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Christianity & BDSM - 2/29/2008 5:53:26 PM

ToHonorObey

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Having a certain spirit inspire me to read each and every word of the King James Bible at least thirty times over the course of the past twenty-five years, in addition to my first complete reading of the apocropha and experiencing certain etymological revelations this past year, concerning specific words appearing most prevelantly in the Bible, has led me to an interpretation which is very radical in relation to anything remotely connected to "christianity," "christians" and "christian" "churches," and that does include all of them! My belief that the entire concept of the Bible is the very foundation of the correlation between dominance and submission is what has compelled this post.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 2/29/2008 6:15:27 PM

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I suppose if you want the one true D/s way, you might as well go to Almighty God to find it. The original unimpeachable source.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 2/29/2008 6:25:05 PM

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hmm...you have no profile, but still...is there a Question implied?

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 2/29/2008 6:33:09 PM

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My child, there is no need to ask questions when one has all the Answers.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 2/29/2008 6:39:53 PM

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My child, there is no need to ask questions when one has all the Answers.

umm...and also with You???

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 2/29/2008 6:49:22 PM

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Okay, fair enough. I'll stop sarcasming around. Plenty of fundamentalists believe the Bible gives the husband the God-given right to beat the wife. Total. Fucking. Horseshit. Anyone who puts that forth should reread Deuteronomy and ask how many of those rules a 21st century Christian is supposed to put into practice. It's a sin to sow wheat and barley in the same furrow. That's not the dorkiest example.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you sure sounds like "consensual" to me.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 2/29/2008 7:06:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ToHonorObey

My belief that the entire concept of the Bible is the very foundation of the correlation between dominance and submission is what has compelled this post.

Well I'll give you this much, as an instrument of domination nothing can compare with the concept of a "special book" containing the Word of God.

K.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 2/29/2008 9:30:13 PM

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I have also read my Bible extensively, following a program where I read it cover to cover each year. I consider myself very spiritual though I do not attend church often. It pains me to hear religious "teachers" misapply what they read.

There is no doubt a theme of submission. Along with this is honor - on the part of both parties. A man is to love his wife as his own body, for instance, and honor and respect a good wife.

There are many things that apply well to a BDSM lifestyle - especially the themes of dominance and submission, mutual honor, and treating the other as well as ourselves. This is why it is easiest for me to take a submissive role when I am with my special One. He allows me input because I am intelligent, creative, and He cares about my feelings. In turn, because of His good actions, I would be willing to anything for Him. I am happy to turn over my heart, mind, and body. However, if I knew that He felt no respect for who I am and what I feel I would simply walk out on the relationship. There is no roadmap here for every woman to be submissive to every man, nor should she be. However, there is guidance for good working relationships. (It can apply as well to Domme/male sub relationships.)

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/1/2008 9:24:22 AM

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There is a huge difference between those who beleve in God and use the Bible as a roadmap and those who beleave in Religion as a institution.
The Bible is often used as a guide, We need to remember that altho it is inspired and those who wrote much of it were guided to write it, It has been the target of change by those who wish to control the masses.
It is still a great guideline for life and yes for some it has lead them to the path of submission.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/1/2008 1:25:32 PM

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long before there was a Bible, there were creatures, plants, flowers, birds etc--every "species" has its dominant and its submissives.

Before christianity people worshipped gods and goddesses, each took turns in specific areas being dominant and submissive.The Bible IMHO simply continues the premise that as long as there is a species, there will be a dominant and a submissive, I hardly believe it ( the Bible) to be the foundation of D and s.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/1/2008 2:07:54 PM

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Before Christianity? That would only be about 2000 years ago. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" John 1:1. Even the Greatest Almighty God refers to the existence of other gods lesser than Him, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Exodus 20:2, which would not be possible if there were no other gods. As kinkypuppy2 states, the bible has been a target of change. Changing anything from it's purest form is the equivalent of corruption, which every bible ever translated has suffered as many of the scriptures which bibles have been translated from suffered the same consequences of corruption, as well as the minds translating them. Without there being a one true all powerful mighty spirit, "God" as it is most commonly referred to, then the entire theory of D/s could not exist, for gods taking turns being masters undermines the entire concept of dominance and all gods would be switches. It was my error to refer to the bible as the foundation instead of the spirit that inspired it.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/1/2008 2:37:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ToHonorObey

Without there being a one true all powerful mighty spirit, "God" as it is most commonly referred to, then the entire theory of D/s could not exist, for gods taking turns being masters undermines the entire concept of dominance and all gods would be switches. It was my error to refer to the bible as the foundation instead of the spirit that inspired it.

There is no "theory of D/s". No one true way, or dogma that fits everyone. I can tell you that any D/s that I do has absolutely zero to do with Christianity or the bible.

Besides, aren't you being rather dismissive of switches? Just because a person switches doesn't mean that there isn't dominance in their life.

It all sounds like an attempt to make two subjects that don't have anything to do with each other fit together.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/1/2008 2:51:08 PM

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Anyone can pick a verse to support a claim. This is nothing new. From the snake handlers to Jerry Falwell. You can make the bible say whatever you want it too. The same thing is being done with the Koran right now. That seems to be working out well huh?
At least this is a new twist in one twue wayism

Jeff

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/1/2008 3:00:35 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Anyone can pick a verse to support a claim. This is nothing new. From the snake handlers to Jerry Falwell. You can make the bible say whatever you want it too. The same thing is being done with the Koran right now. That seems to be working out well huh?
At least this is a new twist in one twue wayism

Jeff

Oh hell no it is not!

The bible has been being used for YEARS (since the Synod of Hippo and even back to the first council of Constantine) to prove that women are less than men and owe men something. ~ Essentially what this yaywho is refering to as the biblical rule of bdsm.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/1/2008 3:02:49 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Anyone can pick a verse to support a claim. This is nothing new. From the snake handlers to Jerry Falwell. You can make the bible say whatever you want it too. The same thing is being done with the Koran right now. That seems to be working out well huh?
At least this is a new twist in one twue wayism

Jeff

Oh hell no it is not!

The bible has been being used for YEARS (since the Synod of Hippo and even back to the first council of Constantine) to prove that women are less than men and owe men something. ~ Essentially what this yaywho is refering to as the biblical rule of bdsm.

Well when you put it THAT way. it all makes sense to me now.....:)

I meant new HERE......lol

Jeff

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/1/2008 3:04:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: ToHonorObey
Having a certain spirit inspire me to read each and every word of the King James Bible at least thirty times over the course of the past twenty-five years.

Please don't tell me how it ends I'm getting the movie version out on DVD next week.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/1/2008 3:06:37 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Anyone can pick a verse to support a claim. This is nothing new. From the snake handlers to Jerry Falwell. You can make the bible say whatever you want it too. The same thing is being done with the Koran right now. That seems to be working out well huh?
At least this is a new twist in one twue wayism

Jeff

Oh hell no it is not!

The bible has been being used for YEARS (since the Synod of Hippo and even back to the first council of Constantine) to prove that women are less than men and owe men something. ~ Essentially what this yaywho is refering to as the biblical rule of bdsm.

Well when you put it THAT way. it all makes sense to me now.....:)

I meant new HERE......lol

Jeff

Actually I have seen it before here. There is also several of vanilla books that set up a D/s dynamic within a marriage. Oh, and then there is the whole "Promis Keepers" movement. *shudder*

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/1/2008 3:10:33 PM

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Everybody has a "theory" of what dominance is and how it pertains to them. "Dominance: rule; control; authority; ascendancy; the condition of being dominant." is in fact, the definition of dominance and not a theory. "Theory: a coherent group of propostions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena." Becoming unfocused on the definition of dominance, collectively, interpretations of dominance become theory. Some see D/s as a recreation form, others wish to achieve the highest level of dominance possible. Asking for or having permission to commit an act undermines the definition of dominance. It is certain that there are many "subs" that would not ever consider a "switch" to "dom" them for even one second.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/1/2008 3:20:47 PM

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the·o·ry

/ˈθi

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ri, ˈθɪər

i/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[thee-uh-ree, theer-ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ries. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

Or that.
Do you see how pointless this sort of thing becomes? You say theory, I say silly

Jeff

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/1/2008 3:21:51 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ToHonorObey

Everybody has a "theory" of what dominance is and how it pertains to them. "Dominance: rule; control; authority; ascendancy; the condition of being dominant." is in fact, the definition of dominance and not a theory. "Theory: a coherent group of propostions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena." Becoming unfocused on the definition of dominance, collectively, interpretations of dominance become theory. Some see D/s as a recreation form, others wish to achieve the highest level of dominance possible. Asking for or having permission to commit an act undermines the definition of dominance. It is certain that there are many "subs" that would not ever consider a "switch" to "dom" them for even one second.

OP. . .

I highly reccomend that you stop using your bible to spank people with and just set it down.

Next, you might want to take classes in the following, for no other reason that to give you a brief overview of Western Intellectual Tradition: Philosophy 101, Psychology 101, Religion 101 or Christianity 101, Literature 101, and Language 101. I would add a Woman's Studies class to the list, but frankly you do not have enough educational background yet to take one. (They start at the 200 and 300 level.)

Now, while you are taking these classes, go to some lectures or other activities with people OUTSIDE of your bible study classes.

Surrounding yourself with ONLY like minded people and the consistantly same people with only a narrow focus of study is what is known as BAD SCHOLARSHIP.

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