cubans that were able to leave, did.  Poor, third world countries almost never have a problem with population increase.  There really isn't anything for the natives to do there but procreate.  They don't exactly get to share the same entertainment that tourists do.  But, since you have been there you know that right?  If you didn't know that, maybe you weren't paying attention to the fact that citizens aren't allowed in the hotels and restaurants that foreigners enjoy.  But, you're right I have never been there.  I have no desire to give my money to a corrupt, murdering, commie dictatorship.  I have never been to China, Vietnam, Laos, North Korea, or Burma either.

Like I said, if you hate it here so much and love these paradises so much than by all means move there. 


You have no proof of your accusation that Castro is a murdering thug because there is none. As for the exodus of Cubans, the US has had a mean, petty and bitter economic embargo on Cuba for decades. Cuba was not originally communist, US policy drove the leaders of Cuba into the communist camp with their anti-Cuba campaign. As always, the US government was motivated by the plight of the rich Cubans, not the plight of the poor Cubans. The US couldn't give a monkey's shit about poor Cubans, which was why the US backed regime was overthrown in the first place. Just like Iran!!!!!

As for the exodus of Cubans, how come you aren't concerned with the exodus of Mexicans? We know of course, Mexico kow tows to the US, Cuba doesn't.

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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/12/2008 5:15:30 AM   
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Interesting, a simple search revealed several international charges filed against Castro for murder and torture. Easy to act if something does not exist if you keep your eyes closed. Some people either look the other way, or are just lazy. That or they show their irrational hatred of the US when ever they get the chance.


Talking about looking the other way, why are you equally not condemning the waterboarding of prisoners in Guantanamo Bay (officially declared as torture by the Geneva Convention), or the United States (official) policy of CIA assassination that existed through the 60's, 70's and mid 80's?

I would condemn those things wherever they happened, not only in my own country but especially in my own country.


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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/12/2008 7:01:32 AM   
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But I have made my voice known to by Congressman and Senator concerning the violations of the Geneva Convention, so what the hell are you talking about?

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

~FR~

Interesting, a simple search revealed several international charges filed against Castro for murder and torture. Easy to act if something does not exist if you keep your eyes closed. Some people either look the other way, or are just lazy. That or they show their irrational hatred of the US when ever they get the chance.


Talking about looking the other way, why are you equally not condemning the waterboarding of prisoners in Guantanamo Bay (officially declared as torture by the Geneva Convention), or the United States (official) policy of CIA assassination that existed through the 60's, 70's and mid 80's?

I would condemn those things wherever they happened, not only in my own country but especially in my own country.



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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/12/2008 7:03:16 AM   
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Why don't you stop being lazy and do the research yourself. What good things have you posted about the US? If someone were to complain about their job all the time, the logical conclusion would be they hate their job. Also, what party line are you talking about?


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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

~FR~

Interesting, a simple search revealed several international charges filed against Castro for murder and torture. Easy to act if something does not exist if you keep your eyes closed. Some people either look the other way, or are just lazy. That or they show their irrational hatred of the US when ever they get the chance.

OrionTheWolf:
How about you post them up and show us what you have?
Why is it that you feel that anyone who disagrees with you automatically hates the U.S.?
No one says you hate the U.S. when you post something that does not toe the party line.
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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/12/2008 7:05:07 AM   
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It is ironic when one politician calls another one a liar. Who the hell cares what Castro says?

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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/12/2008 7:27:54 AM   
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The whole world knows the Beard is a tyranical murderer,
Really....the whole world?  You could not possibly know everyone in the whole world.

and I'd say he needs to prove nothing.  Where is your proof that he is not a brutal, murdering thug?
 I am not the one who called him a murdering thug.  I was asking him to prove his allegation.
Now I will ask you to prove your allegation.
Demanding that I prove something that I have not alleged is specious and more than a little asinine.

When people leave their home country in mass exodus since the Revolution, than that in and of itself is a revolt. 
Cuba has more people now than before Castro came to power.  A little over 6 million then a little over 11 million now. 

I know it's not as simplistic and wrapped up in a neat little, commie package for you.  But it doesn't take away from the truth that Castro has to force his best and brightest to stay in that shithole.
Clearly you have never been to that "shithole".  I have.


Well, I never claimed to know the whole world.  Of course, neither do you. 
I am not the one who stated "the whole world knows..." you are.


I do read mainstream periodicals, and I do know that the general consensus is that Castro is a tyrant. 
That would be the consensus of what you read and not the consensus of the whole world.  There is a difference.

But you believe what you want.
I do and I will continue to do so.

If you dig it there so much, get your shit together and move on down.
Would you please be so kind as to show me where I have stated that "I dig it so much"
All I have done is to question your poorly formulated and unsubstantiated rants against something about which you seem to have not a clue.
Instead of personal attacks why don't you confine your responses to the topic at hand?


You often demand proof in these forums, as if anyone here owes you anything of the sort.  I didn't demand anything from you.
When a poster (such as yourself) makes unsubstantiated claims it is incumbent on the poster to validate them.  I have not posted any such statements so you have nothing to demand proof of.

I could care less how much you admire this man.  He will always be a piece of shit in my book. 

It would appear that your book is neither published nor read by anyone besides you.
 
I think the majority of posters in this thread all agree that Castro is a thug. 
I am sure the list of the poorly educated parvenu is long.

He'll be dead soon, and we won't have to listen to him anymore.
So too will me and thee.


Well, the entire world population has increased since 1961.  Most Cubans that were able to leave, did.
Would you be willing to share with us the manner in which you arrived at this conclusion.  What percentage of the 6 plus million Cubans actually left Cuba?
 
Poor, third world countries almost never have a problem with population increase.  There really isn't anything for the natives to do there but procreate. 
You mean "dem po darkies got nuttin' to do but fuck and an eat watermellon" I do believe your cultural bias is beginning to show.
It might interest you to know that Cuba has the highest literacy rate in the world.  Would you hazard a guess as to the literacy rate in Arkansas?

They don't exactly get to share the same entertainment that tourists do.  But, since you have been there you know that right?  If you didn't know that, maybe you weren't paying attention to the fact that citizens aren't allowed in the hotels and restaurants that foreigners enjoy. 
I was stationed at Guantanamo and that is a long way from Havana.

But, you're right I have never been there.  I have no desire to give my money to a corrupt, murdering, commie dictatorship.  I have never been to China, Vietnam, Laos, North Korea, or Burma either.
I have not been to North Korea or Burma but I have been to the other places you mention.  The only passport I carried was a green suit and a gun.

Like I said, if you hate it here so much and love these paradises so much than by all means move there. 
Where have I stated that I hate it here?
Where have I stated that these countries are a paradise?
All I have done is ask you to validate your statements.  If you are unable to do so then it would stand that your statements are inaccurate.


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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/12/2008 7:30:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

~FR~

Interesting, a simple search revealed several international charges filed against Castro for murder and torture. Easy to act if something does not exist if you keep your eyes closed. Some people either look the other way, or are just lazy. That or they show their irrational hatred of the US when ever they get the chance.


Talking about looking the other way, why are you equally not condemning the waterboarding of prisoners in Guantanamo Bay (officially declared as torture by the Geneva Convention), or the United States (official) policy of CIA assassination that existed through the 60's, 70's and mid 80's?

I would condemn those things wherever they happened, not only in my own country but especially in my own country.



This is what happens when your glasses only look in one direction.

Anything else wouldn`t be "patriotic",would it?

A big difference between conservatives and liberals is conservatives view the US as an authority figure,to be obeyed and adored,like a parent or "Daddy".

For liberals,it`s the other way around.

Liberals view our country as a ward or offspring.To be guided and corrected when wrong and supported when right.Without guidance and responsible control, an UM is doomed to failure and trouble.The same goes for a nation.

The parent/UM analogy works well.

For a parent,real love,true love,is tough love.The kind of love that UMs need to be good,contributing,responsible,citizens.This is how liberals feel about government."We the people" run the house,not the other way around.

For an UM,their parents can`t do wrong,ever.The parents could be a thieves and murderers,and the UMs will still love and adore them,un-conditionally.

This is how conservatives view the US.They can`t and won`t question authority,and just like an UM who will defend even a murderous parent,their loyalty is completely blind.It`s "hard wired" and one reason why they ridicule others for questioning authority.

Ever meet a family where the parents let their UMs run wild and un-disciplined?

Spoiled and reckless with awful behaviors,you want to bitch slap the parents for being so irresponsible and for praising their UMs for being fuck -ups.God forbid you should say anything to the parents.Like conservatives who defend failure,those parents will attack you for criticizing them.

I`m hoping for some tough love on November 2.

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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/12/2008 7:35:21 AM   
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Why would I care what Castro thinks?

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RE: Castro calls John McCain a liar - 2/12/2008 8:04:12 AM   
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Why would I care what Castro thinks?

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