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christine1 -> RE: seperate munches? (2/28/2008 5:25:07 PM)

heh, i think i'll show up to one of those youngsters munches and see what they think of this old bag....




AquaticSub -> RE: seperate munches? (2/28/2008 5:27:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Constrictor1

I just read on anther thread( and have experienced this locally), but I am having trouble understanding the seperate by age munches. There are the "regular" munches and then there are the TNG (The Next Generation ages 18-35) munches. Why are we segregating?

Constrictor1


In no particular order...

1. Some older members of the loose collection of people involved in BDSM (henceforth refered to as "community" for sake of simplicity) really look down on the younger folks.
2. Letting anyone in under 21 is a risk for the group.
3. Those under 21 want a group where they can meet.
4. Some of the younger members of the community aren't all that interested in meeting up with older folks or may outright want to avoid them due to bad experiences.
5. Groups will always have different focuses - some focus on play, others on chatting and friendship, others on particular types of relationships, others on age.




Paulsgirl -> RE: seperate munches? (2/28/2008 5:49:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lumus

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ORIGINAL: Paulsgirl

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ORIGINAL: Lumus


What kind of hell do you think I would raise at these younger parties? [;)]  Twelve years since I first tried the 'lifestyle', and I wasn't actively Dominant for half the time; however, I've comfortably held my own up to this point. 


with respect try holding someone else's i hear it's all the rage these days.....[:D]



Ok, this was cute. [:)]



i know you think it's cute and that's probably why you want to hold onto it....mine's cute as well but i do give it up......what the thread about btw?




Lumus -> RE: seperate munches? (2/28/2008 6:24:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: christine1

heh, i think i'll show up to one of those youngsters munches and see what they think of this old bag....


You'd knock em dead, kiddo.  Now stop beating yourself, someone else might want to for a change! [8D]





SailingBum -> RE: seperate munches? (2/28/2008 9:02:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: christine1

heh, i think i'll show up to one of those youngsters munches and see what they think of this old bag....


I off to get a fake ID


BadOne




ShaktiSama -> RE: seperate munches? (2/28/2008 9:18:41 PM)

Hee hee.  I am too old to go to the whippersnapper munch!  That is hilarious.

All of this nonsense makes me a lot less sad that I haven't been to a munch in ages.  [:'(]




Dnomyar -> RE: seperate munches? (2/29/2008 5:16:07 AM)

offers to munch on christine. will even bring the tenderizer.




Volcano -> RE: seperate munches? (2/29/2008 5:45:30 AM)

We haven't had one of these groups pop up in San Antonio yet, so far as I know. 

This reminds me of something I posted to a certain Usenet group (mumble) years ago on the occasion of my 36th birthday. 

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 Too Damned Old.

Yep, that's right, I am now officially old. Having reached the ripe old age of 36, my ancient carcass is now barred from attending events hosted by dozens of BDSM groups across the country. I am referring, of course, to the various "The Next Generation"-type groups that have been popping up almost everywhere lately, most of which have an upper age limit of 35.

When I first got out into the scene 6 years ago, I was among the youngest members of the local groups. How did I go from being a youngster to being a dirty old man in just 6 years?  But I can accept that these kids want some place where they can get away from old folks like us. The problem is, what do us old folks do when our younger friends are away at their TNG meetings?

I propose a new network of groups for us more seasoned folk: Cantankerous Aged Senile Kinksters Exploring Together, or CASKET. With a minimum age of 36, it will give us a place to gather without having to deal with all those damned unruly kids running around all over the place and making us wish we had the internet at that age. I recommend that CASKET meetings be held at the same time as, but at a different location from, the nearest TNG meeting. We can get together and discuss the aches and pains incurred by trying to keep up with younger partners. We can organize a lobbying effort for senior discounts at play parties. Or we can just sit around and bitch about being old. We can have all sorts of fun.

"Back in my day, you actually had to talk face to face
with hundreds of people, uphill, in snow, in the hopes
of finding one that was kinky . . ." 




BlackPhx -> RE: seperate munches? (2/29/2008 6:01:13 AM)

[sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif]Love it...and I remember those days...

poenkitten




Lashra -> RE: seperate munches? (2/29/2008 6:09:19 AM)

Thank goodness my sub is over 35 now he can come hang out with me in the oldster group. We can both share bibs, depends and staring at sagging boobs and asses. [;)]

~Lashra




Dnomyar -> RE: seperate munches? (2/29/2008 6:18:32 AM)

Makes note to self. Self stay away from Lashra's munchie. Don't want to share what size depends do you wear.




Lashra -> RE: seperate munches? (2/29/2008 6:21:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Makes note to self. Self stay away from Lashra's munchie. Don't want to share what size depends do you wear.

Hey don't be dissin my kink! [;)] we buy a size 5x depends and both get inside of it. [8D] Saves on money from the social security check and works as humilation for him because he has to be behind me like the ass part of a duo in a donkey suit.

~Lashra




Dnomyar -> RE: seperate munches? (2/29/2008 6:39:44 AM)

Mmmm I think that he is getting the better deal being behind you in the donkey suit. Lmao the things he could do with a vibrator back there.




thetammyjo -> RE: seperate munches? (2/29/2008 6:58:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Archer

Clubs make the cut off at 21 because news media will sensationalize the headlines at every opportunity.
If the police raid a club and they find 6 people between 18 and 19 what will the headlines read?
TEENS found in SM Sexclub Raid.
It won't matter if nobody was having sex because the rules forbid it
It won't matter that the "Teens" were all of legal age to consent
The only thing that will matter is that the population of the town will be thinking that the club is full of sick pedophiles looking to torture and rape the local schoolgirls. And the city will shut them down.

It's a sad commentary that they have to be this defenssive but they have their reasons.





That would work if ALL clubs and organizations did that. Not all do.

I don't find fear of what might happened to be an acceptable reason for me and like I said I won't go to those groups who practice that discrimination if I find out they have that restriction.

The fact is that the age of consent for sexual activities in the USA is at least 18 everywhere I know of. The age of consent to marriage is similar as is to join the military or vote or many other adult things.

For some of us these are reasons enough to not support groups and munches that ban people under 21.

I've organized and managed munches, play parties, and educational groups. I understand the concerns but I don't find that acceptable to me because I know you can deal with those worried with a bit of education and care.




thetammyjo -> RE: seperate munches? (2/29/2008 7:02:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lumus

I'm not aware of any segregation in my neck of the woods. Given the ages bandied about though, it makes me wonder...

...since I'm 35.

Anyone who's got a glimpse into who I am [and even if you haven't, join in the fun]:

What kind of hell do you think I would raise at these younger parties? [;)] Twelve years since I first tried the 'lifestyle', and I wasn't actively Dominant for half the time; however, I've comfortably held my own up to this point. I'd be more mature than a good number of the younger Dom-boys, I've no doubt, and it's been inferred that I tease well.

Conversely, I'm too young for the "other category", even though a 50-year-old man might have only just entered the 'lifestyle'. WTF?

*snickers* Can't help but laugh at the age thing; it does not apply to me in the least, and yet, the havoc....ahh, the havoc.




I used to have these same thoughts, Lumus.

I helped a college/university group form, I helped host then hosted a city munch, I was active in a big BDSM group -- all well before 30. No one batted an eye at me or didn't allow me to help -- perhaps they sensed I'd be one of the few willing to do the work and goodness knows that is always needed.

But I did get to hear lots of negative talk about younger people, meaning under 40 really, and I always gave folks a look and if I was feeling bitchy I'd point out just how under 40 I was. That usually made them blush in embarrassment but rather than admit they might have an age issue they'd usually say "well you're so mature though" or "except you and Tom of course"/

*rolls eyes*




Dnomyar -> RE: seperate munches? (2/29/2008 7:19:50 AM)

The age of consent to marry varies from state to state. I married my ex when she was 16. I know that some states were lower at the time.




thetammyjo -> RE: seperate munches? (2/29/2008 7:50:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

The age of consent to marry varies from state to state. I married my ex when she was 16. I know that some states were lower at the time.


Yes... thus the reason I said "The fact is that the age of consent for sexual activities in the USA is at least 18 everywhere I know of. The age of consent to marriage is similar as is to join the military or vote or many other adult things." Please note the word "at least 18 everywhere" -- perhaps I didn't state it perfectly but I don't know of a place today in 2008 in the USA where you must be older than 18 to get married or consent to sexual activities of some types or the other things I mentioned.

Does that clear it up?

Age and the law is a very weird dynamic I think. Historically it has been so as well and the justifications for one age vs. another are interesting but at the end seem like just that, justifications.

For example, again from my own family, my mother could marry in 1948 at the age of 18 but my father couldn't marry until 21 unless he got his mother's signature. Returning vets from WWII were pretty pissed and got that law changed -- let a "boy" go into the service where he could die or come back a different person emotionally and psychologically if not physical and then tell him he needs his mommy and/or daddy's permission to marry his "girl", I'd have been damned pissed too.

The justifications for that law was that girls matured faster and yet the reason that only men could serve on juries was that women were too emotional -- that always makes my head spin.




SubbieOnWheels -> RE: seperate munches? (2/29/2008 8:01:44 AM)

Perhaps another reason the age limit is 21 is that at some activities, probably not restaurant-type munches, but play parties, etc., drinking is acceptable. And in many states, 21 is the legal drinking age. (Some states lowered it and then raised it again when drunk-driving incidents increased - don't know if they decreased afterwards.) Even if the under-21 attendees did not drink, the public perception, should the activity come to public notice, is that these "underage" people were "exposed" to liquor.




thetammyjo -> RE: seperate munches? (2/29/2008 9:32:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SubbieOnWheels

Perhaps another reason the age limit is 21 is that at some activities, probably not restaurant-type munches, but play parties, etc., drinking is acceptable. And in many states, 21 is the legal drinking age. (Some states lowered it and then raised it again when drunk-driving incidents increased - don't know if they decreased afterwards.) Even if the under-21 attendees did not drink, the public perception, should the activity come to public notice, is that these "underage" people were "exposed" to liquor.


That is a justification that is used; I've heard it often.

Personally I won't go to a munch in a bar or a playparty where alcohol is served so that justification isn't a factor for events I'd attend myself.

Trust me folks, having dealt with college/university groups for many years, I have heard all the justifications. Sharing them with me isn't going to change my mind about them but then I'm not trying to change yours just sharing my personal opinion and the reasons why I don't support some munches, some clubs and some groups.




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