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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 3:49:47 PM   
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Good.

Maybe this will take some of the fire out of this stupid Obama-mania.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 3:55:39 PM   
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You know, they pulled that "they're both so close to one another, there's really no difference" crap last time, didn't they. Does anyone STILL believe that a Gore presidency would have been indistinuishable from the nightmare we've been living under for the last seven years?

Imagine if Gor had gotten in, if the FL GOP judge had actually fairly called the election in his favor...

9/11: never happened because Gore would have read the Daily Intel brief that week. A minor step up in security at airports thwarts their plans.

or, if it had happened:

We attack Afghanatan, and we don't bother with Iraq at all. 4,000+ American troops still alive, 20,000+ are not wounded, and 60,000 + Iraqi civilians still alive. Iraq's infrastructure still intact. Hussein still in power, but Iraq is not a training/breeding ground for terrorists. Al Queda crushed.



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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 4:05:39 PM   
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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 4:29:31 PM   
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Bull... LOL

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 4:42:50 PM   
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   The doom and gloom of this thread is hilarious.  Nader has no more power to alter the outcome of this election than he had in 2000.  It's just that Democrats have become habituated to blaming all their failures on somebody else. 

  

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 4:47:46 PM   
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   The doom and gloom of this thread is hilarious.  Nader has no more power to alter the outcome of this election than he had in 2000.  It's just that Democrats have become habituated to blaming all their failures on somebody else. 

  


Rich, I gotta disagree. I think Obama is going to emerge as the Dem candidate. I think what Obama offers is enough of a change to prevent "the disgruntled" from voting for Nader. In the past when a third party candidate has affected an election is when the first two choices are weak and many people cast a vote for the third party out of apathy or disgust.

I really believe that this Obama thang is for real...People are discouraged and pissed off about the way things have been run for quite some time...(Not just counting the debacle of the last eight years) People are upset that their voice has been discounted for too long. Nader will be marginalized. He represents "the past" just like every other candidate that is running.


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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 4:56:30 PM   
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quote:

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General reply:

  The doom and gloom of this thread is hilarious.  Nader has no more power to alter the outcome of this election than he had in 2000.  It's just that Democrats have become habituated to blaming all their failures on somebody else. 

 


The liberals continue to use the same strategy....push an ultra-left agenda. They made that mistake in 2000, 20004, and they are making it again in 2008. 2006, the Democrats went moderate and picked up big wins.

This is not a socialist nation. It's going to be funny to watch Obama and the Democrats get into power and then totally implode. Either they will screw up on foreign policy and millions will die. Or they will totally destroy our healthcare system. Either way....they are out in 2012. This government is WAY too big and way out of control. And the only solution the Dems have is to make it bigger?
It took a Jimmy Carter to get to Reagan. It looks like we will need another Jimmy Carter to get to the next Reagan.

You sheep that cheer when Obama sneeze are the dumbest voters I've ever seen. The man has never had a job. He has never ran a business. He has not even served a full term in the senate. He has not authored any significant legislation. He has said he will meet with America's enemies without precondition. He apparently seems ready to stab Israel in the back, pull out of Iraq, and allow millions to be slaughtered.

The man is going to be probably be the worst president we've ever had. And I am going to point and laugh in the face of every idiot that is voting for this fraud. If you want a decent Democrat that won't crash and burn....pick Hillary. At least Bill knows foreign policy. But nope...the communists in the Democratic party didn't think the Clintons were radical enough. So we get the Obamination.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 5:16:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

General reply:

  The doom and gloom of this thread is hilarious.  Nader has no more power to alter the outcome of this election than he had in 2000.  It's just that Democrats have become habituated to blaming all their failures on somebody else. 

 



You sheep that cheer when Obama sneeze are the dumbest voters I've ever seen. The man has never had a job. He has never ran a business. He has not even served a full term in the senate. He has not authored any significant legislation. He has said he will meet with America's enemies without precondition. He apparently seems ready to stab Israel in the back, pull out of Iraq, and allow millions to be slaughtered.

The man is going to be probably be the worst president we've ever had. And I am going to point and laugh in the face of every idiot that is voting for this fraud. If you want a decent Democrat that won't crash and burn....pick Hillary. At least Bill knows foreign policy. But nope...the communists in the Democratic party didn't think the Clintons were radical enough. So we get the Obamination.


So how well has it worked for you by picking those that have "ran a business" ..."Served a full term in the Senate"... Have "authored significant legislation"...How has that been succcesful in the past? Point to a recent President and make your case....Please I'm all ears. Make your case. If you are going to post this type of garbage please back it up with examples.





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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 5:19:45 PM   
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      DG, I'm coming closer and closer to stepping behind Obama, despite many concerns about him (like he's way too liberal for my outlook, says and does really dumb things on the campaign trail and is somewhere between inexperienced and naive).  He is the only candidate talking about an issue that is very high on my list.

    Weighing the pro and cons is going to take a while.  If I had to vote tomorrow, Barry wouldn't have it.


    As for Ralphie, I never want him in power.  I voted for him in 2000 to say "fuck you" to Al Gore.  Spongebob Squarepants would have just as well.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 5:19:50 PM   
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You sheep that cheer when Obama sneeze are the dumbest voters I've ever seen. The man has never had a job. He has never ran a business. He has not even served a full term in the senate. He has not authored any significant legislation. He has said he will meet with America's enemies without precondition. He apparently seems ready to stab Israel in the back, pull out of Iraq, and allow millions to be slaughtered.

The man is going to be probably be the worst president we've ever had. And I am going to point and laugh in the face of every idiot that is voting for this fraud. If you want a decent Democrat that won't crash and burn....pick Hillary. At least Bill knows foreign policy. But nope...the communists in the Democratic party didn't think the Clintons were radical enough. So we get the Obamination.


Well, AnencephalyBoy has bankrupted every company he had any control over.  Im not sure if that makes him more or less qualified than Obama.

AnencephalyBoy also set the bar far higher to be considered the worst president ever.

I guess I have been laughing in the face of every cretin who voted in the Dipshit In Chief, so perhaps it is my turn and I look forward to being the object of your derision.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 5:21:48 PM   
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On a related note, how can a person not know anything AND be the worst thing ever?

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 5:23:12 PM   
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quote:

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      DG, I'm coming closer and closer stepping behind Obama, despite many concerns about him (like he's way too liberal for my outlook, says and does really dumb things on the campaign trail and is somewhere between inexperienced and naive).  He is the only candidate talking about an issue that is very high on my list.

     Weighing the pro and cons is going to take a while.  If I had to vote tomorrow, Barry wouldn't have it.


     As for Ralphie, I never want him in power.  I voted for him in 2000 to say "fuck you" to Al Gore.  Spongebob Squarepants would have just as well.



See..This is where we agree....lol...Did I just say that? If all things remain equal, there are going to be some cross overs. Maybe not out of support for Obama but being disillusioned by the agenda of their current party. It's only four years...Some people just might be thinking in this manner. If he can do some of the shit that he talks about maybe things might actually get better.

If not...Resume our current course after a four year mini detour.

We can pass the time smokin' weed in the basement....lol.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 5:26:22 PM   
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I really doubt Gore having won the election would've stopped 9/11.  Or Katrina.


Gore wouldn`t have demoted Richard A. Clarke  or killed the Terrorism Tzar cabnet level post.

Gore wouldn`t have  fired FBI al-queda expert John P. O'Neill  ,who was absolutely obsessed with al queda and bin laden.

If those guys were not pushed out,a very good case can be made that 9/11 could have been prevented.

At the very least,if there were guys on the ball working at that time(like them) ,the 2nd tower could have been saved as well as the Pentagon.

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"What if the CIA had shared information with the FBI back in Jan. 2001 about a meeting in Malaysia and a participant named Khallad? It was information that might have helped O'Neill connect the dots to the 9/11 conspirators.

And what if O'Neill had been able to return to Yemen and the FBI's Cole investigation back in Jan. 2001 to interrograte Fahad al-Quso. Al-Quso had been picked up early in the Cole probe--and al-Quso also had connections to that Malaysia meeting and had met with 9/11 hijackers who had attended it."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

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Btw,O`Niell was head of security at the WTC and walked into the building just after the jets hit.He lost his life that day.


If anyone wants a fair and thoroughly documented assessment of the months and years leading up to the 9/11 attacks,this Frontline report is excellent.

There`s no 9/11 Truthers BS and no neo-con spin either.It interviews the actual people who were there and doesn`t spare anyone.

The fact that Bush closed the CIA bin laden unit(a unit Clinton/Gore started),speaks volumns.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13699308/

so does this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o

If you can come up with Gore or Clinton saying something as stupid,I`ll let you "drink my milkshake."

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 5:53:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

General reply:

The doom and gloom of this thread is hilarious.  Nader has no more power to alter the outcome of this election than he had in 2000.  It's just that Democrats have become habituated to blaming all their failures on somebody else. 




The liberals continue to use the same strategy....push an ultra-left agenda. They made that mistake in 2000, 20004, and they are making it again in 2008. 2006, the Democrats went moderate and picked up big wins.

This is not a socialist nation. It's going to be funny to watch Obama and the Democrats get into power and then totally implode. Either they will screw up on foreign policy and millions will die. Or they will totally destroy our healthcare system. Either way....they are out in 2012. This government is WAY too big and way out of control. And the only solution the Dems have is to make it bigger?
It took a Jimmy Carter to get to Reagan. It looks like we will need another Jimmy Carter to get to the next Reagan.

You sheep that cheer when Obama sneeze are the dumbest voters I've ever seen. The man has never had a job. He has never ran a business. He has not even served a full term in the senate. He has not authored any significant legislation. He has said he will meet with America's enemies without precondition. He apparently seems ready to stab Israel in the back, pull out of Iraq, and allow millions to be slaughtered.

The man is going to be probably be the worst president we've ever had. And I am going to point and laugh in the face of every idiot that is voting for this fraud. If you want a decent Democrat that won't crash and burn....pick Hillary. At least Bill knows foreign policy. But nope...the communists in the Democratic party didn't think the Clintons were radical enough. So we get the Obamination.



" It's going to be funny to watch Obama and the Democrats get into power and then totally implode. Either they will screw up on foreign policy and millions will die. Or they will totally destroy our healthcare system"

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What`s so fuck`n funny about that?!?

If you think that`s funny,you must be ROTFLYAO about Iraq.

ha-ha-ha





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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 6:10:43 PM   
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I dont see how bashing Bush is an arguement that supports Obama.

BUSH IS NOT RUNNING THIS YEAR!!! We all agree Bush was a failure! That's not an arguement!

But does that mean we then have to go out and pick the most inexperienced far-left wing whackjob we can find to fix the country?

Give me a god damn break! Believe it or not, there can be worse people than Bush. And I fully believe Barak Hussain Obama will be worse. There is NOTHING he has said that will even cause me to think of voting for him. In fact, practically everything he says makes me want to run the other direction.

I mean seriously...should I be concerned about the water? Because something is really weird about the people that support this fraud.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 6:24:14 PM   
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I dont see how bashing Bush is an arguement that supports Obama.



You said Obama would be the worst President ever, then used a few points to prove your case.

Well, AnencephalyBoy had a far worse record and has performed abysmally.

Your points did not stand up to support your case.

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BUSH IS NOT RUNNING THIS YEAR!!! We all agree Bush was a failure! That's not an arguement!



Most of the Iraq War and Neo-Con Cheerleading Squad have finally slinked off to wallow in their embarassment, and none have the cajones to step up and go "gee, we were so wrong."

So I dont agree that we all agree Bush was a failure.

I would agree that any number of people are incapable of admitting they are wrong.

quote:



But does that mean we then have to go out and pick the most inexperienced far-left wing whackjob we can find to fix the country?



He seems more qualified than the nitwits the Right are presenting.

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Give me a god damn break!



Dont like the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

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Believe it or not, there can be worse people than Bush. And I fully believe Barak Hussain Obama will be worse. There is NOTHING he has said that will even cause me to think of voting for him. In fact, practically everything he says makes me want to run the other direction.



I would love to hear something factual to back up your opinion of him.  Opinions are like assholes, we all have one and they all stink sometimes, but all you have offered up is "I hate that guy!" as a rationale.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 6:39:29 PM   
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He wants to eliminate America's nuclear arsenal.
He stated that he wants to withdrawl troops from Iraq and force the Iraqi government to "live up to their obligation." What if they can't? What if we start withdrawling and more and more violence breaks out? What if we are out and the whole country collapses? You dont think the bad blood between the Sunnis and Shia will boil over into genocide? You don't think the Kurds will attempt to declare independance leading to an invasion by the Turks? You think Iran and Syria will sit idle while all this goes on? None of our business....yeah...well. When the gas price at the pump shoots up to $8 a gallon and our economy falls into depression....we will see how many still believe it is none of our business. Like it or not, our economy is oil-driven. And that area of the world where we are fighting is the biggest oil market in the world. If that plummits into chaos, we are done.

He stated in the last debate that he would be willing to meet with America's enemies without precondition. That right there would be a disaster. He will lead America right into a trap of blackmail. And our enemies will walk all over us. We tried to play nice with the North Koreans in the mid-90s. They refused to honor their part of the agreement and ended up blackmailing us again for more concessions. Our enemies are not interested in making peace. They want to see us knocked down. That's what they want.

And then domestically? Lets give amnesty to millions that knowingly broke the law. Lets open the borders and bring in more cheap labor to kill off what's left of the middle class. Lets bring rise to universal healthcare which will diminish inovation, push doctors away from the profession, and weaken hospital staffs.
And then the liberal solution to the mortgage crisis? Bail-out.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 6:46:42 PM   
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quote:

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I dont see how bashing Bush is an arguement that supports Obama.

BUSH IS NOT RUNNING THIS YEAR!!! We all agree Bush was a failure! That's not an arguement!

But does that mean we then have to go out and pick the most inexperienced far-left wing whackjob we can find to fix the country?

Give me a god damn break! Believe it or not, there can be worse people than Bush. And I fully believe Barak Hussain Obama will be worse. There is NOTHING he has said that will even cause me to think of voting for him. In fact, practically everything he says makes me want to run the other direction.

I mean seriously...should I be concerned about the water? Because something is really weird about the people that support this fraud.


BUSH IS NOT RUNNING THIS YEAR!!!

YES HE IS, (lol)  in the form of John McCain.

Same Bush policy,same Bush taste.


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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 6:52:08 PM   
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He wants to eliminate America's nuclear arsenal.



Who doesn't?

Our non-military arsenal is more destructive against the kinds of enemies we are likely to ever see, and they dont make the land we bombed a toxic wasteland for 25,000 years.

Besides which, they only work 20 years or so and have to be remachined for a war we are unlikely to ever see again.

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He stated that he wants to withdrawl troops from Iraq and force the Iraqi government to "live up to their obligation." What if they can't? What if we start withdrawling and more and more violence breaks out? What if we are out and the whole country collapses?



What if we stay there because your clown screwed the pooch and OUR economy collapses.

What then?

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You dont think the bad blood between the Sunnis and Shia will boil over into genocide? You don't think the Kurds will attempt to declare independance leading to an invasion by the Turks? You think Iran and Syria will sit idle while all this goes on?



Must suck to realize that leaving Saddam Hussein in power would have prevented all this.

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None of our business....yeah...well. When the gas price at the pump shoots up to $8 a gallon and our economy falls into depression....we will see how many still believe it is none of our business.



Weird, gas tripled in price when the Dipshit in Chief invaded.

Im not saying it is none of my business, but your side already screwed things up, and now you want to blame Liberals.

I find it fascinating.

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He stated in the last debate that he would be willing to meet with America's enemies without precondition. That right there would be a disaster. He will lead America right into a trap of blackmail. And our enemies will walk all over us. We tried to play nice with the North Koreans in the mid-90s. They refused to honor their part of the agreement and ended up blackmailing us again for more concessions. Our enemies are not interested in making peace. They want to see us knocked down. That's what they want.



The only reason Korea was able to do anything was because the Dipshit in Chief was overextended in Iraq and Afghanistan and the North Koreans took advantage of it.

The Dipshit in Chief is doing a wonderful job knocking us down.  I would be the first to tell other countries that AnencephalyBoy and the Republicans have it covered.

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And then the liberal solution to the mortgage crisis? Bail-out.



As opposed to the Republican solution to the mortgage crises?  bail-out.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/24/2008 8:13:21 PM   
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We should have Nader in just to prove the point that the Democratic/Republican team is not the only one who runs this nation. The people need to make it show. Any "True Liberal" would not vote for either of these traditional parties that continue to get richer and toast champain together behind the curtain.

Let's not forget that Naders agenda last go around was about pointing out the differences in CEOs and the middle class who works for them.

When you listen to Obama talk about corporation, CEOs, tax breaks, and the middle class, he sound very much like Nader in the 2004 election. Obama is giving the same speech but as a member of the democratic party. How does being apart of a political party get you more votes when you're repeating the same agenda that a independent said before? If the speech didn't work then, why would it work now just four years later said by a different person?

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