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Orgasm On Demand - 7/12/2004 10:41:32 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		I have trained my new slave to cum on my command. I have done this with two other slaves in the past. I don't believe it is that common, but I can't say for sure.
My question is, is this possible in a vanilla relationship? In my opinion, I don't believe that a vanilla woman could give that deeply of herself to have this happen. As it has been quite awhile since I have been in a vanilla relationship, I had never even thought to make a woman do this back then. So maybe it is possible. Any thoughts on this?
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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/12/2004 11:05:03 PM   
Leonidas


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Status: offline 		On command? Nah. On request, maybe. [Laughing]

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/12/2004 11:08:37 PM   
innocentangel


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Status: offline 		well, in my vanilla relationship i agree, that i could never give myself so much as to be able to cum on demand......i would need his guidance to reach that point in our sexual relationship, and well, he doesn't get 'that' involved in our sexual relationship to achieve that. though there was a time in my life when i was able to come on demand for a Certain Someone (whom i won't mention), and am sure that if given the chance, probably still could.

pure innocence~ LOL
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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/13/2004 4:20:58 AM   
LadyAngelika


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring
I have trained my new slave to cum on my command.
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Any thoughts on this?


Very cool Estring. Actually, I have a question.

I'm curious how you accomplish to get a girl to cum on command. I've heard of it most certainly. Is this to cum on command at the time you want during a sexual or bdsm activity or could it be like "here is she is pushing the grocery cart and on your order *splooge*".

I also wonder how common it is for Dom/mes to train male subs to cum on command and if that works. From my own experience, I know I have trained male subs to get erections on demand. Usually I just had to give them *that look*. It works on female subs as well, where there were definitely signs of excitement.

But to have a total orgasm right there and then? I'd be interested to know what kind of training is involved, etc.

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/13/2004 8:47:32 AM   
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quote:

Is this to cum on command at the time you want during a sexual or bdsm activity or could it be like "here is she is pushing the grocery cart and on your order *splooge*".



The answer to both questions...is "Yes."

The training methods I use are to simply bring a girl to the very edge of orgasm...and keep her there, denying it to her..hearing her beg... then taking her back down. Then doing it again... and back down...and again... I keep this up for maybe an hour or two, denying the orgasm, but keeping hope alive for the dear girl. Finally, when I allow her to have her orgasm, I will give her the command that was arranged prior to the start of training that indicates that she may cum. In this case, "*splooge*". she cums...she's a happy lil girl...then we do it again...and again. Maybe not all in one session. The training takes patience. What you are basically doing is developing a Pavlovian response. (Bell rings...dog drools, but in this case Master snaps fingers, girl creams her jeans.)

Now as far as doing this to males. I think that may be far more difficult, but only because of the way we are wired for sex. I know that for many women, sex starts in the head, so it is far easier to program a woman to cum on command. Men seem to need a little more in the physical stimulation department. But honestly, I have never played with a man. Maybe one of the Femdoms has some insight as for how men can cum on command?

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/13/2004 9:43:30 AM   
Voltare


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Status: offline 		Thorns has a good handle on this subject, methinks. In my experiences, the key was making her beg...denying....making her beg more...denying, cycle repeated a few times. It helps when you're forcing her to do it to herself, i.e. with a vibrator, dildo, fingers, etc - with the key being on her doing what she likes otherwise (I really don't know any slaves in my experiences who couldn't make themselves orgasm.)

The key is making it clear that they came from the tone of demand in my voice. After a few sessions like this, the next step is as soon as they start to orgasm, DEMAND they remove their hands/vibrator/etc. They've already crossed the threshold - and started orgasming without stimulation. This, to me, is critical. For more difficult slaves, you can have her squeezing her nipples, and flexing her hips - but no clitoral or vaginal stimulation. Once the slave learns to orgasm, without stimulation to the vagina or clitoris, the training to orgasm on command becomes a relatively simple task.

While this all may sound bizzare, keep in mind that 90% of sex is between the ears. If a woman wants to orgasm badly enough - she will. The key is teaching her how.

And, like Thorns said, I don't have much experience with teaching other men. I read it had something to do with pulling the testicles down right before orgasm to make him wait longer...and finally letting them back up while making the demand. But that's just heresay on my part, I've no real urge to find out for myself ;)

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/13/2004 10:06:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Very cool Estring. Actually, I have a question.



I'm with Angelika. I have trained one slave to cum when I counted her down from 10. It was a long, and quite enjoyable process, and the first time it worked was such a rush.

My basic process was the understand how she masturbated and get her to verbalize the states while touching herself. I learned her noises and states so I could recognize where she was in the process.

I would then work on her getting to the point of orgasm and then forcing her to put it off until I gave permission (which I would do after counting down from 10). She would be able to touch herself the entire time.

We next worked on only allowing touching until the point she was just about to come. I would count down from 10 while she did not touch herself, at zero, she would be allowed to orgasm. (This one took a few tries.)

Next we moved to just a little touching in the very beginning and then the count down.

Finally it was just the count down.

I was never able to get it to just a word, though I really didn't try that hard. The count down was rather cool in my mind.

So please, share your process....

Yours,
Taggard

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/13/2004 11:00:24 AM   
ThornBlood


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Status: offline 		It really depends on the submissive in my experience. I am sure that quite a few could be trained in that area but it is normally said to take a good six months.. Again.. bring them to the peak, fingers vibe, etc... Stop..Step away.. keep expanding the time longer and longer on stepping away. I've heard the average is about 6 months or so. Heh.. sure is fun practicing.

My one experience in this was with one that would react to my voice and get excited. It is truly amazing to hear a sharp intake of a breath just at the sound and sight of your voice. Very powerful and lovely. After a month or so, she could actually orgasm without my even touching her. She was truly exceptional.

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/13/2004 11:04:58 AM   
Voltare


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Status: offline 		I guess I should mention, it depends on how suggestible the slave is. Some women have taken a few months to train, and a couple could get the trick in a matter of hours. I think the amount of force applied (mental/emotional not physical) has a great deal to do with the amount of time required as well.

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/13/2004 11:19:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		well, the Dom of my acquaintance does it a bit differently. He would watch me, and when He saw that i was beginning to orgasm, He would order me to cum. after a while of this, and not all that long either, i got to the point where i could meet Him at the door and He could say 'cum' and i would.

*chuckle* thank goodness He has enver done it to me in public!

lita {Tshai}

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/13/2004 11:39:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know of a sub were she gave her self a comand to orgasm on command. This is so deep that she can not even read the command in print without having the orgasm. I think she did this before she was in the lifestyle but I could not say for sure. I also know a Dom whose sub will orgams on command with his own voice to triger it. So any thing is possiable.

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/13/2004 1:15:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		i would be most interested in hearing the male perspective on this. i am a submissive male and have been striving for this for some time. i am at a point where i can maintain an erection almost indefinitly. i can also reach orgasm almost any time with a little notice and encouragement (this can be verbal). .....it really comes down to the fact that i find my Mistress' voice and the entire idea of comign for her pleasure so erotic i can mentally push myself to orgasm but i would like to hear others perspectiv eon this

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/13/2004 11:13:44 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		Angelika, Thorns, Taggard and Voltare pretty much do the same as I did. I made her play and forbid her to cum unless I said so. If she failed, she was punished. The funny thing is, now we have discovered that she cannot cum without my being involved. She has to hear my voice. She says it is as if her body obeys me now instead of her. Smart body.

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/13/2004 11:35:50 PM   
Voltare


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Status: offline 		Heh... good call, Estring.

For all the subs/slaves in terror of becoming trained to one person, and will be stuck that way forever, take heart that if the relationship ends, you'll be able to go back to 'normal' a few months later i.e. orgasm without being instructed to.

I think the quote from Anias's Cousin fits here - about abnormal desires replacing normal ones. Fortunately, it works both ways, for those of us who don't have a play partner on tap 24/7

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/14/2004 4:58:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't trained anyone yet, but I did know someone who trained himself to cum when he desired it. When we were together, we could go on for a long time before cuming, and he would always ask me, do you want me to cum yet? When i said no, he kept going but the minute I said yes, he would cum right away.

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/14/2004 7:05:41 PM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: Estring
Angelika, Thorns, Taggard and Voltare pretty much do the same as I did. I made her play and forbid her to cum unless I said so. If she failed, she was punished. The funny thing is, now we have discovered that she cannot cum without my being involved. She has to hear my voice. She says it is as if her body obeys me now instead of her. Smart body.


Sounds like a project! I hope you Domly ones won't mind if I come back for tips ;)

- LA

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/15/2004 2:12:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is a good fantasy, and for those who are easily orgasmic, I suppose it's an attainable fantasy. But for those of us who aren't easily orgasmic, I guess it's something to help keep us going.

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/15/2004 4:31:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kiki blue
It is a good fantasy, and for those who are easily orgasmic, I suppose it's an attainable fantasy. But for those of us who aren't easily orgasmic, I guess it's something to help keep us going.


Do you think then kiki, that something like this could help you become *more* orgasmic? (Or is that what you meant by *help keep us going*).

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/15/2004 4:40:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Do you think then kiki, that something like this could help you become *more* orgasmic? (Or is that what you meant by *help keep us going*).


I think that it's a nice fantasy, and one day, would like it to happen. At the moment, the 'pressure' to perform would be more hindrance than help, and keeping it in the realm of fantasy than as a workable goal could possibly help move it along.

Of course, tackling the underlying problems that make orgasm hard would be helpful, though possibly just as hard.

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RE: Orgasm On Demand - 7/15/2004 10:46:14 AM   
Voltare


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Status: offline 		kiki,

I think you hit the nail on the head. If there is a psychological barriar to orgasm in the first place, the sort of 'training' involved with orgasm on command will either make it much easier, or much harder to attain.

Having said that, the body seems to (in my opinion) be quite resiliant in fighting the minds barriers - it *wants* to enjoy that orgasm. I've only known one woman in my experiences who just couldn't reconcile her psychological barriers, and they were pretty severe.

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