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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/25/2008 4:19:15 AM

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I wonder if Nader will choose fellow Green Partyer Cynthia McKinney to be his running mate?

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/25/2008 6:26:43 AM

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I will admit that Senator Obama makes me wonder a little. There are other things that make me wonder, for instance ... How come the same people that bitch about him not having a stand on the issue, bitch even louder when we takes one? Senator Clinton has a well articulated stand on almost every issue. How is that working out for her?

Any chance that Senator Obama is smart, and knows the way to win?
Any chance that Senator Obama is smart, and knows what it takes to make things happen?

You mentioned meeting with our enemies as a poor idea. Well, certainly for President Bush, it would be a poor plan. Probably the same for former President Clinton, who would be looking for campaign contributions. Yes, these two aren't in the race, but the point remains. Have you considered that Senator Obama might be smart enough not to get played by our enemies ... or, imagine the possibility, he might be smart enough to actually play them for a change?

You mentioned heathcare. Any chance that Senator Obama, shortly after taking office, might tell Anerican drug companies that the days of charging Americans twice what they charge everyone else for scripts, are over, and if they don't comply they can ready themselves for a constant wave of attention from federal agencies. After all, it's not like they can send their lobbyist to come collecting ... he didn't take any money from them. If he could do just that ... that, and that alone, imagine the impact lower costs for medications would have on the most vulnerable in our society?

So ... perhaps we can chill on Senator Obama a bit. Some think he doesn't have a formed stance on the issues. Fine ... I'm a college student typing in the library before my 9am class, and I have a formed stance on every issue. I bet you do too. Do you really think that a United States Senator, could possibly not have a stance on the issues?

Some think he is hyper-liberal ... well, maybe that woudn't hurt us right now. You know, if we raised minimum wage, those lower income workers would spend every penny of that money ... might just be good for the economy.

You know those workers we have here in America, we aren't going to be able to get rid of them, no matter how many people want to. It would take an effort that would make D-Day look like summer camp. Senator Obama did discuss amnesty ... but he also used terms like, learn English, get a job, pay taxes and get in the back of the bus. That happened right here in Houston. You left that part out of your thread ... right?

Bottom line ... right now the Democrats are selecting a candidate. You don't seem to be a Democrat, so at this point, the attack based logic is off base. A little funny really ... it's clear that Republicans fear running against Senator Obama. I'm not sure why Republican would attack him during the primary. Doesn't that only help him, under the "enemy of my enemy" point of view.

Lots of time left to to call him a communist, so no hurry.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/25/2008 6:57:11 AM

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It took a Jimmy Carter to get to Reagan. It looks like we will need another Jimmy Carter to get to the next Reagan.

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I used this reference after President Clinton was elected first term. He turned out to be a much better Republican than the current President Bush. Foolish because he let sex and the definition of 'is' impact his potential for accomplishments; but not as totally incompetent as the 'Lusty Heart' President. I believe Senator McCain would be a much better Democrat than any running on the Democratic ticket who would, in the 60's, be closer identified with the Socialist party platform. Not that it is good or bad to be Socialist but platform positions should be considered more than than self applied labels. Except of course for those who need a label or name call, lacking the skill to make a point.

Meanwhile, I am so enjoying watching the frustration of the party who believed after 2006 that the Presidency was theirs and, in particular, Senator Clinton's for the taking. Seeing the frustration on her face brings me much joy. Now she's taken the route of using out of context pictures, since out of context quotes didn't work. Obama in Muslim garb taken in 2006 distributed by her staffers: http://www.drudgereport.com/flashoa.htm

Senator McCain's gotta love it. Senator McCain doesn't have to run a negative campaign, all he has to do is rerun what Senator Clinton and President Clinton said about him.

I'm glad to have Ralph running. Not that he has a chance to win, but it gives an alternative. With Ralph running you can vote against BOTH political parties. I had hoped to be able to vote FOR someone but that doesn't seem possible. Left with only Senator Obama or Senator McCain, Obama may have been the beneficiary of the non-McCain vote. Now Ralph says 'no' in a way Obama can't.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/25/2008 8:41:39 AM

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You know those workers we have here in America, we aren't going to be able to get rid of them, no matter how many people want to. It would take an effort that would make D-Day look like summer camp. Senator Obama did discuss amnesty ... but he also used terms like, learn English, get a job, pay taxes and get in the back of the bus. That happened right here in Houston. You left that part out of your thread ... right?

Would you provide a link to that 'back of the bus' comment? I can't seem to find it, and since there is a huge difference between teling someone to get on board with the rest of us, and telling people they are only good enough to sit in the back of the bus, i'd like to see the exact words.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/25/2008 9:36:49 AM

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He actually said back of the line ... not sure why I said back of the bus.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/us/politics/19text-obama.html?pagewanted=5&_r=1
The statement is on page five.

I think the point is, he is not just giving amnesty, as some have suggested. There are clearly condition.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/25/2008 9:45:23 AM

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I appreciate that, because I didn't think he had 'gone there'...

And he isn't wrong to point out that in a nation of immigrants, the starting point has to be occupied by someone, so that they can have their turn at the good old melting pot.

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RE: Ralph Nader's Running - 2/25/2008 12:16:12 PM

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Caitlyn, he can mention "amnesty" all he wants.
It won't go through the senate and it certainly won't get through the house!
When we see the employers who hire illegal aliens on the news wearing orange jump suits doing the perp walk then you'll see a lot of illegals leaving.
I don't know why people keep saying that we can't do "massive deportations" when they wouldn't be neccessary in the first place if we just enforced the laws that are on the books now.
A very easy problem to solve.

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