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AquaticSub -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 10:51:58 AM)

I very much understand not wanting to throw it in his face, having stood at the door and watched the man I love drive off many times. But I strongly feel there is a difference between throwing it in his face and acknowledging it. I also see what you are saying about where the guilt is coming from but it doesn't really change my mind about guilt in relationships.




softness -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 10:55:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

See, I think the guilt comes from an unspoken discussion related to "I've chosen to live here, you've chosen to live 300 miles away.  You've chosen a military life, I've chosen to work a daily job here.  You've chosen to put your immediate family ahead of our relationship.  To be together, one of us needs to be willing to sacrifice the life we already have, and neither of us are willing to do that.  Thus, we have to simply steal what hours and days we're able to steal, and carry on with our lives otherwise."

It's crappy.  It sucks donkey balls.  She doesn't want to throw that in his face, and have that be the last thought he has walking out the door, knowing she probably won't see him for at least another year, if ever.

It's not guilt about leaving; it's the guilt that leaving represents, that has nothing to do with what they share, everything to do with what they cannot share.

Stephan


 
 
what He said




Stephann -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 11:10:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

I very much understand not wanting to throw it in his face, having stood at the door and watched the man I love drive off many times. But I strongly feel there is a difference between throwing it in his face and acknowledging it. I also see what you are saying about where the guilt is coming from but it doesn't really change my mind about guilt in relationships.


I fully agree with your stance on guilt, just not as it might have applied in this particular case.

I refuse to feel guilty for who I am, what I do, or how I feel.  I'm happy to, and actively seek, to share those feelings with my partner. I couldn't be with someone who I can't share all of me.  The crux of this issue isn't 'if' but rather time & place.

Stephan

p.s. hangovers at noon on Wednesday are bad bad bad things.




AquaticSub -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 11:19:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

p.s. hangovers at noon on Wednesday are bad bad bad things.


 
I also completely understand that. [:'(]




Stephann -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 11:26:43 AM)

It was totally worth it though.  Did happy hour with charlotte and a couple, enjoyed WAY too many Dos Equis, and later enjoyed watching her crawl around showing off the new rings :D  I soooo love corrupting vanilla couples....

Stephan




AquaticSub -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 11:31:55 AM)

Damn it, you make me want Sat. night be here all the more. We get to go out and I get to use my new food dish! Course we still don't get to play until the doctor gives me the all clear. Silly owners and their "I don't want to risk anything messing up your wounds".... [;)]




CalifChick -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 11:32:02 AM)

FR

What struck a chord with me was that he said, "I will stay if you ask me to".  He was putting the entire decision onto you, and that (IMO) was not right.  That's a heavy load to carry.  Not being in the situation, and not knowing how clearly I would be thinking, I cannot say for certain that I would tell him it was not my decision to make, and how I felt about it, but I can always hope I would.

Cali




KatyLied -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 1:03:58 PM)

I wonder what happened with the brother....




softness -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 2:43:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I wonder what happened with the brother....


he got beats ... and not the fun ones




Evility -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 4:37:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: softness
He even said, I will stay if you ask me to.


I'm in an LDR. We get to see each other far more frequently than you two do - every other weekend on average. Still, the time always seems too short. On occasion we've had to cut our weekends short due to family matters. It happens. The bottom line is that if we can stay, we stay. If we have to go we have to go. There isn't any hemming and hawing about it.

Quite frankly I thought his comment was.... a cheap shot. If you have to leave, do so. If it's not an emergency and you can stay, stay. Don't play these "If you ask me to" games. I cannot tell you how much that would piss me off if that was said to me. Total game playing in my book.






softness -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 4:43:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Evility

quote:

ORIGINAL: softness
He even said, I will stay if you ask me to.


I'm in an LDR. We get to see each other far more frequently than you two do - every other weekend on average. Still, the time always seems too short. On occasion we've had to cut our weekends short due to family matters. It happens. The bottom line is that if we can stay, we stay. If we have to go we have to go. There isn't any hemming and hawing about it.

Quite frankly I thought his comment was.... a cheap shot. If you have to leave, do so. If it's not an emergency and you can stay, stay. Don't play these "If you ask me to" games. I cannot tell you how much that would piss me off if that was said to me. Total game playing in my book.



*smiles* ...Luckily .... He is nothing like that




Evility -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 4:46:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: softness
*smiles* ...Luckily .... He is nothing like that.


If you quoted him accurately he is exactly like that.

*smiles back*





softness -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 4:52:45 PM)

Evility, after 13 years, I think that I know Him a little better than you.

I know the look on His face at the time, and the beat of His heart as He said it. I know He doesn't play any games with me.

I am sorry that obviously someone has done so with you.




CalifChick -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 4:54:27 PM)

Then what is it softness, if not a shifting of responsibility onto you?  I wouldn't say it's a game, but I would say it's a cop-out.  YOU say "please stay" and he stays... YOU smile and say nothing and he goes.  Where is HIS responsibility in that decision??

Cali




DesFIP -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 5:05:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

Then what is it softness, if not a shifting of responsibility onto you?  I wouldn't say it's a game, but I would say it's a cop-out.  YOU say "please stay" and he stays... YOU smile and say nothing and he goes.  Where is HIS responsibility in that decision??

Cali



Bingo! If he's the dominant in the relationship, then shoving the decision, the guilt and everything else on you doesn't show him to advantage.




softness -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 5:11:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

Then what is it softness, if not a shifting of responsibility onto you?  I wouldn't say it's a game, but I would say it's a cop-out.  YOU say "please stay" and he stays... YOU smile and say nothing and he goes.  Where is HIS responsibility in that decision??

Cali



What is wrong with giving me the responsibility for that decision? .. I was the one who was being left, why shouldn't it be me who makes it? as I have said, we are not in a power exchange

My whole reason for this thread was to show that sometimes it is the submissive sometimes needs to carry the strain, sometimes needs to make the tough decision.

I dont believe He asked the question in seriousness, HE was not copping out, He was seeking my agreement. The question was ... if anything rhetorical. That is not playing a game in my book




CalifChick -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 5:21:56 PM)

I must have misunderstood by you referring to yourself as the submissive; I missed the part about the no power exchange.  I won't argue the semantics of terms you use in your relationship (cuz that would take this off in a whole 'nother direction), just clarifying why I thought it was pretty shitty of him to do. 

Cali




softness -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 6:04:03 PM)

CalifChick

Am not going to getting into a debate, mainly because there is nothing to debate, you have your opinions from the outside, I have my knowledge from the inside. Am sorry it confuses you because our relationship doesn't tick all of your boxes.

be well, and feel free to debate semantics any time .. lively discussion is very healthy!





LaMspeach -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 7:38:07 PM)

Thanks you for sharing, soft. Your post is something I have struggled with in the past.  Master and I do not live together so there are times when one of us has to leave or plans get changes. Master counts on me to be able to handle it and be strong. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t know how I feel, or he can’t tell by the look in my eyes that I am disappointed. It means that I hand him his coat and kiss him good bye and he can walk out that door  knowing I will be ok. If he has an emergency the last think I want him to have to worry about is me. No it isn’t always easy but it is always rewarding. In the end He knows I am ok and waiting for his return, more in love with him then ever




softness -> RE: being strong ... holding it together (2/13/2008 7:42:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaMspeach

Thanks you for sharing, soft. Your post is something I have struggled with in the past.  Master and I do not live together so there are times when one of us has to leave or plans get changes. Master counts on me to be able to handle it and be strong. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t know how I feel, or he can’t tell by the look in my eyes that I am disappointed. It means that I hand him his coat and kiss him good bye and he can walk out that door  knowing I will be ok. If he has an emergency the last think I want him to have to worry about is me. No it isn’t always easy but it is always rewarding. In the end He knows I am ok and waiting for his return, more in love with him then ever


thats beautiful peach .. thankyou for understanding




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