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RE: The Rules - 2/23/2008 11:21:04 PM   
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Ok.
This is going to be messy. But let me try.
I know that ther are absolutely NO absolutes. But, what if you were to really try to write a book of rules for the life. What in your mind would be most important, least important, and the notso important "must haves?"
I see lots of posts in here on various topics that generally come down to what are the rules of; being a sub/slave, dominating, etc.
Let's say that between us on CM, we have been charged with writing a rule book. BTW Noah... I think it should be 2 nudies for every toy, and 1 "money" as profile, lol
Any way, so as to give a thread dedicated to the one twue rule book, I took it upon myself to begin a thread on this topic. I did a VERY quick search on this and found everything to be disorganized. So I stopped looking.
I would love to see real answers, sarcasm welcome, but I would like to see what everyones individual idea is on their own version of rules, and maybe as a "community" come to some sort of consensus as to what they could be, if generalized enough to "fit the mold." I expect the rules are different for each person, so I will be taking the time to look at each one and see what of each one could be gleaned and reformatted to within/out context be applicable to the whole. I would love to see, as a continually evolutionary input, a listing continually edited on OP a list of What It Is That We Do handbook... lol I know I have not perfectly expressed my self here, so any ?'s feel free.


HUH no where in you first post did you say you were not serious.  perhaps once you saw the direction of the post you were like " i was only kidding"   but at that point it was to late for you to back out.  Seriously  dude you take this/yourself  way to serious.

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RE: The Rules - 2/23/2008 11:42:05 PM   
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HUH no where in you first post did you say you were not serious.  perhaps once you saw the direction of the post you were like " i was only kidding"   but at that point it was to late for you to back out.  Seriously  dude you take this/yourself  way to serious.

BadOne

You are right. I did not clarify this in the OP. This was intentional, the post I was looking for came early, so I was able to "save face" quickly. Yes I would like to see a book of rules. But knowing that this book is never going to apply to all It cannot be written. However, There are things in this life that the "n00bs" haven't considered. The purpose of having rules is to clarify what one governs one's own self by. The purpose of this thread, from the beginning, was to give example to the need for one's own thought. Yes, I do think I will continue this thread and glean any appropriate "rules" (guidlines) to post as things for n00bs to consider. Maybe to express the non conformity of individual circumstances. Do I take myself seriously. Absolutely. Do I take my relationship with My Love seriously. To the death. I know when I started out my relationship with My Love, there were a considerable amount of things I did not know about My Love. Having some basic insight to the where's and when's of venturing to something as new and undefined as this life, it surely would have been of GREAT assistance in making clear to us what were the issues that needed to be addressed prior to problems occuring later. For instance, safety words. One without experience might not think to be overtly careful as to what words are "forgettalbe" vs "infallible" guidlines to have explained to us how to consider what would be more effective for than not, could have been extraordinarily useful. This is just one exapmple.

The fact that safewords have as yet been unmentioned is of concern to me. There are many things that you, the experienced do not tend to think of as being "rules" for you have been doing them so long they are second nature, unthought of dynamics no longer needed to be conveyed.

For the n00bs who have not the experience, or wit, you have, may not know where to begin thier exploration, or how. The "book" I am going to finish with will be no more than a few KEY elements to focus on, honesty and communication and the like. So for a big part of it, yes your right. This IS a stab at the notion of there being rules that govern WIITWD, but it is also advice I believe that n00bs should hear, and adhere to.

Not all of us think only of our own position as a reference point for what we can offer to assist others.

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 12:14:40 AM   
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It seems to me that most problems stem from 3 rules already mentioned that crop up frequently..Communication (seems to be a good credo, however many seem to have the most difficulty with that!)..Honesty (seems to be hard due to the fact that many times in our days we tend to be less than honest to have our life go more smoothly ie:Yes boss, I am working on that as we speak, or...no problem, it's ok I did not like that vase anyway, when your best friends son knocks it over..things like this..)and face it..then you have those with hidden agendas, Dom and submissive alike..and as LA said being true to yourself,some seem to think if they behave or act in certain ways, that it will attain them that which is being sought, and hence not being true to who they are, and then the incompatabilities set in when the facade cannot be kept up..(refer to honesty again)..So I guess I can simply add, Respect for each other and their contribution to the dynamic...Tempting

Being true to yourself, in my book, falls under the catagory of honesty. It is no less imperative to be honest to owns own self that to others. Being HONEST, starts with honesty to yourself. If you can not be honest to yourself, there is NO WAY to be honest to those around you.

I was going to let that slide... but being as it is SO VERY VERY important, I deemed it fruitfull to clarify.
Maybe you should look a wee bit past the blue highlights that you placed and you will see what else I also wrote..it is enclosed in parenthesis...so clarify away, just make sure actual clarification is needed...in this case,it was not..Tempting

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 12:16:59 AM   
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The main downfall of "the d/s lifestyle" is this man.

People have this idiotic notion that they can just whip out a silly book with some trite agreements, and everything is going to be "happily ever after."

Three main things work in a relationship.

Honest transparency.

Honest self realization, ditch the rosy glasses.

A willingness to cooperate and work out the bugs-rather than trying to prevent irrelevant bugs with a 'screen".

The bugs are always going to sneak in there,and you need to be fast on your feet to deal with them-not sitting on a freaking throne, wondering why your ass is being eaten alive.



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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 12:28:45 AM   
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"wondering why your ass is being eaten alive."

this is a bdsm forum Leatherist, some folks might like it that way!

now to be a little more serious, the best "rule" or "guideline" i can think of is to do whatever you and your playmate decide works for you, do not try to copy what you have seen or read somewhere else, this is an individual relationship thing, what works for them may not work for you.  relax, enjoy, explore and find your own path, it works alot better.

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 12:34:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TemptingNviceSub

Maybe you should look a wee bit past the blue highlights that you placed and you will see what else I also wrote..it is enclosed in parenthesis...so clarify away, just make sure actual clarification is needed...in this case,it was not..Tempting

My apologies. It was not that I was arguing with you at all. I was in fact agreeeing with you. This notion had been posted by another, and seing it for the second time, deemed it appropriate to clarify, not as a correction on your post or any other, but merely as I had seen it more than once and thought I would add my thoughts on it.

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

The main downfall of "the d/s lifestyle" is this man.

People have this idiotic notion that they can just whip out a silly book with some trite agreements, and everything is going to be "happily ever after."

Three main things work in a relationship.

Honest transparency.

Honest self realization, ditch the rosy glasses.

A willingness to cooperate and work out the bugs-rather than trying to prevent irrelevant bugs with a 'screen".

The bugs are always going to sneak in there,and you need to be fast on your feet to deal with them-not sitting on a freaking throne, wondering why your ass is being eaten alive.



This is an excellent point. Part of the why I am running this thread. I have previously stated that such a Book cannot be written, but continue my journey any way. Mainly to create thoughts within those who read it about their own rules, and what about them makes them important to them.

Thanks for all the replies, keep them coming

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 1:12:17 AM   
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HUH no where in you first post did you say you were not serious.  perhaps once you saw the direction of the post you were like " i was only kidding"   but at that point it was to late for you to back out.  Seriously  dude you take this/yourself  way to serious.

BadOne

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For the n00bs who have not the experience, or wit, you have, may not know where to begin thier exploration, or how. The "book" I am going to finish with will be no more than a few KEY elements to focus on, honesty and communication and the like. So for a big part of it, yes your right. This IS a stab at the notion of there being rules that govern WIITWD, but it is also advice I believe that n00bs should hear, and adhere to.
[...snip...]


Hang on a minute here, SailingBum. I was skeptical at first myself, but he may be on to something. How many times in recent days/weeks have you seen the same old tired questions regurgitated over and over? Someone even suggested creating a separate forum just for the newbies. A lota good that would do.

HerLord, SailingBum does have a point. A book of 'Rules'? Rules implies truisms. I swear, if we have one more thread or debate about 'true this', 'true that'.....argghhh....I'm running away to join the Goreans, cause they don't fuck around with the truth. Might I suggest something a little less stringent, like a 'Book of Guiding Principles' or 'Words from the Wise and Others', hmmm? Just a thought...

Speaking of thoughts, here's one of my own:  The dance of domination and submission requires knowing oneself, trusting ones partner, and mutual respect to bind...everything else is like lemmings off a cliff.

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 1:17:28 AM   
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My only rule is to rule out doms who look like they have cum dripping off their mustaches.

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 2:32:27 AM   
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A book of 'Rules'? Rules implies truisms. I swear, if we have one more thread or debate about 'true this', 'true that'.....argghhh....I'm running away to join the Goreans, cause they don't fuck around with the truth.


Of course they do. Goreans are still a group of humans and individuals within that group are just as likely to lie as any other individual within a group of humans.

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 3:04:50 AM   
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My only rule is to rule out doms who look like they have cum dripping off their mustaches.


lol, wouldn't it eassier to take doms without facial hair ;)


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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 3:06:08 AM   
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I thought this was going to be a fun one, but it has turned nasty, so here is rule #1, Sit down shut up and read the rules so the self  proclaimed ones with all the experience don't have to read and answer your dumbass questions. Rule #2, If you are a noob or a boob don't ask a question, don't have fun, just sit down, be real quiet and tell youself to be real honest about how f--king quiet you to are yourself.
How in the hell can you all take the original post so seriously? Did you read the whole post before you got all worked up? Why don't you call it the book of law and make everyone "OBEY". Would that make you happy? My sub, my rules. But the book of rules sounded fun, kinda like "The Idiots Guide to the Universe"

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 3:06:52 AM   
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A book of 'Rules'? Rules implies truisms. I swear, if we have one more thread or debate about 'true this', 'true that'.....argghhh....I'm running away to join the Goreans, cause they don't fuck around with the truth.


Of course they do. Goreans are still a group of humans and individuals within that group are just as likely to lie as any other individual within a group of humans.

Celeste


agree..and many goreans...just role play on IRC ....so actually living a "lie/fantasy".


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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 3:13:44 AM   
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I thought this was going to be a fun one, but it has turned nasty, so here is rule #1, Sit down shut up and read the rules so the self  proclaimed ones with all the experience don't have to read and answer your dumbass questions. Rule #2, If you are a noob or a boob don't ask a question, don't have fun, just sit down, be real quiet and tell youself to be real honest about how f--king quiet you to are yourself.
How in the hell can you all take the original post so seriously? Did you read the whole post before you got all worked up? Why don't you call it the book of law and make everyone "OBEY". Would that make you happy? My sub, my rules. But the book of rules sounded fun, kinda like "The Idiots Guide to the Universe"


Exactly the point.  Thank you.

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 3:34:31 AM   
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My rules for her:
 
1- Have a desire, a yearning, an overwhelming need to please me, and obey me. All else flows from that.
 
- To strive for, and maintain, good health, in all aspects.
 
- To increase knowledge of self, and of the world.
 
- To be trustworthy, in both word and deed. Will learn from front to back the idea of Radical Honesty.
 
- To be a person of excellent ethics in all things.
 
My rules for me:
 
1- To be able to look at myself in the mirror at the end of each day, with satisfaction that I lived honorably.
 
2- To learn about my partner, in all aspects of her self.
 
3- To assist her, and guide her, to a fulfilling life.
 
4- To smack her on the bootie at least once a day.
 
 



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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 5:33:35 AM   
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Only one rule for me, covers honesty (where appropriate or necessary), communication (w.a.o.n.) and just about everything else life throws at me.......

Minimise Harm.

Two simple words, but amazingly complex in practice, and sometimes difficult to implement.

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 5:40:23 AM   
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  1. Life is too short to go to bed angry or to not say goodbye, I love you. (having lost a child to murder, I know this one to be very true)
  2. Life is too short to work at something you hate. Find what you love to do and make it your career.
  3. Laugh. It may not be funny now but one day it will be. Perspective changes with time.
  4. Love with all your heart, Committ to life fully. Trust in your self. Follow the beat of your Drummer.
  5. To thine own self be true. Stay honest with yourself and you will find few reasons to be dishonest with others.
  6. It takes great effort to remember a lie and to whom you told it, it takes none to remember the truth. Tell the truth and shame the devil.

poenkitten (typos before coffee)

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 5:47:45 AM   
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Rule number 1:

Every relationship involving 1 or more people needs its own, custom, rulebook. I do not see how anybody else's rulebook could fit someone else's relationship. Unless, the people involved are clones or too lazy to do it themselves.

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 5:53:04 AM   
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I've always liked the saying,

""DANCE like no ones watching, SING like no ones listening, LIVE like its heaven on earth and Love like you've never been hurt !!"
 
I think these are very good rules to live by.

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 5:57:54 AM   
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For the n00bs who have not the experience, or wit, you have, may not know where to begin thier exploration, or how. The "book" I am going to finish with will be no more than a few KEY elements to focus on, honesty and communication and the like. So for a big part of it, yes your right. This IS a stab at the notion of there being rules that govern WIITWD, but it is also advice I believe that n00bs should hear, and adhere to.

Not all of us think only of our own position as a reference point for what we can offer to assist others.

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Peace


While you may think that what you seek to do is new and exciting it is not. Jay Wiseman and Jack Rinella to name a few have already beaten you to the punch and when newbies are seeking information, we generally do point them in that direction. See Greenery Press or even Amazon.com for you local dealers. There's the Topping Book, The Bottoming Book, SM:101, Screw The Roses Send me the Thorns, all that have put forth the basic rules for entering this life choice safely. All else can be found in these forums, and in vast archives all over the net.

More than anything else, the rules for WIITWD are different for every person, couple, poly family, gorean, or mixture of people. I can tell you my rules for Life, and they will not  be the same as someone elses, the same applies for our sexuality. Rules for me, do not apply to you or even to another sub in my household. They are tailored to the needs of the people involved. So what you resonably have is the rules that people live by anyway, despite the kink. The rest are rules that apply to them, but not to everyone.

There is no one true way. Even J. Jacobs couldn't force one on everyone. Hell, we can't even get states or Countries to agree on laws, you expect those involved in BDSM or Kink of ANY Type to have common laws..Good Luck in compiling them..and in getting anyone to follow them.

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RE: The Rules - 2/24/2008 6:18:14 AM   
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The fact that safewords have as yet been unmentioned is of concern to me. There are many things that you, the experienced do not tend to think of as being "rules" for you have been doing them so long they are second nature, unthought of dynamics no longer needed to be conveyed.




Do you believe using safewords is a "rule" then? Or is it that they hadn't yet been mentioned in any context ? I don't use them myself. I do much better with feedback and open communication than trying to remember a special word or signal. It works great for me and keeps me from putting too much into a magic stop word. Sometimes people rely too much on a safeword, thinking it will magically keep them safe. A predator or abuser isn't going to respect a safeword. It's just another way of communicating and it scares me how some have elevated it to so much more and put unrealistic expectations on a word.

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