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lovingpet -> RE: Love thyself? (2/16/2008 8:42:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

I have a friend who said to me at one time that she cannot love herself unless she loves someone else first. I like the feelings I felt when she said that, I like the slant on it, the different perspective.


Yeah, yeah, I'm still here...I just couldn't pass this pearl by.

When we care for others, we learn a lot about ourselves, good and bad.  It is a catharsis that occurs when our hand reaches out to another in love, support, help, or rescue.  It seems to bring about a real and immediate crisis of character that we address without delay because we do not want a serious flaw in ourselves to harm someone who is already vulnerable about whom we already have such strong feelings.

This is a perceptive statement and one with real psychological and social merit.  There is a lot to be gained by an individual who chooses to volunteer and otherwise help others.  There is a lot of character growth and development that comes from others' joys and suffering.

Off to Bed (for real this time),
lovingpet 




MzMia -> RE: Love thyself? (2/16/2008 8:44:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

I have a friend who said to me at one time that she cannot love herself unless she loves someone else first. I like the feelings I felt when she said that, I like the slant on it, the different perspective. Intent to love oneself will bring a person far, I feel. I dont 100% 'love' myself all time. I wrestle on a daily basis in my attempt to embrace all aspects of me. I have some ancient imprints I have swallowed hook-line-and-sinker from so long ago. These judgements and imprints affect me without me even realizing it much of the time. I am in a process. I am much more compassionate and understanding of myself and others than I was years ago.

As much as most people have denied themselves in so many ways, we have also denied our greatness. It is a process to reclaim ourselves back to ourselves, it is a real adventure.

To Love our neighbour as we love ourselves, is an interesting phrase which can be deciphered in numerous ways.


Can you tell I LOVE this topic?
I love and will love certain people with every breath I take.
In fact, the love I have for some people leaves me breathless.
  
But if I did not love myself deep down, I would not be able to even make it from day to day.
So yes, for me loving myself and being in love with myself is the reason I am still probably alive.
 
One of my favorite lines of all times is Celie from the Color Purple, it is " I'm poor, black, I may even be ugly, but dear GOD I'm here, I'm here!" 


As long as "I'm here", I am going to love myself to death.[:D]
Time to go do another happy dance.[sm=mrpuffy.gif]  
 Love really never ends.  [:D]




Bound2One -> RE: Love thyself? (2/16/2008 8:59:11 PM)

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Personally, while I think quite well of myself, and like myself immensely... having someone LOVE me helps me to see myself through their eyes..and come to love myself. Does that make sense?


That makes perfect sense to me. GreedyTop.  I like your wording and have to agree!

I do think if someone has very low self-esteem it's going to be hard for them to believe that someone loves them deeply - they may not feel they deserve the better things in life, including love. 




kittykat86 -> RE: Love thyself? (2/16/2008 10:16:28 PM)

I'm loved in spite of myself. I'm loved despite my crippling self-esteem and issues with self-worth. I'm loved even though I don't think I deserve it. I'm loved almost unconditionally by a few of my closest friends. So I've never expected to be loved, and yet I can't deny that I am. It's one of those things that stands in the way of me thinking I'm completely without worth. I need more of these things, as logic and reason should eventually win out (I hope) against my insistance on believing things about myself that are just not true (and can't be true).

The statement "If you don't love yourself, you can't expect someone else to love you" is misleading. If you don't love yourself you don't expect anyone else to love you, it's not something that really factors into your thought process. Yes, I have wanted to be loved becaues I didn't love myself, and I wanted someone to love me enough for the both of us, but I never expected it because I never thought I deserved it. I think the emphesis on the validity of this statement is on the word 'expect'.




Reflectivesoul -> RE: Love thyself? (2/16/2008 11:25:04 PM)

~fast reply~
 
I believe that you have to have some amount of self love, to be able to appreciate the things about yourself that are grand, and to be able to accept the things about yourself that you may not be fond of. I had this discussion just the other day with a friend of mine on yahoo. He projects a very negative self image, closes himself off from others contact, be it physical, mental, or emotional, he just projects some very negative energy about himself.
 
These are some snippets of what I told him...
 
what you look like and how you feel about yourself is a vital part of what you project to others and its a vital part of what makes you, you and unique.
 
 ( he hates mirrors and while this next snippet may sound like useless drivvel it helped him and thats what I figured counted )
 
I'm semi vain, I like the mirror, I love to stand there and oogle at myself when I know I look good. now on days where I could give a shit less and my hairs a mess and I feel a mess, me and the mirror have a good agreement, I wont break it and it wont come make me look at it. the mirror is a tricky thing, you gotta find some time that YOU feel good about being YOU and thats when you go to that miorror and give it a good what for...and when you give that mirror a good whatfor, stop and look at yourself, and remind yourself that this is you, this is who you are, and that you look good and you feel good, and then that mirror it'll keep showing you that every time you come back...and like me, when you have a day that you just dont want to see that mirror, just make a pact that it wont haunt you, and you wont throw it out the window.. you'll feel much better *nods*
~next snippet D/s aside~
you only get one life, you only get to ever truly please one person and thats yourself, dont waste this one life by trying to fit into anyone elses percieved notions of what you should be, you'll waste your whole life aiming for a goal you'll never reach
 
how can you expect to be happy with someone else, when you dont like yourself? the acceptance that you want from everyone else first has to come from yourself...everyone in this world could accept you for you, but it wouldnt matter because you still dont accept you.
 
Ok I could post about 500 more lines from that convo but this was the gist of what I told him, and by the end of the convo he felt a lot better and he went off on a soul searching weekend, he's supposed to let me know how it goes on monday.  ( I left his snippets out as I havent talked with him tonight and I wont post that without his permission, that'd be wrong )




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 12:28:35 AM)

I think the phrase is, "you can't love someone until you love yourself." Until we love ourselves, what I have observed is that we often have a negative attachment to someone else, hence jealousy and whatnot predominate because we need someone to love us. Your phrase, in my opinion, reflect this "need". We often wait for someone to love us in order to convince us we are worthy of love. The only problem with that is what they stop loving us, even for the briefest time in our minds, our world crumbles.

Master Fire




Justme696 -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 1:37:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

Its been said..."If you don't love yourself, you can't expect someone else to love you."
I think I disagree with this....I mean, I don't LOVE myself....heavy like maybe. [;)] Now I get the meaning of that saying....but I think more accurate might be...Its easier for someone to love you, if you love yourself.
Thoughts?...




Even though I am a DOm...i can put myself completely aside to make some ones life pleasant (in a not BDSM way). Their happyness makes me feel well.
Although the last time....I pushed this to far and lost over view...and my goodness was more or less used for the wrong reasons.
So it is good to love yourself some..to keep your head clean...and not just love the other.
I wouldn't say it is needed..to love yourself....but it is wise to accept yourself...and love yourself enough..to not get hurt..to be stable...to know when to stop loving the other..and correct the relation....to not accept all

mmm ..hope this makes sense




MistressVnus -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 2:51:57 AM)

I think it goes a little more like..."How can you love someone else, if you can't even love yourself."
At least that's the way I learned it.  And, when said that way, I think it has a completely different connotation and is a bit more accurate.




adoracat -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 5:51:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl
well like i said..i dont hate myself..i just dont think i love myself.  simply put, i hate my life situation.  there is no possible way out of the circle that i am currently in.  what it does to me is kill any positive thinking because i cant get out of a rut.  it is what happens when your left isolated and without friends.  when your disabled and have no real income.  those two things alone if they were different, i certainly would be different.  having things to do is important.
it helps the esteem because your being productive.  it makes you happy.  my energy level is almost completely gone because of my health.  nothing can be done to fix it until they finally decide to get my surgery done.  (6th one)  its been delayed now 13 yrs and should have been done in 1994 (10 yrs after my 5th surgery).  but well i wont get into it more...its more for a private msg.



*hugs you and cries*  very similar emotional circumstances, and i'm sorry that you are going through this too.

kitten




LadyHathor -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 6:22:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WingedSnake

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ORIGINAL: SirJohnMandevill

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Hard to be a Dom if you lack confidence.

Les (Purveyor of Fine, handcrafted Kink)


This should be true, but on the other hand, there is a fair number of people who will try to use (mostly without or only with temporary success) being a dominant to fill a confidence void.


WingedSnake, that statement is SO true, and I believe more true than people realize---I find that in this life, many people either try to procure ( Dominant) or secure ( submissive)--a spot at the relationship table--as a means to hide one's self behind---many people take the Dominant role to mask a lack of self confidence---becoming domineeering which is so not the same thing at all.
 
I beleieve one must have a kinship with one's self--an appreciation for their finer qualities, an acknowledgement of the not so fine ones and a plan to change what can be changed--and a commitment to do so--it is then we bring the best to the other person, it is then we do not bring the steamer trunk of drama to a relationship.




eyesopened -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 6:45:15 AM)

Surely there are things to be thankful for in even the more dire circumstances.  Although it's really hard sometimes, to begin each day with a "Thank You" and then seeking something to be thankful for.  Once the mind is conditioned to actively seek the positive, however tiny, the results can be life-changing. 

i have not always loved myself or felt worthy to receive love from others.  It took the blind acceptance of love from others to convince me i could love myself.  Once i accepted that i am loveable i discovered more people could love me.  Amazing how that works.




lateralist1 -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 6:58:58 AM)

Lots of great comments. Thankyou all.
Faerytatoodgirl you are actually extremely productive.
Everything you write on these message boards helps someone else.
You set a wonderful example to us all.
I have never heard you angry, aggresive or overly full of self pity.
You could perhaps work from home on the PC or telephone for limited hours.
However it may not be a good idea in your particular circumstances.
I hope you have access to reliable information about how to change your circumstances.
Sounds like you need a good advocate.





breatheasone -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 7:09:56 AM)

Thanks for everyones comments....I know that I didn't get that quote exactly right and I'm sorry about that.




TysGalilah -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 8:10:53 AM)

For me, it is  more accurate to say that I beleive I cannot give someone else what I dont already possess.  Including my love of self.

Am I totally in love with everything about me?  cha'right..not hardly...but I have grown to a place where I can have healthy and balanced relationships BECAUSE  I now  validate myself, take good care of myself, respect myself and know what it feels like to be disrepected and deam it unacceptable.

Can I love or did I love before, while I didn't love myself?  yes.!
I did... But I also was in constant doubt of that other persons "love" for me. I never "believed" their words, because I evidently didnt see myself as lovable or worthy of anothers love for me, first.   The lines blurred all too often between what was emeshment and concern/caring for. 
I loved with all my heart.  and that was the problem > I loved others more than they loved themselves and more than I loved myself.
The word Love and Need  blurred too often> going both ways actually. 

So, I do beleive one has to have the ability to embrace themselves and validate that they are lovable and deserve to feel  much love from within for self.. 


as a sidebar
its been my observation >
that abusers and users find their victims by identifying those that have lack of sense of self worth.  NEEED others to feel like they are valuable and cared for.  not cared about  but cared FOR.   Neediness  ( as in validation ) is a dangerous, vulnerable place to live in.   When you love yourself, you don't let others love you for the wrong reason & you can love them without neediness....not  needing them to love you in return.

As the S-type in this WIIWD > I feel its crucial to  HAVE first  what we desire to give away/submit:
control ( self)
independance/ability to take care of oneself
respect
self truth  or  self-trust.
and certainly strength ( emotional ).

imo opinion
it is what separates what I do and give when I serve/submit to another> from abusive, needy, co-dependant situations/relationships...






hardbodysub -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 8:29:40 AM)

I do NOT think it's impossible to love others without loving yourself. There are plenty of loving, caring people who for one reason or another have not been able to accept themselves.

On the other hand, I think that self-loathing individuals are probably more readily inclined to dislike others.





Maya2001 -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 9:14:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

what if you have a desire to change...(which i do).... but you can not change (which i cant)...because of your situation.... my health and my income for instance prevent me from changing my current living state... i want to live in my own apt and not have to rent in a townhouse with roomy's.  privacy is important.

i want to work...but i cant because of my health.  being productive is very important and income is very important.  i have never worked in my life and never can.  due to my heart condition. 

just 2 simple scenarios.




sometimes people put up their own roadblocks in life,  in certain ways I have done it myself in the past

  for example you just stated you can never work, you have a mind that functions, you stated before you did modeling, you have an education, you are computer literate, you are functional enough to serve as a sub to someone.  yes you maybe disabled but it does not mean you cannot work, it does mean finding fields of work that will work with your limitations, I have a 25% disability from an injury that occured   16 years ago during the first 6 years of was far more disabled than now but still worked  and have continued to work and supported and raised a child.   I used to have a business partner some 22 years ago who had cerebral palsy, his parents when they realized as a baby dumped him in childrens aids  he grew up being told he was mentally retarded as well since he had serious speech impediments as well,  had attempted suicide several times  thinking he was a burden as a teenager finally enough anger built up and he decided to show the world he was not a mental and physical cripple, the first signs of him starting to love himself... he started to learn to fight and work his body, overtime built enough strength to get to the point where he was able to gain mobility, using crutches and braces, the staff at  CAS started to realize also he had the capability and serious desire to learn, went into speech therapy and started school, by the time at met him  he was working on his masters degree he doing social work and  computer sciences   which  is where we had partnered up to create a computer program for the Waterloo Country School Board to handle special education a lot of our work was then used to create for the province.  The point was he far more disabled and had more handicaps in life then you have to start building himself a life to make himself independent.  Even at the time I met him he was still  frustrated and angry at time  against the prejudices he faced daily being called a mental retard,  and a body that had to fight with to make   co-operate,  but he learned to love  himself enough not to give up.  He also had to fight with a government system that did not have close to the benefits of providing aid as we have today to help disabled people become  educated and learn to live independently.  When I ended up injury my spine I had 2 options fusing the spine from my neck to below my shoulder blades which would have left me with far great disability but would have eased the pain or try heavy chiro care which end being 2 to 3 times a week for 3 years plus several physio therapy sessions I choose the latter even though it meant having to persist with very intense pain on a 24/7 basis and constant headaches  and it took 7 years to get to 75%  functionality  and seems to have continued to improve since with gradually work/activitiy  hardening, I even develop fibromyalgia, and even that I have learned to fight against all thorugh this I was also a single parent raising a child alone  because I learned an important lesson from my former business partner, the biggest handicaps is not the of body but in the mind.   I know my injury does not compare to your health problems but my former partner had far more obstacles than what you have, starting out as a wheelchair bound, illiterate child with serious speech problem who was believed to be incapable of learning, so was denied an education .  Even using a computer for him is difficult due stiff muscles in his hands, and fingers that make them deformed looking  and   serious muscle spasms that cause very jerky movements, so keying anything into the computer takes him several times longer that the average person. 

There are several type of jobs that can be done with your handicaps especially in computer fields that could allow you to work from home, even training and schooling can be done from a computer online at homeand would allow flexibility in hours,  there are goverment grants and loans to help cover the costs of going to school and retraining, so the help and work is there and available but you have to want it bad enough to seek it out and love yourself enough to fight for to better yourself, sometimes pushing you ownself to your limits and sometimes even beyond instead of laying down in defeat in victim menality mode.




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 9:30:23 AM)

ya i did modeling in my teen years.  it wasnt work.  it was just being in different positions posing.  its not something a person can live on.  there is no health coverage, no dental coverage.  no contract.  it was freelance back in the late 80's in california that i did for about 1.5 years.   i was able to do it and live because i lived with someone who didnt need rent money or food money since he was already an established actor. to me work = 9-5 job with benefits and possible promotions.  not something that is unpredictable and doesnt last.  plus those 9-5er's what happens if i get fired? or more likely-get sick?  cant find work after? think i'd get on disability again?

i have no schooling what so ever, i was in the hospital up until age 16 practically non stop (4 heart surgery by 14).  i have maybe a grade 11 at most.

computer field jobs require many hours of work.  stress is a major issue for me.
if i have to meet demands and dont make them in time..i can get ill quite quickly and even heart attack.  they also require schooling which i can not afford and gov't only pays a % of.  trust me i have thought of this and many other scenarios.  health wise? im 37 but i feel 77 because of my heart.

i have a good income to live on right now. i dont want to jeapordize it.  it covers my health and dental.  it is like having a 20k/yr job.  but 20k is fairly low here.




Padriag -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 9:39:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

Its been said..."If you don't love yourself, you can't expect someone else to love you."
I think I disagree with this....I mean, I don't LOVE myself....heavy like maybe. [;)] Now I get the meaning of that saying....but I think more accurate might be...Its easier for someone to love you, if you love yourself.
Thoughts?...



My observation has been that people can and will love a person whether they love themself or not.  However, if a person can't love themself, it can be very difficult for them to accept that anyone else loves them.

Respect is another one.  A person who doesn't respect themself will have difficulty accepting the respect of anyone else.  Also, a person who doesn't respect themself generally won't be able to truly respect anyone else.

These little truths of human behavior have very much impacted my hiring practices, my choices in romantic and kinky partners, even who I am friends with.




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 10:44:28 AM)

just wanted to add..that i hope i dont sound angry/mad/frustrated..etcetc.
its just been a life long experience of mine and am now in a circle...dont think that i do not appreciate anything that has been said.... because i do appreciate it.
i only wish my health was getting better..and not worse.  it would get ALOT better if they finally did the surgery i was supposed to have in 1994.

but for now...so i dont hijak any longer or get warnings... talk with me in private instead.




awakenednj -> RE: Love thyself? (2/17/2008 11:07:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MissHarlet

My feelings have always been "To be respected you must be respectful, to be trusted you must be willing to trust and to Love you must be willing to Love."

I dont always love myself but have LIKED myself almost always ... and think that I have allowed others to love me as I have loved so many in so many ways.   I still strive to like more about myself on a daily basis as I dont like parts of me ...but that is another thread entirely !!!!


I think of love as a verb. There may be many things I do not like about myself, but because I continue to care for myself I am loving myself. I love my family to death but i don't always like them. I will however always be there for whatever they need and I know that the reverse is true. I don't have gushy feelings for myself... but why should that discount love?

Understand though- that this is a thought I have come to after much introspection. I did not always see it that way- although perhaps i should have.




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