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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 12:26:52 AM

heartcream

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Ooooh another grammar thread, how exciting. When I came here I knew not what I did. For one thing, I went into a chatroom and it seemed to me at the time, that they were pretty much all doing the W/we thing. I joined in then because it felt weirder for me not to. When I saw I could easily drop it, I let it go and didnt look back.

If someone writes in the style of caps or no, or slashes, I can certainly sometimes read it, and dig it when the content--the centre of it pulses.

Me, I like writing that has some chewing on it to be done. Sometimes that happens with so few words. Ultimately, I feel writing is about more than how well we spell, or how to place punctuation, we may not be a grammarian, and know all the uses and terms (which are super-cool.) I feel writing is like all art--in that parts of ourselves leak out through the manholes of the periods, let's say, and spread out over the post for others to see/feel. Sure, there is room for misinterpretation, that sort of thing. In the end though, I feel there is a persona that does radiate genuinely from us as individuals, no matter where our writing/communication level is at.

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 12:44:06 AM

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Language, properly used, can be powerful; a good sentence can snap as sharply as a whip-- and carry the same sting! That which adds to the power is good; that which detracts, bad.

I support capping insofar as it promotes powerful language, but politically-correct slashes are cumbersome and should be avoided.

To quote Winston Churchill's famous retort about not ending a sentence with a preposition: "That is one rule, up with which I will not put."

(Can W/we A/all get back to O/our D/s and/or M/s L/lives now?)

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 1:16:51 AM

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Grammar doesn't turn me on or off. It has no effect whatsoever on my libido.

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 8:28:19 AM

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As has been stated, not really my thing but if it's your thing then go for it. As far as respect, I try to respect most people until they do something that doesn't' warrant that respect anymore. They are then usually just ignored at that point. I do not think that caps equals respect. "You are a very tiny Man and a worthless piece of crap" versus "hey i really liked what you said about subject x" is a rather obvious example.

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 8:46:39 AM

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Capping and slashy talk essentially is simply a form of respect from online submissives. When you're limited with the amount of options you can show your submissive nature, the ones that are available to you may become more attractive.

I can understand people's dislike for it, especially those who have actually experienced D/s outside of the online fantasy world, but again... if you're a Dominant, instruct those who address you in that fashion that it's not required, and if you're a submissive, I would hope (as beth so eloquently puts it) that you would do it if it pleases the partner you want to be with - but until then, choose not to until asked, then decide if the request should be entertained.

Some chat rooms require slashy from the submissives - so if you don't like it.... don't go into those frickin' chats :)

Some chats make fun of it, so if slashy is something you like.... don't go into those frickin' chats...

If you move your relationship into the real world, again - refer to beths post. If your dominant partner wishes you to post on forums using a certain style, then if you want to please them, use that style. (Note to self: as joke punishment - make girl post in Elmer Fudd fashion for a week)

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 9:13:52 AM

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I think its ridiculous and it does nothing for me, but what others do is their business.

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ditto........

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 10:31:39 AM

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Personally I see it more useful for OL stuff than anything else. When I've had OL subs, depending on who they were and their experience, I would sometimes have them do the caps/lowercase thing, but rarely the S/slash stuff. Mostly I did it as a way of discipline focus since I couldn't do some of the other things I would IRL. It also helped weed out those who weren't really wanting to be an sub. When you are a sub you do as asked (within bounds) regardless of how you feel about it. I helped several subs realize they were really more bottom than sub.

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 11:11:14 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum

quote:

ORIGINAL: joy2u

Grammar doesn't turn me on or off. It has no effect whatsoever on my libido.

joy
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Could you please explain this comment? i would really like to understand what it means. Thank you.

joy
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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 11:27:10 AM

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If he's not interacting with the one you own/control, why would it matter how she addresses you, or writes to you.

If his rules apply for all of the relationship with your pet, then I presume she knows that it's not you she's submitting to, your rules, the dynamic between the two of you, but him via you?

On a personal note, I have to slap down the inner editor whenever someone contacts me using slash speak, or lowercase/uppercasing words incorrectly. It's nothing against them, it's purely work related. I'm beginning to think that using third person, slash, the 'ds' caps thing, would all be a hard limit for me never to be crossed.

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 1:24:55 PM

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One of my pet hates are the folk who use slashy speak, it smacks of pretension on a large scale and for the most part anyone who communicates with me gets one polite request to knock it off and if the ignore me i then ignore them.

That said, when i write i use lower case but have never been requested to or felt the need to capitalise anything but the words Master and Andy when talking about my partner. When he writes he chooses when and where it is right to capitalise for himself, and in what way he uses words to speak of me, and that i happily accept.

i have never had anyone, at any time or in any circumstance, take exception to the way i write when in the first person, it has become second nature to do so that i sometimes have to go over things i have written and amend things slightly if it's something of import like an official document.

my use of lower case is just a natural way to me, not something that of it's self draws attention as does the slashy stuff does in spades, and i have found that writing to other slaves and subs who use the same form i tend not to notice, as it seems normal to me.

Slashy speak users seem to just want to draw attention to themselves, that form of writing jumps out of the page and slaps you in the face, whereas non capitalisation just blends into the text.

Each to their own, but i know what i feel more comfortable using.

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 1:38:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: Redoubt

Capping and slashy talk essentially is simply a form of respect from online submissives. When you're limited with the amount of options you can show your submissive nature, the ones that are available to you may become more attractive.

Okies I totally understand how it can be viewed at keeping a submissive in a certain mindset or place. Why then, do so many dominants use caps? They cap 'Me' 'My' etc and when I see that I can't help but wonder if they feel they need a bit of ego inflation or some sort of way to convince folks they realllllly are a dominant. It is not coming from the s-type or even directed towards them but to the population in general.

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 2:04:22 PM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Redoubt

Capping and slashy talk essentially is simply a form of respect from online submissives. When you're limited with the amount of options you can show your submissive nature, the ones that are available to you may become more attractive.

Okies I totally understand how it can be viewed at keeping a submissive in a certain mindset or place. Why then, do so many dominants use caps? They cap 'Me' 'My' etc and when I see that I can't help but wonder if they feel they need a bit of ego inflation or some sort of way to convince folks they realllllly are a dominant. It is not coming from the s-type or even directed towards them but to the population in general.

Same deal really. If you are used to being capped long enough, you start to believe it yourself

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 2:13:16 PM

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The upper case / lower case thing doesn't bother me. We don't use it ourselves when we chat or send email (I copped my sig from someone who used it and I left it intact). Slash speak or people who refer to themselves in the third person are both annoying to read. You can't do slash speak in person but I doubt I could keep a straight face if I was talking to someone referring to themselves in the third person.

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 2:24:55 PM

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i consider Capping to be the same as using Sir/Ma'am. i use such gimmicks (and yes they are) until told otherwise. i tend to shy away from the slash W/we by using You and i instead. it seems to work in most instances. it is a major PIA, though when i try to write a note with automatic spell check. i will take the extra effort unless told to do otherwise, but as with most things here, tastes and desires vary.

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/19/2008 6:47:31 PM

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It makes sense to me to use that sort of grammar but I find the slashy type stuff cumbersome and beyond what I need or enjoy. If Master asked it of me, I would love to do it, but otherwise it doesn't really matter to me.

The capitalization of titles and names and pronouns (Him, His, Master etc) has a special appeal to me though. I'm Christian and in the Bible, God and all His pronouns are capitalized. I don't know what the grammar rule is for that, but to me it says "He's powerful, He's in charge, and you better not question Him!" among lots of other things... the basic idea is that it conveys a sense of importance and power and that is why I like to do that when I refer to my Master. If I didn't read the Bible and I'd never seen it before, I might not have that idea about it and would probably be more confused about why other people do.

Anyway, I don't always do it as I'm not required to, but I always capitalize Master's titles (Master, Owner, Dom) for the same reason we capitalize Mom or Dad (it becomes a proper noun(?) I think is the correct term). Although, to keep it consistent, I capitalize Master even when preceeded by another pronoun (my, your, his etc) which you wouldn't do with Mom and Dad.... anyway all that grammar aside, I like to show Master respect and this feels respectful to me, so I do it as long as He allows me to.
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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/20/2008 2:18:38 AM

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quote:

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Could you please explain this comment? i would really like to understand what it means. Thank you.

joy
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It means hard on, pocker rocket, spanking the monkey. Is that a roll of quarters in you pocket or are you just happy to see me. You get the idea.

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/20/2008 4:49:08 AM

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pocker rocket?????

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/20/2008 9:19:51 AM

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pocker rocket?????

One handed typing?

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/20/2008 10:10:55 AM

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It would appear some people are so anally retentive if you stuck a butt plug in them you'd have zero chance of ever getting it back.

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RE: W/we, I vs i- D/s grammar - 2/20/2008 10:12:43 AM

joy2u

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum

quote:

ORIGINAL: joy2u

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Could you please explain this comment? i would really like to understand what it means. Thank you.

joy
Owned servant of Master David

It means hard on, pocker rocket, spanking the monkey. Is that a roll of quarters in you pocket or are you just happy to see me. You get the idea.

BadOne

Thank you but, could you please tell me what that phrase meant in reference to the snippet of my quote that you used? Not to make a big deal out of it but, i would really like to understand what it was about my statement that prompted you to post that comment. i feel like i'm missing the point you were making or even whether or not your comment was directed toward me. Thank you.

joy
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