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meatcleaver -> RE: Iran: Israel will soon disappear (3/2/2008 6:20:30 AM)
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Lucky, I posted that site because the figures are Israeli and can't be disputed, the cause and reasons for the deaths are the Israeli governments and many are disputed both by the Palestinians but also by human rights groups. What I wanted to pojnt out was the ratio of Israeli to Palestinian deaths and this has caused major concern for many of Israel's western allies (obviously not the US), because such a ratio gives the suspicion of assassinations and extra-judicial executions, both types of killings have been witnessed and are not even denied by the Israelis.
As for criminal negligence, how about the bombing of Beirut and the murder (yes murder) of around 1,000 civilians. How about yesterday, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/02/israelandthepalestinians1 about one civilian killed for every one militant killed. There is evidence enough in those two instances that the Israeli government policy is to rely on terror tactics. Even an Israeli soldier said they were ordered to fire cluster bombs into civilian areas in Lebanon in order to create terror. He spilt the beans because he was appalled at what he was ordered to do. As often with terror tactics, the population being terrorized reaches a point where it thinks it has nothing to lose and bites back. I contend that is what we are seeing.
Oh, and as for American media, I gather what the New York Times does is typical for the US media, certainly when I've been in America it seems to be typical and maybe this is why so many Americans are unquestioning when it comes to Israel. http://www.counterpunch.org/weir04252005.html
For example, we found that in 2004, at a time when 8 Israeli children and 176 Palestinian children were killed – a ratio of 1 to 22 – Times headlines and lead paragraphs reported on Israeli children’s deaths at a rate almost seven times greater than Palestinian children’s deaths.
Every death is a tragedy and a murder (mostly) so let's have some perspective on just who's getting killed.
According to Israeli human rights groups and others who assiduously gather data on all children killed in the conflict, at least 82 Palestinian children were killed before any Israeli children were killed – and the largest single cause of these Palestinian children’s deaths was “gunfire to the head.” Yet, almost no one is aware of this, since Times coverage consistently omitted or minimized coverage of these Palestinian deaths.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6215769.stm
A BBC report which shows 2006 figures collated by the site I posted.
Israeli security forces killed 660 Palestinians in 2006 - three times more than in 2005, according to an Israeli human rights group.
B'Tselem, which monitors human rights in the occupied territories, said the figure included 141 children.
At least 322 had taken no part in hostile acts, the group said.
I could go on and on and on. Estimates are that around 50% of all Palestinian deaths are civilian. Old men, women and children. Just like yesterday in Gaza, 50% of deaths are civilian. These aren't necessary, they are so high because of the negligent or more probably, the terror tactics employed by the Israeli military.
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