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CelticPrince -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 3:37:25 AM)

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when we began, we agreed, no others would touch me. that was a year ago and now he wants to play with others! it makes me feel sick and i dont get it


mrs,

sorry to see your problem pop up but it does not seems to suggest that he is telling you to service others.. If you have set it as a limit them use that card.

CP




subboi3382 -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 3:56:34 AM)

oh yes i totally agree. my master shares me a lot and i lvoe it




joy2u -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 4:41:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

Which means to me..a slave is allowed to have fewer thoughts of her own..then a sub.


This comment has me very intrigued.  i would really like to know how is someone able to "have fewer thoughts of her own"?  How does someone reduce the number of thoughts they have that originate in their own brain?  How do you stop or curtail someone from having as many of their own thoughts as their brain generates? 
 
i ask only because, as far as i know, i have honestly never known anyone who had a lower number of thoughts of their own than anyone else and i am curious about this.  Is this done through some form of mind control?  Or, am i misunderstanding your comment?
 
joy
Owned servant of Master David




Justme696 -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 5:14:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joy2u

quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

Which means to me..a slave is allowed to have fewer thoughts of her own..then a sub.


This comment has me very intrigued.  i would really like to know how is someone able to "have fewer thoughts of her own"?  How does someone reduce the number of thoughts they have that originate in their own brain?  How do you stop or curtail someone from having as many of their own thoughts as their brain generates? 
 
i ask only because, as far as i know, i have honestly never known anyone who had a lower number of thoughts of their own than anyone else and i am curious about this.  Is this done through some form of mind control?  Or, am i misunderstanding your comment?
 
joy
Owned servant of Master David


sorry  thoughts can't be taken away...  I am not english..so sometimes I use the wrong words to express myself. I am glad you ask. I mean.....I sub has more rights then a slave....when beeing with me.




thetammyjo -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 5:21:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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Ignore this answer if you wanted only slaves or submissives to answer.


tammyjo,

My posts are always open to all partisipation; you bring up a very good "D" position.
Thanks for your input.

CP


Thanks.

I was talking to Fox about this thread last night during our evening rituals. He laughed and said I had nailed it all on the head. Then he kissed me and said "I'd expect nothing less from you, Mistress."





joy2u -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 5:47:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

quote:

ORIGINAL: joy2u

quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

Which means to me..a slave is allowed to have fewer thoughts of her own..then a sub.


This comment has me very intrigued.  i would really like to know how is someone able to "have fewer thoughts of her own"?  How does someone reduce the number of thoughts they have that originate in their own brain?  How do you stop or curtail someone from having as many of their own thoughts as their brain generates? 
 
i ask only because, as far as i know, i have honestly never known anyone who had a lower number of thoughts of their own than anyone else and i am curious about this.  Is this done through some form of mind control?  Or, am i misunderstanding your comment?
 
joy
Owned servant of Master David


sorry  thoughts can't be taken away...  I am not english..so sometimes I use the wrong words to express myself. I am glad you ask. I mean.....I sub has more rights then a slave....when beeing with me.


i understand and i thank you for clarifying your statement.  i have read that some people do use forms of mind control and your remark made me wonder if this was the case with you.  English can be a tricky language sometimes.
 
joy
Owned servant of Master David




xBullx -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 8:57:44 AM)

 
Hello CelticPrince,

I may be redundant to some degree. Our Gorean board has also been addressing a similar thread. I'm not sure after reading through this thread rather quickly that I might not be echoing the comments of others, but..........

As you used the term property, I am left to surmise that we are discussing slaves rather than a submissive that might maintain certain conditional rights. The slave is the right and responsibility of the owner. She is to obey and do so without reservation. Absolute obedience is the watch words I favor. But even in the Gorean like context (I heard a rumor we are unmerciful and harsh) an owner might want to considered her nature if he is inspired to own her, completely and absolutely. 

In the Army we had an old leadership attribute, “know your men and employ them in accordance with their capabilities”. If I had a man that was claustrophobic it would be ridiculous to utilize him on a tunnel recon. Using this analogy to coincide with the slave girl it should tell us that some girls are more suitable than others for certain activities. A man can be insistent and make a girl do something she is not suited for to demonstrate his dominance over her; then again he might knowing this would damage the psyche of the wench choose to withhold her from the buffet line until a time she might be more suited for consumption. Whichever avenue he feels compelled to traverse is his choice to hold, she is after all his property.

The fact is many girls are in reality not all that well suited straight away for a Gorean type morality; a morality where they must obey no matter the command, a morality where they are more aware of their lust as a woman and that this lust is not a negative and is rather natural, where it is ok that they would be fond of the taste of men rather than simply “a” man. One must remember that it is the societal conditioning that has many females afraid of their inner slut like natures. I will say though, that if it is important to the parties involved that with time and proper guidance no societal stigmas are impossible to overcome, no matter how deeply engrained.

That being said I believe that one or perhaps a few specific girls can be and in fact are what Goreans call “love” slaves. This would represent that “perfect” slave suited ideally for a specific man. Now with this slave a man might be inspired to be rather selfish and frankly who could blame him. If this is the girl that flips his ultimate fancy, well more power to him.

In the end there is nothing wrong or right with sharing, it is a personal preference. As seen in the responses to this thread it is the kink of one and the fear of another. Mastery as the art of ownership over another human is at times more complicated than simply shouting fetch, fuck, lick or suck.

Live well,

Bull




Justme696 -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 9:01:37 AM)

lol don't remind me of that thread




Skully7000 -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 9:25:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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</image/blank.gif> as a Dom:

yes there is definitly something to be said about showing off your property... but its not just about the kudos to your Twue Dom ego. at least for myself its about the Pride I have in my submissive. the pride I have seeing her get through a scene because of her strength, abillities, ect.

its also about learning. the more experience you have the better for the both of us. watching my sub scene with others helps me gain that outside perspective that I don't get when I am involved in the scene. Also seeing how my sub reacts to different things that I wouldn't normally do (or haven't done yet)

then of course there is the lazy factor:
sometimes i just want to sit and relax and watch someone have fun with my woman. perhaps while i'm having a wonderful conversation.

then lastly there is the Joy in other peoples joy:
If I was going to let me sub play with someone else...it would be because I trust them. If i trust them, then I most likely Like them as a person. if thats the case then I just get real joy from watching two people I care about have fun.

The aboslute only thing it is NOT:
it is not a way of Bragging by saying"hey look i'm such a Twue Dom I can make my property play with whomever I want them to"


Skully,

I do agree with all your points but you forgot one / the pleasure that your "s" gets.

CP


I sat questioning how I could have forgotten that... then I re-read my points:

The joy I get from other peoples Joy...watching TWO people having fun...that includes the pleasure my "S" is having. weather the pleasure is due to ones service to my wishes, or due to the fun they are having in the scene itself, or any mix is inconsequntial. as long as my "s" is enjoying the scene on some level.

to play devils advocate:
if my "s" was not enjoying a scene, or did not enjoy the idea of me lending her out to a particular person or for a particular task: my "s" would have the option to red(its not just to stop the scene once its started)

at that point I would Rethink WHY i'm making her do it. I would also talk to her and find out why she didn't want to do it. if her reasons were justified I may grant her request. if the reasons were not justified (in my oppinion) I would explain that it is what I wanted and request her to bite the bullet and go through with it. at this point I'm switching more into Daddy Dom mode. Becuase if they feel that strongly to safeword then I want to know why. I don't want to break my toys. I want to condition them...and if this one instance is to big of a step for whatever reasons i want to make an informed decision of pushing my sub's limits for the right reasons not the wrong ones.

She still has the option to Safeword out of doing it. But by that point I'm less concerned about the play and more concerned about whats going on in her head to make her feel the need to safeword out of doing something.

Cheers
Skully




CelticPrince -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 12:29:34 PM)

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Your master isn't asking you how you would feel - the OP is. He wants to know how you would feel about it.


Aquatic,

Thanks for the help!

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 12:32:32 PM)

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Sexual sharing, absolutely not. "I am not to be shared" was one of the first things I ever told Him regarding limits.


State,

You saifd it all with the first statement the rest is frosting / thanks for your input.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 12:35:31 PM)

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Would the results be nasty - odds table says not only nasty but potentially violent and destructive.


silver,

I suggest you copy,paste and send your reply to him, might save his ass.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 12:39:04 PM)

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think you have left out a vital issue....
If this IS done, no matter the how or feelings of the submissive..............the why?


iniri,

Why would the "D" want to share it or why would she?

CP




AquaticSub -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 12:39:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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Your master isn't asking you how you would feel - the OP is. He wants to know how you would feel about it.


Aquatic,

Thanks for the help!

CP


I do what I can. [:)]




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 12:41:50 PM)

I don't share I am a selfish man that wants to keep mine for myself,All this should have been worked out from the very start,I would remind him of you early discussions about this subject..WE do find owner that send their property to us to use and teach them the basics of becoming a slave..again I would remind him of your very first conversations about this subject and your concerns....bounty




CelticPrince -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 12:43:21 PM)

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I like this thread. It keeps popping up under different names.


HerLord,

A redux is not a natural consequesnce to good content.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 12:47:48 PM)

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why does one's greatest fear have to be the greatest turn on ??!!


ruthie,

It is called the"edge"

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 12:50:32 PM)

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And to me there are big differences between sub and slave. If one comes to me as slave..then I treat her as one. If she comes to me as sub..and I take her as sub..she will be treated as sub. Which means to me..a slave is allowed to have fewer thoughts of her own..then a sub.
Depends on what you agree on.


justme,

You havta love criteria!

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 12:53:37 PM)

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Emotions are involved but agreeing to me is an action and not an emotion


dark,

an action without emotion???????????? hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmm!

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: Property = sharing?? (2/22/2008 12:56:00 PM)

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oh yes i totally agree. my master shares me a lot and i lvoe it


you lucky boi you!

CP




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