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Lockit -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 4:28:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Thinks sixfoot just proved that he doesn't hold with the better treatment in the clubs... because from how he spoke to darchChyle seemed to prove darchChyle's point and seemed as if he held himself above darchChyld.  Interesting...


Hehe, so i'm not the only one to get that feeling?  LoL



It wasn't a feeling... more like a... wtf?  This guy is assisting in making your point! hehe  You do have to give him credit for that ya know... (smile)




SixFootMaster -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 4:35:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster
Sush boy and read.

"From a male Dominant's perspective:"

See that "a" right there? The one you quoted? Yes, that one. It means "This is from MY perspective as a male dominant". You've seen it, I haven't. Perhaps you live in a shittier part of the world then. In my experience, male dominants take one of two attitudes - the one I quoted above, or an open appreciation of the male submissive. I've never witnessed this whole "all male subs are the bottom of the food chain" attitude, I have however witnessed male submissives who want to feel worthless and less than scum, and thrive on being treated like that. Not my cup of tea, but each to their own.

Six,



First: the word is "shush" not sush.

Second: you have in no way earned the right to call me "boy".  it is a derogative term from any but those who have the right to use it, and with love.  Using such a term in such a manner does not do much for your argument, since it shows a gross level of disrespect.  Now i understand that my post was not entirely respectful, but i did so admitting a snarky attitude (which according to Mirriam-Webster is "sarcastic, impertinent, or irreverent in tone or manner") and did not act in such a blatantly hostile manner.

Third:  Why yes, i read "a male Dominant's perspective". 

I also read "Unless gay or bi-sexual, we don't really care about male subs at all"

and "They are a periphery to us and completely outside anything we are interested in."

Finally: As far as where i live, i've seen this in both the southeast and southwest united states.  But i have seen and heard such comments from Austrailians such as yourself.  Now you may have only either spent time amongst such upstanding members of the community as yourself, or perhaps you are selectively ignorant.  i won't venture an opinion on which based on such limited information as i have on you.

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Thinks sixfoot just proved that he doesn't hold with the better treatment in the clubs... because from how he spoke to darchChyle seemed to prove darchChyle's point and seemed as if he held himself above darchChyld.  Interesting...


Hehe, so i'm not the only one to get that feeling?  LoL



Oh settle down. You earned it - if you're going to accuse me of living in a fantasy (as opposed to reality) you'll get the respect that earns. If - on the other hand - you want to be treated like a mature adult, perhaps you should leave the unwarranted insults out? You don't get to just insult anyone, disclaim responsibility for the insults and walk away. "Boy" was not used as an insult, by the way, but as a reprimand or chastisement.

Now to reply to your extraction from context: "we" is used in abstract, to define how I see male dominants as reacting to male submissives. This is my opinion, based on my observations and experiences, and personal attitudes. It has no definitive article.

Six.






darchChylde -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 4:35:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit
It wasn't a feeling... more like a... wtf?  This guy is assisting in making your point! hehe  You do have to give him credit for that ya know... (smile)


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ORIGINAL: darchChylde
Second: you have in no way earned the right to call me "boy".  it is a derogative term from any but those who have the right to use it, and with love.  Using such a term in such a manner does not do much for your argument, since it shows a gross level of disrespect.  Now i understand that my post was not entirely respectful, but i did so admitting a snarky attitude (which according to Mirriam-Webster is "sarcastic, impertinent, or irreverent in tone or manner") and did not act in such a blatantly hostile manner.



*grinz* i did

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

::::::::::just wishing some folks would stick to their own ponds..........:::::::::::


*pouting* But LadyHibiscus, i like the water in this pond so much better in this pond than the submissive pond.  Not to mention, the ducks are prettier here; too.  Can i stay if i promise to try to behave better?






Lockit -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 4:42:47 PM)

Remembers something in scientology about redefining the meaning of words... but not clear on that.  Damn, I have to go study again! BRB




SixFootMaster -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 4:44:35 PM)

*waits patiently*




Lockit -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 4:47:42 PM)

hehehe




darchChylde -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 4:49:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

*waits patiently*


Other than saying that you also have no right to reprimand or chastize me; i'll gladly stand down from this pissing contest.  It's gone from being an intelligent debate to an argument on semantics and assumed intentions.  i've made my point, you've made my point; if you want to continue an argument, i'm sure there are others who would be more than happy to do so with you.  But it's not going to be i, call it cowardly, call it my accepting your point and your dominance.  Call it what you will, whatever makes you feel better, but in the end, you'll have to be talking to yourself.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 4:49:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde



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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

::::::::::just wishing some folks would stick to their own ponds..........:::::::::::


*pouting* But LadyHibiscus, i like the water in this pond so much better in this pond than the submissive pond.  Not to mention, the ducks are prettier here; too.  Can i stay if i promise to try to behave better?





YOU  can swim in our pond anytime, baby!




ShaktiSama -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 4:51:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

::::::::::just wishing some folks would stick to their own ponds..........:::::::::::


Now now.  If the male dominants didn't come to the Mistress forum to talk down to female dominants and male submissives on a regular basis, how would any of us ever learn our place?  [;)]




darchChylde -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 4:53:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

::::::::::just wishing some folks would stick to their own ponds..........:::::::::::


Now now.  If the male dominants didn't come to the Mistress forum to talk down to female dominants and male submissives on a regular basis, how would any of us ever learn our place?  [;)]


*giggles*  Now, you and i may not always see eye to eye; sometimes you remind me that i actually like you.




SixFootMaster -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 4:59:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

*waits patiently*


Other than saying that you also have no right to reprimand or chastize me; i'll gladly stand down from this pissing contest.  It's gone from being an intelligent debate to an argument on semantics and assumed intentions.  i've made my point, you've made my point; if you want to continue an argument, i'm sure there are others who would be more than happy to do so with you.  But it's not going to be i, call it cowardly, call it my accepting your point and your dominance.  Call it what you will, whatever makes you feel better, but in the end, you'll have to be talking to yourself.



Not a pissing contest - you made a mistake, and threw an insult with it. I consider that ample permission to reprimand and chastize you. For the record, I'll react the same to anyone who does that - submissive or dominant, male or female. You want to act like a smart-ass, I'll treat you like one. Naturally, it is your choice whether you read this or not, but I hope you do, and I hope you bear it in mind next time.

For what it's worth, I generally respect your posts, even if your point of view is alien to me. There have been a couple in other forums that I have vehemently agreed with. It's a back-handed compliment that I actually replied and didn't just ignore your post altogether.

Let's call it an instance of miscommunication and leave it at that.

SixFoot.




SixFootMaster -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 5:01:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

::::::::::just wishing some folks would stick to their own ponds..........:::::::::::


Now now.  If the male dominants didn't come to the Mistress forum to talk down to female dominants and male submissives on a regular basis, how would any of us ever learn our place?  [;)]


Et vice versa, right, Shakti?

Six.




xoxi -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 5:19:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Thinks sixfoot just proved that he doesn't hold with the better treatment in the clubs... because from how he spoke to darchChyle seemed to prove darchChyle's point and seemed as if he held himself above darchChyld.  Interesting...


Please. He always gets sarcastic when people quote a post then reply to something entirely different than what it is that he said.

Hearing you say it's because the illiterate one is a male sub is like listening to Al Sharpton's drivel about how a guy who killed a kid in gang crossfire was only executed because he was black.




darchChylde -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 5:23:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xoxi

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

Thinks sixfoot just proved that he doesn't hold with the better treatment in the clubs... because from how he spoke to darchChyle seemed to prove darchChyle's point and seemed as if he held himself above darchChyld.  Interesting...


Please. He always gets sarcastic when people quote a post then reply to something entirely different than what it is that he said.

Hearing you say it's because the illiterate one is a male sub is like listening to Al Sharpton's drivel about how a guy who killed a kid in gang crossfire was only executed because he was black.



*steps up, opens his mouth and closing it again; he instead walks away muttering something about horses and water*




xoxi -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 5:28:12 PM)

*grins*

isn't it great how typing something isn't considered saying something back?




ShaktiSama -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 5:37:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster
You want to act like a smart-ass, I'll treat you like one.


Groovy.  But bear in mind that we'll be returning the favor when you act like a dumb-ass.  [;)]




darchChylde -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 5:37:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xoxi

*grins*

isn't it great how typing something isn't considered saying something back?



Actually, i believe that my point was clearly made.  But for your benefit, i will clarify.  Excusing the referral of me as "the illiterate one" (though it's funny how someone who is a prolific poster on a website can somehow also be unable to read);  what i was saying by typing the "action statement" was that i might as well not respond directly to what you had said.  Due to your own position in your relationship with Sixfootmaster, and the bias inherent to that relationship, and your history of jumping to his defense when he gets into debates.  To wit, "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink".  This means, in this context, that anything said to you about any post of your master's is going to go in one ear and out the other.




ShaktiSama -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 5:44:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster
Et vice versa, right, Shakti?


Sorry, do you see me posting in the Master's forum, the Gorean forum, or the Submissive forum with a chip on my shoulder--?

Much less going there with a submissive in tow to back me up when I pick an EXTREMELY ironic fight?

Uh...no.

That is something we will only see you and Aswad doing.

Sorry, buckaroo.  Equivocating is not equality.  I treat others as I would like to be treated, for the most part.  Y'all might wanna try doing the same.




xoxi -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 5:47:01 PM)

Um that's kinda what I meant...that a direct reply to me, with a quote of mine, is somehow considered "not responding directly" if it's only a typed action thingey.  And I thought it was funny. Funny haha, not funny I'm attacking you.

As someone who lives with Six, day in day out, I would like to think I'm not so 'loveblind' that I can accurately assess both his strengths and his flaws.  If someone points out a flaw of his, and I can't in good conscience disagree with it, I'll stay silent on the subject.  But in this case, when I see the same 'dismissive attitude' of his used in replies to male doms, male subs, femme dommes, fem subs, goreans, furries, adult babies, polyamorists, and whatever else is on this spectrum, I have to say that it's reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally reaching to say that this is an isolated case caused only because you are a male submissive.

There was a thread a while back when he called some Gorean dude 'boy-o' for the same reason.  If you want to take it personally and get all, like, oppressed about it, I'm sure you have the 'right' to do so.  But in this case, it has nothing to do with you as a person and everything to do with what was posted.




xoxi -> RE: Males subs are the "bottom of the food chain" (3/2/2008 5:49:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

quote:

ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster
Et vice versa, right, Shakti?


Sorry, do you see me posting in the Master's forum, the Gorean forum, or the Submissive forum with a chip on my shoulder--?

Much less going there with a submissive in tow to back me up when I pick an EXTREMELY ironic fight?

Uh...no.

That is something we will only see you and Aswad doing.

Sorry, buckaroo.  Equivocating is not equality.  I treat others as I would like to be treated, for the most part.  Y'all might wanna try doing the same.


"a submissive in tow"??

He's at work, I'm at home, and we aren't even COMMUNICATING at the moment.

I wonder if I can get away with saying that you are dismissing me as a female submissive simply because you are a femme domme and therefore think I must only be here because I was told to be, rather than, you know, because I was reading the threads and found something so audacious I had to reply. On my own. With that brain-like thingey telling these owned slavish fingers what to type.

Quelle horreur!




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