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My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing establis... - 2/22/2008 9:04:03 PM   
goatmilkfriend


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I've truley loved him since the begining (1 1/2 yrs ago) and six months before giving me my first orgasm ever. I attribute many life-altering liberating eperiences i have had (sexual and non) to our open and passionate partnership. Among my favorites was my discovery of this deeply imbeded kink for mental sexual abuse and submission with light sadism (im a beginner slave). Anyways, while i obviously have no complaint in the sex department, the fact is, i have become increasingly endagered physiacally and seriously worried that there is something wrong with his interpretation of what is wrong in a right way and what is wrong in an unacceptable and unhealthy way. However, i can't be sure that i know the difference either. There are times when i feel that having to deal with unwanted physical (and mental) abuse is a repercussion of participating in the sexual dramatization of such violoent acts, like i brought it upon myself. He is currently incarsarated for assault and attempt to commit a felony. So i guess my question is: is there such thing as an intense, deeply satisfying, and passionate bdsm relationship that functions without the fetish elements (sexual abuse) penetrating the boundaries of fantasies? or, is that a part of it on some subconsciouse level? Please help, there's nobody i know whome i could consult about this aspect of my very complicated relationship. I'm excited to be a part of this group. thanx
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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/22/2008 9:54:53 PM   
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There are times when i feel that having to deal with unwanted physical (and mental) abuse is a repercussion of participating in the sexual dramatization of such violoent acts, like i brought it upon myself.


I don't understand exactly what you are asking, but your posts concerns me.  There is no unwanted physical or sexual abuse in my home, so it is not necessarily a part of BDSM relationships.  Suffering unwanted violence is not something I would ordinarily think of as a description of what happens in BDSM.

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He is currently incarsarated for assault and attempt to commit a felony.


Not a good sign.

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So i guess my question is: is there such thing as an intense, deeply satisfying, and passionate bdsm relationship that functions without the fetish elements (sexual abuse) penetrating the boundaries of fantasies? or, is that a part of it on some subconsciouse level?


I don't understand the difference between a relationship with no sexual abuse outside of fantasy and one where sexual abuse exists "only" on a subconscious level, since it does not exist in physical reality in either case.

Could you try to clarify exactly what you are asking about?  It sounds like you are referring to being brutalized without having consented to it.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/22/2008 10:17:49 PM   
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The very first thing you will need to do in order to get answers, is to post them in understandable English. This reads like a bad attempt at legalese, and can be read in a dozen different ways. Try keeping it simple, and give some examples.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/22/2008 10:25:46 PM   
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You joined just today and asked a question of this depth to total strangers? Just seems kind of strange.

You've been with this man for a year and a half, and term yourself a beginner slave? Who did he assault that got him incarcerated, when and for how long?

Anyway, physical assault is not BDSM, it's physical assault. The end.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 12:27:36 AM   
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well, yes, i presented a relatively complicated question, (but not exactly in depth) to strangers because i am desperate for understanding. He assaulted me which is why i felt it was rellevant to my post. I appeciate your input

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 12:31:37 AM   
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Any relationship with an incarcerated, unrehabilitated, violent felon is going to be fraught with problems is what I think. I mean, if you had a grown daughter and she came to you and asked if this was a good thing to be getting into, would you know what to tell her?

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 12:33:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

You joined just today and asked a question of this depth to total strangers? Just seems kind of strange.

You've been with this man for a year and a half, and term yourself a beginner slave? Who did he assault that got him incarcerated, when and for how long?

Anyway, physical assault is not BDSM, it's physical assault. The end.


Where as I agree with you on the surface as I believe the same as you, what you have said here only applies to you, It is not a One size fits all her milage may Vary.

I am curious as to what the issue was with her joining and posting today I would believe that she was suggested to go here as this would be a good sounding board for such a difficult question. I don't find anything strange about it at all.

I have been Incarserated before and It was for Violence. This does not make me a loose cannor or a danger, it means a situation presented itself and I took the only option I thought I had and I did the time for breaking the law and his Jaw.

Judgements are hard in  a question like this. I think a bigger question is, what is the actual issue she is having with the relationship she is in. Basically Why are you asking this question in the first place what about your situation is making YOU feel uncomfortable?

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 12:52:45 AM   
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Drop him like a hot rock young one...these people can help you:
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AARDVARC is An Abuse, Rape & Domestic Violence Aid and Resource Collection. This site is for victims of violence, their families and friends, and the agencies and programs which serve them, both public and private. Issues addressed here currently include: domestic violence, stalking, and sexual assault.
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Amnesty International Women’s Action Council
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Asian Task Against Domestic Violence
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Black Women’s Health: When Love Becomes Hurtful
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The Brazos County Rape Crisis Center
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The Call to Protect
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Center for the Prevention of Sexual and Domestic Violence
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Department of Justice Office on Violence Against Women
 
 

Domestic Violence Agency HELP of Door County's mission is to provide information, programs and services that will break the cycles of violence and abuse for victims, families, and communities.
 

Family Violence Prevention Fund
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Islamic Society of North America’s (ISNA) Domestic Violence Forum 
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Laura Davis
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National Center For Victims of Crime
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National Coalitions Against Domestic Violence
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The Northwest Network
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Parents and Loved Ones of Sexual Abuse and Rape Survivors
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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 1:00:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

You joined just today and asked a question of this depth to total strangers? Just seems kind of strange.

You've been with this man for a year and a half, and term yourself a beginner slave? Who did he assault that got him incarcerated, when and for how long?

Anyway, physical assault is not BDSM, it's physical assault. The end.


Where as I agree with you on the surface as I believe the same as you, what you have said here only applies to you, It is not a One size fits all her milage may Vary.

I am curious as to what the issue was with her joining and posting today I would believe that she was suggested to go here as this would be a good sounding board for such a difficult question. I don't find anything strange about it at all.

I have been Incarserated before and It was for Violence. This does not make me a loose cannor or a danger, it means a situation presented itself and I took the only option I thought I had and I did the time for breaking the law and his Jaw.

Judgements are hard in  a question like this. I think a bigger question is, what is the actual issue she is having with the relationship she is in. Basically Why are you asking this question in the first place what about your situation is making YOU feel uncomfortable?

As Always

Steel


Steel, I made no judgements on you, the OP, or anyone else. I don't feel in the slightest bit uncomfortable with anything I said or asked, but thank and applaud you for having such an in depth knowledge of my psyche, with absolutely no knowledge of me, my experiences or my life at all!! You are truly remarkable!! Bravo!!

Patently the OP understood EXACTLY what I said to her, so only YOU seem to have a problem. So take your armchair psychology elsewhere.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 1:11:59 AM   
SteelofUtah


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Wow, are you always so nice to people who agree with you but offer a different view of a situation as well?

Man I gotta meet the rest of the locals if they are all as nice as you.

Thank you so Kindly for actually reading what I said and not clouding it up with any preconcieved notions and antagonistic ....... Oh .... Wait ..... Nevermind.

Either which way, The point still stands the comments you made do not apply to the whole of BDSM or am I really in the Presence of the End All Be All Uber Domme? I always wanted to meet the Queen Mum.

My Question still stands to the OP.

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Steel

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 1:17:39 AM   
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I'm really sorry that you've been criticized for turning to a post for help, or for the way you phrased this or that.
It doesn't matter.

What does matter, darling, and please listen is that you seem to have a very serious problem on your hands.  It sounds like you are aware that something in your relationship is wrong and you sound afraid.  Let me tell you one thing, and please listen, you need to listen to your intuition.  You need to protect yourself. 

You have value, and more to the point: BDSM does not include non-consenual abuse of any kind.

Any man or woman who thinks that they have the right to violate another man or woman's boundaries is selfish and unethical.  A person who can violate you (it is a violation if, and whenever, it crosses the boundaries you have established) is not a person who cares about you.

Listen to yourself.  Listen to what you wrote as objectively as possible; as if you were giving advice to another person.  If your sister came to you and asked you just this, what would you tell her?

I know that your emotions complicate it but you have a frank obligation to protect your body and your life.
Your well being is first and foremost; and you derserve a loving, dynamic, passionate relationship that respects your limits as a human person, BDSM or otherwise.


Listen to yourself.  Listen well and hard, love and honor yourself.  What is happening is NOT right.


Take care and warmest wishes,
namaste,

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 1:28:09 AM   
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Having NOW read your profile I wish to change what I have said and hope that you do seek some form of help as this is TEXT BOOK abuse and next time you might actually lose your eyes or even worse your life.

NO ONE I mean NO ONE deserves or asked to be HARMED and that is where this is heading.

As a sadist I may Hurt you but as a HUMAN BEING I hope to never HARM another soul as long as it can be helped.

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Steel

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 1:37:14 AM   
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He lacks control - an important aspect to being a good dom.  You're not safe with him and if you stay, will probably be harmed eventually. 

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 4:08:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: goatmilkfriend

well, yes, i presented a relatively complicated question, (but not exactly in depth) to strangers because i am desperate for understanding. He assaulted me which is why i felt it was rellevant to my post. I appeciate your input


Lemme get this straight... He is in jail for assualting you.  You spoke of sexual abuse.  You don't know what to do???  I realize your 19 so I will be kind. DTMFA  <D>ump <T>he <M>other <F>ucker <A>lready

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 4:16:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: goatmilkfriend

He is currently incarsarated for assault and attempt to commit a felony. So i guess my question is: is there such thing as an intense, deeply satisfying, and passionate bdsm relationship that functions without the fetish elements (sexual abuse) penetrating the boundaries of fantasies? or, is that a part of it on some subconsciouse level?
 Yes. Absolutely there can be an intense, deeply satisfying and passionate BDSM relationship without heavy or even light kink.For some folks the relationship itself IS the kink, the power given over and the power taken is enough for some.Others need/want the kink.Neither way is 'right' or 'wrong' for everyone, it is an individual thing. You do not sound happy, I think you are too young to lock yourself into something that makes you worry so much. Please take some time, evaluate what you want vs what he does because I don't think they match up.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 5:29:25 AM   
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get out..and ask friends for help
people without self control are dangerous..especially as Owner

( you don't need to break the relation..that is up to you...but give him soemthing to think)


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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 7:43:13 AM   
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From your profile:  ... putting me in physical danger which is a no-no even for great sex, right?...But...i can't help but wonder if i brought it upon myself or maybe deserve it for role playing it that much.

Stop. Do not Pass Go. Do not collect $200. Get help. Seriously. Therapy. Any time you think you deserve assault, including someone attempting to gouge your eyes out, then it is time to STOP, take a deep breath, and see a professional.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 8:05:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

From your profile:  ... putting me in physical danger which is a no-no even for great sex, right?...But...i can't help but wonder if i brought it upon myself or maybe deserve it for role playing it that much.

Stop. Do not Pass Go. Do not collect $200. Get help. Seriously. Therapy. Any time you think you deserve assault, including someone attempting to gouge your eyes out, then it is time to STOP, take a deep breath, and see a professional.


Quoted and highlighted for emphasis. This is a common thought for someone who has been absued - been there, remember it well, and it still crops up from time to time, even after all these years and all those multi-thousands of dollars worth of therapy.

He's in jail for abusing you. Not a misdemeanor. A felony. It may be difficult to distance yourself, it may be hard to deal with the guilt, but do so. If you need moral support, I am happy to provide it.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 9:01:30 AM   
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There is such a thing as 'consensual non-consent' what that means is that we suspend the 'no no no, it hurts no' for a specified period of time and rely on a safeword or other signal when a person is going to far with us.

What happened to you is just non-consent. This is NOT bdsm. In fact, I think you need to get away from bdsm for a while to process what happened to you. I'm afraid that if you continue to explore bdsm at this particular time, things will only go badly for you.

And, of course, as everyone said, get away from this guy. He will hurt you. Badly.

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RE: My master has gotten in the habbit of crossing esta... - 2/23/2008 10:55:30 AM   
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wow. i appreciate the time u took. these resources seem great and i may resort to a couple, but there is something particular i just needed to get from my post which that i could not get from a local DV counselor and that is the blame i attribute to myself for particpating in (very light, mostly verbal) sadism. I was sure tha to come here i could get some insight as (opposed to judjment) on the part bdsm plays, or favorably, does not play, in an abusuive relationship. I would like to belive that an adventurouse sex life can be sane and healthy, and thus far, that is the concensus is what i expected: BDSM-good, battery-not good.
  -Thanx

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