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MissAidan -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:24:49 PM)

Just my general opinion.  Then again, there are any number of groups of people that I don't think to highly of.  And of course, there are exceptions to this.
Edited to say: Gorist?  Ooookay...never heared that term.




Justme696 -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:26:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

About to be rude, but this isn't a Gorist thread (thank you, whoever reminded us that 'Gorist' was, indeed, the correct terminology) - I think many good people waste their talents on all that Gor stuff.

Just as some of them think I waste my life not being a Gorist slave, I suppose :-) .


yes but the whole vanilla world thinks the same about BDSM




Justme696 -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:27:44 PM)

should be Gorean  not Gorist  lol





mnottertail -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:30:12 PM)

Dunno bout that.

pythaGorean, pythaGorist?

seems ok.




bleusparkles -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:31:12 PM)

Gorist?

Is that contagious?




Justme696 -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:32:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Dunno bout that.

pythaGorean, pythaGorist?

seems ok.


sounds good   lol




TracyTaken -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:32:10 PM)

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My general opion of Gor and those I have met/spoken to who are Gor is not that high.


It's a mixed bag, IMO.  Much like those who consider themselves "slaves" or "masters," some live in la-la land, others are more down to Earth.




MissAidan -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:32:18 PM)

Sound like it might be. *bites tongue to keep quiet*  And yes, there are looneys everywhere, and "one twue way-ists" as well.  Seems there are more in Gor to me though, imo.




mnottertail -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:32:55 PM)

do you want it to be, my pretty?

Euclid




celticlord2112 -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:36:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

Somehow I always think people are afraid to respond to goreans...but do respond to other difficult questions..
IS that just a feeling I have or is it true?



I'm not afraid to respond to Goreans. In fact, I've posted in there quite a bit.

Goreans are their own subculture, just like D/s lifestylers are. They indulge in many of the same kinks--henced the presumed connection to other BDSM subcultures--but they proceed from a different philosophical basis.

Some are fascinating. Some are asinine. A few are just plain asses. Rather like what you find in any community of people.




travelgman -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:38:53 PM)

From my experience. It does go both ways. People talk about Goreans being rude and disrespecting them. But I have seen several threads in this forum recently that either directly or indirectly were knocks against the Goreans with many posts basically saying all of them were kooks who can not deal with reality for following a cheap B novel.

You get enough of that and it is only natural to develop a distrust and dislike of Bdsm people. I used to Role Play Gor online and even there we would get people dissing us for enjoying our Role Play and for Role Playing Gor. As if they were better just because of the things they did in their life.

Oh and for all the folks who say - Goreans are silly for doing something that isn't real and they truly can not live. Let's not forget. Bdsmers have to gather in clubs and private funtcions to express their kink outside of their own homes. None of us in either lifestyle can just follow what we are  completely out in the "vanilla" world.

Goreans tend to see what most Bdsm folks see as kinky. As a part of life. Tieing a girl up. Is just something you do to a girl as part of  her life. It is not a kink. It is a way of life and reducing it to a kink taints it somewhat. Which is not to say they do not enjoy it .

In any group of people there are those that will take the time to help new folks understand their way of life and those who are closed off to new comers. I have run across this many times over the last 10 years or so as I have been learning about things that interest me whether it be from Bdsm folks, Goreans or whomever. That is one good thing about forums like this. You can often find people who both know about a subject that interests you and are willing to share it with you. Without having to weed through those that are not.

For me I see Good and Bad in both lifestyles and silliness in both lifestyles as well.  And in many other things as well. I don't have to be Buddhist or share their beliefs 
to respect the Dali Lami for being a strong man.







Justme696 -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:39:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

Somehow I always think people are afraid to respond to goreans...but do respond to other difficult questions..
IS that just a feeling I have or is it true?



I'm not afraid to respond to Goreans. In fact, I've posted in there quite a bit.

Goreans are their own subculture, just like D/s lifestylers are. They indulge in many of the same kinks--henced the presumed connection to other BDSM subcultures--but they proceed from a different philosophical basis.

Some are fascinating. Some are asinine. A few are just plain asses. Rather like what you find in any community of people.


yes agree witht hat...all have a good and bad people
but it seems to me, outside a few, many don't dare..or can not discuss it. On both sides..of the line.




celticlord2112 -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:41:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Not so much SciFi as ancient heritage

Knute Angurvadel


More like inspired by ancient heritage. Norman sampled many of the ancient mythological systems to craft his Gorean culture, much in the way Tolkein sampled Celtic and Anglo-Saxon mythologies to craft Middle Earth, or the way Frank Herbert sampled Buddhist and Islamic religious systems, along with Bedouin tribal cultures, to create Dune.

Whether he sampled well or no is a topic for a different thread--and a different venue, quite frankly.




BlackPhx -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:42:15 PM)

It does amaze me at the intolerance many groups in the sub culture have for one another, especially since the BDSM sub culture depends upon the tolerance of our society. Despite that it is still not unexpected, we are after all human.

Now given my exposure to both Gorean and the BDSM commuity in general I have sketched out a hypothesis about this friction. Note this is not the "truth", nor am I an expert to end all expert just an opinion reasoned out based on my education, observations, and conjecture.

Goreans believe in a "natural" philsophy, that means there is an order of the universe and it is based on a strict hierarchy where the strong rule and tested and proved through intense competition. You don't learn to be strong you just are and are honed to release the potential strength within. This is based on the observation of other primate social structures and thus it is reasoned that it is only "natural" that humans adopt the same social structure. After all how can hundreds of millions of years of evolutions be wrong. The gorean books are appealing to a male dominant mindset, after all it hammers the idea that men are strong therefore fit to rule over women. It also legititizes this outlook by wedding it to a philosophy that it is the natural order of things and thus the way it is destined to be. The gorean ideal also adheres to honor, responsibility, and oddly humane treatment of those that submit. Yes, gorean can be brutal but only for what they deem pragmatic reasons. Once the status quo is attained then the strong are bound by honor and pride to protect thier property (those that submit) otherwise they are not worthy to possess it. In thier view this places them in a morally superior position, and they expect people to respect this "fact" and acknowledge that the rest of the BDSM community is a pale imitation of thier utopian society.

Here is where the friction takes place, there are a lot of groups (Old Guard, Victorian, New Leather, SSC mainstreamist, etc) that have thier own idea of what a utopian society is and what protocols are needed to attain that perfect balance of domination and submission. They also believe for various reasons that thier adherance to thier codes puts them in a morally superior position and all the other groups are just pale imitations of thier utopian society and they also expect people to respect this "fact" and acknowledge it self evident perfection.

What ever group or cliche you join there is a sense of support and acceptance that makes you willing to accept the rules and protocols and if it makes you happy there is the natural assumption it will work for anyone once they give it a chance. When you encounter someone from another camp you want to share your enlightened position so they can share your revelations and make them happy. If they are already happy in their group and society they will not appreciate this attempt to undermine a perfect utopian situation with something that could not possibly work for yada yada yada reasons.

This tension and intolerance is a perspective schisim each group adament it's philosophy is the correct, more reasonable, and perfect course and any other course is flawed and if they would just open thier eyes and come to thier senses they would come to undertand why and join thier group.

Like I said this is just a hypothesis based on observation. Add to it, point out it's flaws, or just laugh yourself silly what ever entertains you.

BlackPhx




MissAidan -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 5:45:34 PM)

"Goreans tend to see what most Bdsm folks see as kinky.  As a part of life. Tieing a girl up. Is just something you do to a girl as part of  her life. It is not a kink. It is a way of life and reducing it to a kink taints it somewhat. Which is not to say they do not enjoy it ."
 
I like the bit about its just something you do as a part of life.  I know a few non-Gor BDSM-ers who think and live that way.
 
 




Padriag -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 6:01:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kalista07

i thought about posting this in the Gorean section, but as i'm clearly not gorean i was afraid i'd offend someone. Can anyone explain to me the difference between BDSM and Gorean? And why do Gorean's find it so offensive to be connected to BDSM?
Thanks,
Kali



In brief... belief systems and self image.  Goreans, and this is a broad sweeping generalization, have a very specific world view and self image.  BDSM sometimes impinges on and threatens that, and that results in friction and tension much in the same way that protestants and catholics sometimes find it hard to get along.  In both cases you have two groups separated by commonality... much as Patton observed that Americans and Brits were two people separated by a common language.

But, you really ought to be asking why some Goreans see themselves separate from BDSM.  Not all do.  Not all Goreans hold the same views or behave the same or are attracted to the Gorean style of life for the same general reasons.  Some genuinely hold ideals of honor in high regard, others merely pay it lip service.  Just as in BDSM people are drawn to it for a variety of reasons... and some hold ideals such as SSC and RACK in high regard and others merely pay it lip service.  Neither group is monolithic and both would likely have to be further sub-divided before any reasonable generalizations could really be made.




Kalista07 -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 6:06:21 PM)

Thank You for Your well thought out and genuine reply.




kittinSol -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 6:20:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BlackPhx

Here is where the friction takes place, there are a lot of groups (Old Guard, Victorian, New Leather, SSC mainstreamist, etc) that have thier own idea of what a utopian society is and what protocols are needed to attain that perfect balance of domination and submission. (...)

What ever group or cliche you join there is a sense of support and acceptance that makes you willing to accept the rules and protocols and if it makes you happy there is the natural assumption it will work for anyone once they give it a chance. When you encounter someone from another camp (...)



There are also some of us who belong to no 'subgroups' whatsoever and who are, before anything, even before BDSM, human beings with a very personal outlook on life. I have no desire to belong to any group.




Cdub2U -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 6:25:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackPhx

Here is where the friction takes place, there are a lot of groups (Old Guard, Victorian, New Leather, SSC mainstreamist, etc) that have thier own idea of what a utopian society is and what protocols are needed to attain that perfect balance of domination and submission. (...)

What ever group or cliche you join there is a sense of support and acceptance that makes you willing to accept the rules and protocols and if it makes you happy there is the natural assumption it will work for anyone once they give it a chance. When you encounter someone from another camp (...)



There are also some of us who belong to no 'subgroups' whatsoever and who are, before anything, even before BDSM, human beings with a very personal outlook on life. I have no desire to belong to any group.


LMAO.... you belong to my group.  Those of us that don't give a shit about group think!  Or is that called mob logic?




kittinSol -> RE: Gorean's??? (2/23/2008 6:40:24 PM)

It's all about drinking from different cups blah blah blah blah. I'm sure there are many of us out here on these boards who don't want a club membership card [:D] .




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