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SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/1/2008 7:12:19 AM)

In all honesty the only way I can tell if someone is a vampire or not is if they've taken a picture of themselves in the mirror because their camera’s timer function is so elusive to them.[8|]




Sweet1Maybe4U -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/1/2008 8:50:47 AM)

*giggles to herself...you have a wonderful sense of humor Sl4V3M4yB3...was just reading your stuff on the virginity thread ..and now here....you be funny..




LilMinxy1 -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/1/2008 9:03:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: missfrillypants

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ORIGINAL: LilMinxy1

Oh, and as for psy vamps, I've had people tell me that I am one and thats my problem.  They say thats why when I go in a room I can feel when someone is upset or angry or happy.  Sometimes I feel like I cant breathe when there are angry people, eventhough they haven't shown that they are angry.  I believe everyone has the ability to be sensitive to these things.....some dont realize its there and some block it out.  PsyVamp?  Idk, but I did read up on it a long time ago, and of course watched the doc on vamps.  Love me some good vamp stories!!  Interesting thought, these PsyVamps.[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m11.gif[/image]


that sounds more like an empath to me if all you do is feel what other people feel or notice their feelings. i happen to know someone who's a psi vamp... if i'm around him for too long  i start to get tired and he starts to get more and more energetic.


Yes, I replied with much the same answer.  The PsyVamp thing was the opinions of others, I have always felt more of the empath thing.  But....thats a whole other story!




missfrillypants -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/2/2008 12:20:13 PM)

vampires don't show up in mirrors, SL4V3M4YB3! don't you read? actually, i was a member of a site that had a long debate over whether a vampire would be visible on digital cameras or if the reason vampires weren't able to be photographed with old fashioned cameras was the silver and/or mirrors used in early cameras, and whether vampires only didn't show up in silver backed mirrors or not...

but... actually, my camera is really cheap and doesn't have a timer feature, and i took that photo to show the flash because i like sparkly things.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/2/2008 12:59:15 PM)

Shock horror you mean to tell me my joke doesn't make sense because I can't confirm who isn't a vampire from the fact non-vampires show up in mirrors? If you can’t prove a positive prove a negative. i.e. process of elimination.

"No more things should be presumed to exist than are absolutely necessary" - William of Occam.




Najakcharmer -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/2/2008 1:16:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joanus
Yes Science is expanding by leaps and bounds and every day more and more superstions and supernatural elements are explained or out right debunked.


In my opinion that is a subtly but seriously flawed viewpoint.  Science is a neutral tool of exploration, and it is simply irrelevant to superstition.  If you go into an investigation with an active agenda to either prove or disprove something, especially something that is foolish and irrelevant, your methodology is flawed from the beginning.  Certainly one of the expected outcomes of proper scientific inquiry is to present better explanations for natural phenomena that have previously been "explained" in non scientific metaphor.  But that is not why science must progress.


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  Now "Bigfoot" I find a probabal animal. Why? Because for thousands of years people have told stories about a giant ape-man all over the world. With no way to communicate between them, Some how all of the desriptions of the animal are the same. Bigfoot (America) Yeti (west Asia) Yasha(japan), exept for the name the creature is discribed exactly the same way even though the stories and places are a great deal aways.


Actually if your sole evidence is that geographically disparate cultures are all telling the same story, your answer is likely to be sociological rather than zoological.   I won't be terribly surprised if we do eventually find a cryptid primate species or two, but the etiology of a story "told all over the world" strongly suggests factors other than animals. 


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Sorry I don't spend my time researching crackpot threories an so called scientific "experaments" I actually have a life.


Uh, neither do I.  You appear to have missed my earlier point that these photography techniques have nothing to do with "auras" or any sort of supernatural phenomenon.  They have been eagerly taken up by people who believe that measuring bioelectric fields has something to do with "souls" or "auras" or whatever they believe, and that's regrettable because it makes the common uneducated person believe that the techniques themselves are metaphysical.  They aren't; at the moment they're primarily medical.


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No the human brain is more wired for stupidity (take a look at this thread) and denial.


Yes, I've noticed.  For instance, you apparently think that you're a skeptic arguing with a believer. [8D]




Termyn8or -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/2/2008 1:20:06 PM)

Silly, don't you know the laws of physics. If a silver bullet can kill them then you need a silver mirror to reflect them. Geez, simple scifionics and they just don't get it. I doubt people know a laser wrench from a quantum drill.

Some don't even know high performance lugnuts from muffler bearings.

Which brings us to another question, when they had a stake in the vamp's heart, why didn't they just burnem casket and all ?

T




missfrillypants -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/3/2008 8:36:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
-snip-

Which brings us to another question, when they had a stake in the vamp's heart, why didn't they just burnem casket and all ?

T


because it wouldn't leave the door open for another sequel.




joanus -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/4/2008 7:39:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Which brings us to another question, when they had a stake in the vamp's heart, why didn't they just burnem casket and all ?

T


A lot of people seem to have misread Brom Strokers "Draclua" and there for have gotten a lot of things wrong.

First of all The whole stake throught the heart thing. The stake was merely to hold the vampire down so that the Hunters could behead the creature. the stake is not a requirment for killing A vamp merely removing the head will do. And No the do not put a buffy and turn to dust once you stake them in the heart.

Second Dracula was out in broad daylight dueing at least two scenes that I can think of off the top of my head.
First when he came to visit John Harker's room while he was shaving in the morning. there was even a passage that said "...and his face looked ashy in the mornings light as it had last night at dinner..."
Second in the last chapter when The Hunter finally caught Dracula's coffin the ripped it open (also in broad day light) and managed to drive a stake through his heart, but before they could chop off his head he smiled turned to dust. This was likly some sort of selfdestruct trick to keep them from having the sadisfaction of killing him.

Lastly Dracula was a Homosexual. Thats right Drake was queer, Only in the english printing of "Dracula" does it call the three Vixens his "Brides" in all other languages it uses the word "daughters". Dracula was written during the Victorian era as a sort of sexual rebellion, Brohms way "of sticking it to the man".

I find that most people are either illiterate or have a failure to fulling understand what they read.

PS Najakcharmer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography

"Kirlian made controversial claims that his method showed proof of supernatural auras, "

This "snake oil" is still being sold to day at your local occult store, goth shops and trade shows. Thought any one who has ever played with one of those ElectroGlobes will tell you its just the electrical discharge from your body. Though all PsiVamps and a large majority of the Mordern Vampire Scene Swear that it is an aura. But we smart people know better.

Also slaveboyforyou and Dregg13 the original spelling of the word Vampire was Wampyre (pronounced; Wham-par-eh) a direct romanization of the original language spoken throught out Romanina nad Transilvanina. The acsent in english (example: I vant to suck your blood) gave birth to the word Vampye (pronounced; Vam-par-eh) the written word was most likly misprnounced ( the "pyre" pronounced; Pie-are) Gave want to the New English spelling of Vampire.
Hence the evolution of the word Vampire.




Najakcharmer -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/4/2008 10:43:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joanus
PS Najakcharmer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography

"Kirlian made controversial claims that his method showed proof of supernatural auras, "


From the same source you just quoted: "Kirlian's work, from 1939 onward, involved an independent rediscovery of a phenomenon and technique variously called "electrography," "electrophotography," and "corona discharge photography." The underlying physics (which makes xerographic copying possible) was explored as early as 1777 by Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (see Lichtenberg figures). Later workers in the field included Nikola Tesla; various other individuals explored the effect in the later 19th and early 20th centuries. {...}  Dr. Konstantin Korotkov uses GDV (Gas Discharge Visualization) based on the Kirlian Effect. GDV instruments use glass electrodes to create a pulsed electrical field excitation (called "perturbation technique") to measure electro-photonic glow. [2] The Korotkov methods are used in some hospitals and athletic training programs in Russia and elsewhere as preventative measurements for detecting stress. The Russian Academy of Science has approved the GDV techniques and equipment in 1999 for general clinical use. [3]  There has been some published research in peer-reviewed scientific journals regarding GDV and related material, including several articles in the Journal of Applied Physics."

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This "snake oil" is still being sold to day at your local occult store, goth shops and trade shows.


Okay....and who cares?  The New Age (rhymes with "sewage") crowd also thinks that stars can forecast the future or predict your personality based on your horoscope.  This does not invalidate astronomy.  Bioelectric fields are a perfectly legitimate subject of medical research, and they are not supernatural or metaphysical in the least. 




missfrillypants -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/10/2008 1:17:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joanus

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A lot of people seem to have misread Brom Strokers "Draclua" and there for have gotten a lot of things wrong.

First of all The whole stake throught the heart thing. The stake was merely to hold the vampire down so that the Hunters could behead the creature. the stake is not a requirment for killing A vamp merely removing the head will do. And No the do not put a buffy and turn to dust once you stake them in the heart.

Second Dracula was out in broad daylight dueing at least two scenes that I can think of off the top of my head.
First when he came to visit John Harker's room while he was shaving in the morning. there was even a passage that said "...and his face looked ashy in the mornings light as it had last night at dinner..."
Second in the last chapter when The Hunter finally caught Dracula's coffin the ripped it open (also in broad day light) and managed to drive a stake through his heart, but before they could chop off his head he smiled turned to dust. This was likly some sort of selfdestruct trick to keep them from having the sadisfaction of killing him.

Lastly Dracula was a Homosexual. Thats right Drake was queer, Only in the english printing of "Dracula" does it call the three Vixens his "Brides" in all other languages it uses the word "daughters". Dracula was written during the Victorian era as a sort of sexual rebellion, Brohms way "of sticking it to the man".

I find that most people are either illiterate or have a failure to fulling understand what they read.

PS Najakcharmer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography

"Kirlian made controversial claims that his method showed proof of supernatural auras, "

This "snake oil" is still being sold to day at your local occult store, goth shops and trade shows. Thought any one who has ever played with one of those ElectroGlobes will tell you its just the electrical discharge from your body. Though all PsiVamps and a large majority of the Mordern Vampire Scene Swear that it is an aura. But we smart people know better.

Also slaveboyforyou and Dregg13 the original spelling of the word Vampire was Wampyre (pronounced; Wham-par-eh) a direct romanization of the original language spoken throught out Romanina nad Transilvanina. The acsent in english (example: I vant to suck your blood) gave birth to the word Vampye (pronounced; Vam-par-eh) the written word was most likly misprnounced ( the "pyre" pronounced; Pie-are) Gave want to the New English spelling of Vampire.
Hence the evolution of the word Vampire.
"

actually, i think quite a lot of people just didn't read stoker's dracula at all and instead saw the movie. i'm not knocking your post, but there are so many vampire myths and even so many dracula myths that it's difficult to point at even stoker's piece and say "that's the definitive edition." and if you're going by date, why not choose carmilla or some of the other lesser known pieces that came out before stoker wrote dracula?

and as far as dracula being a homosexual because they were his daughters instead of his brides.... um... it's a little difficult to say that's what mr stoker was thinking when he wrote that now, from so many years after his death and all... i'd like a little bit more evidence that that was what he intended, especially since in order to have daughters one still has to have sex at some point, and um... well, that whole "preying on lucy westenra in a blatantly sexual way..." thing. although one does have to look at the "bloodletting as a sublimination for sex, which was not allowed to be written about in that time period" thing to understand the way the myth of the vampire evolved from that point.




ThinkingKitten -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/10/2008 6:07:17 PM)

OK. What have we established so far....
Top 10 reasons why being a vampire SUCKS (no pun intended...)
1. Always cold
2. Chocolate is tasteless
3. Have to rely on someone else telling you if there is spinach caught in your front teeth, because you can't check it yourself in the mirror (if you DID happen to eat spinach that is, but of course, it too, is tasteless).
4. Everyone around you grows old and dies
5. You can never say screw it to technology, because you spend friggin centuries keeping up with it... I mean, first the Wheel, and then a ploughshare, and that bloody James Watt who invented the steam engine, and then lightbulbs, and zeppelins, and telephones, and 8-track players.... and now you're left with a stupid HD player....
6. Everyone else gets to go to Cancun except you
7. There's always a shortage of O-neg blood
8. Everyone keeps thinking you're EMO dammit.
9. It costs $5000 just to get a half decent coffin to sleep in these days
10.  **Fill in your own idea**




Vendaval -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/10/2008 10:09:29 PM)

The literary character of Dracula was inspired by the historical
person, Vlad Tepes, also known as Vlad the Impaler.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_Dracula

(spelling edit)




Termyn8or -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/10/2008 11:00:03 PM)

Najak, looks like you've grown a brain. Very astute post. Amidst movie lore and who the....... nevermind, you seem to try to bring the wheels of the car back down to the pavement. I like that.

Thing is what the movies say was never my point. I am talking about a being, possibly previously human, who under does a change. By what exact method I do not speculate.

The physiological changes that would make someone that people might describe as a vampire, in real life. Discarding all the mythology and folklore, such a creature could indeed exist IMO.

With certain changes in body chemistry, the basics of being a real vampire are possible. The myths and stories came later. People do that and have done that throughout history, embellished stories.

Brice Li, or Bruce Lee might have been able to go across a room after sitching on a light and get there before the light fully lit. An incandescent. And neither of them was a vampire, they just knew how to tap into that extra energy we all have. Of course they worked out, but there is more to it than that.

T




MissMagnolia -> RE: Vampires (bunked or debunked) (3/10/2008 11:05:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThinkingKitten

OK. What have we established so far....
Top 10 reasons why being a vampire SUCKS (no pun intended...)
2. Chocolate is tasteless



Oh fuck that!! I'm not joining if I can't enjoy chocolate.[sm=noway.gif]




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