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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/29/2008 8:33:47 AM

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Did I finally get the last word?

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 3/29/2008 2:30:11 PM

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i highly doubt u have.. there brain storming for a new and annoying argument.. joy.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/1/2008 1:05:18 PM

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As long the participants are not breaking the rules of which they espouse, ie- adultery, lieing, cheating, coveting what is not theirs, basically they can't participate as christian hypocits.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/1/2008 4:20:56 PM

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Hey, I was not calling you a bigot, Aylee, I see nothing at all in your posts that would even begin to suggest that!

I was referring to the OP, and his later posts, where he clearly has such fixed opinions that logic cannot shake them!

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Bigotry gets you ignored; which is why the bigots so often need guns and explosives to 'prove' the strength of their arguments!

Wow! Now I am a bigot. That is almost as good as being called a Nazi.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/1/2008 10:26:13 PM

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Before there was a bible, there was Aurelious Constantine, and before him a whole bunch of happy little pagans each worshipping their own lovely diety and having a good old time.

I'm big on pagans these days.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/1/2008 10:43:41 PM

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The concept of D/s could be considered a manifestation of religious belief or perhaps a belief in dieties is a manifestation of human nature. Perhaps the genisis of D/s found it's roots in a need for some mortal to take charge in order for the group to survive. Perhaps D/s created the need for a diety.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/2/2008 7:18:03 AM

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Does this mean that I need to stop doing the happy dance?

I agree with Ann Coulter when she points out that a conservative being called a "Nazi" (or bigot) means that their arguements are spot on and the other side of the discussion has run out of things to say/think.

No worries, the fast reply feature can throw off just who is being responded to.

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Hey, I was not calling you a bigot, Aylee, I see nothing at all in your posts that would even begin to suggest that!

I was referring to the OP, and his later posts, where he clearly has such fixed opinions that logic cannot shake them!

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Bigotry gets you ignored; which is why the bigots so often need guns and explosives to 'prove' the strength of their arguments!

Wow! Now I am a bigot. That is almost as good as being called a Nazi.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/2/2008 7:25:00 AM

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Amen to Ann!

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/2/2008 8:05:01 PM

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i agree with MasterWilliam55... theres always been some sort of religion.. even if it was jsut praying/worshiping that rock over there.. i think im gonna start praying to a rock.. pegans had some good ideas.. and actually.. most of the religios holidays and stuff go with the pegan year.. so.. im good.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/26/2008 9:57:34 AM

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i could really use some help, please, on this subject but a rather different strain of it. i am a Christian with a strong faith. my Master knows that i have one Master above Him, that being God. i am slave so have no limits with my earthly Master. i trust Him to do what is best for me and i want to obey Him and please Him at all times. my problem is that He talks about displaying me in front of others, watching me with another woman, and possibly giving me to another man while He watches. i believe my Master and i have been brought together by God and nothing between the two of U/us is displeasing to God, but when W/we start involving others at what point does it become a similar circumstance to Sodom and Gomorah and displeasing to God? i am very torn by this as i have a true slave heart, and it would be broken if i disappointed my earthly Master. i have tried a few times to discuss this with my Master but He changes the subject. i suspect He does not know how to answer this one. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/26/2008 11:54:01 AM

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i could really use some help, please, on this subject but a rather different strain of it. i am a Christian with a strong faith. my Master knows that i have one Master above Him, that being God. i am slave so have no limits with my earthly Master. i trust Him to do what is best for me and i want to obey Him and please Him at all times. my problem is that He talks about displaying me in front of others, watching me with another woman, and possibly giving me to another man while He watches. i believe my Master and i have been brought together by God and nothing between the two of U/us is displeasing to God, but when W/we start involving others at what point does it become a similar circumstance to Sodom and Gomorah and displeasing to God? i am very torn by this as i have a true slave heart, and it would be broken if i disappointed my earthly Master. i have tried a few times to discuss this with my Master but He changes the subject. i suspect He does not know how to answer this one. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

I can't see any reason to adopt the hypothesis that any god exists, except as a personal or group delusion.

But I cannot imagine that any of the sanctiimonious god-botherers would be speaking for him or her, if (s)he did.

So just ask your own personal god whether it is right or wrong, nobody else's can give you any answer with meaning.

I understand Sodom and Gomoorah were annihalated through a geological mishap; being built on a layer of crystalline salt that dissolved when exposed to sea-water. Nothing at all to do with any sin or vice, which are invented concepts dreamed up by the god-bothers to impose their will on others!

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/26/2008 4:56:30 PM

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My belief that the entire concept of the Bible is the very foundation of the correlation between dominance and submission is what has compelled this post.

Interesting concept, although in order for this to be correct then the biblical story of Creation would have to be true. In my opinion most of the first few books of the Bible are an oral history of man in the form of stories passed from generation to generation that were finally written down which is not entirely correct and should not be taken literally.
In the beginning there was the word - the formost thing which our species learned to do which enabled us to become the dominant species on the planet was use language - the word.
Pack instinct is the foundation of domination and submission. It has been integral to our species since long before the Bible was written.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/26/2008 8:00:27 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: devotedember

i could really use some help, please, on this subject but a rather different strain of it. i am a Christian with a strong faith. my Master knows that i have one Master above Him, that being God. i am slave so have no limits with my earthly Master. i trust Him to do what is best for me and i want to obey Him and please Him at all times. my problem is that He talks about displaying me in front of others, watching me with another woman, and possibly giving me to another man while He watches. i believe my Master and i have been brought together by God and nothing between the two of U/us is displeasing to God, but when W/we start involving others at what point does it become a similar circumstance to Sodom and Gomorah and displeasing to God? i am very torn by this as i have a true slave heart, and it would be broken if i disappointed my earthly Master. i have tried a few times to discuss this with my Master but He changes the subject. i suspect He does not know how to answer this one. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

as i understand it from my.. religious stand point.. sodom and gamorah were destroyed becuz of the lies and muirders and such.. not the sexuality.. if god dint want us to have sex or to play with others.. he wouldnt have created it or put it in our minds that it was possible.

now im not a very religious person but i do go to church. god is all powerful correct? if so.. wouldnt he get rid of the things he didnt like? yes i understand that bad things (hurricains, deaths and stuff of that sort) happen.. but theres a big difference from a hurricain that kills hundres od thousnads and having some fun with a woman or another man or whatever.

but i do agree with sirguym on one point.. if u pray to ur god, who or whatever he/she/it maybe, and u get some sort of message or sign saying " no no bad girl" then dont do it.. and tell ur earth master as much.. but if u get no sign or a sign that its all ok.. go for it.. what do u have to lose? just my opinion.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/30/2008 5:54:02 AM

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A favourite quote of mine...'The crucifixion is the ultimate manifestation of divine sadomasochism'. Not only in the bible, but throughout the history of christianity, BDSM in all its forms has been implied (both implicitly and explicitly) and utilised by the church, particularly the Roman Catholic Church. The symbology, the penances, the rituals - all have embodied some element of D/s and sadomasochism. In monasteries, nuns and monks were trained to obey their superiors without question, no matter how illogical the superior's request. As penance, various orders have required their Religious members to flog themselves, wear course hair-shirts under their habits, publicly humiliate themselves in various ways (for example, begging food from the other Religious, kissing the shoes of their superiors), adopt various submissive positions for varying lengths of time as punishment (kneeling, prostration etc). I could go on for hours, but you get my point. I totally agree with your original post - 'My belief that the entire concept of the Bible is the very foundation of the correlation between dominance and submission is what has compelled this post. '

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/30/2008 7:06:39 AM

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A favourite quote of mine...'The crucifixion is the ultimate manifestation of divine sadomasochism'. Not only in the bible, but throughout the history of christianity, BDSM in all its forms has been implied (both implicitly and explicitly) and utilised by the church, particularly the Roman Catholic Church. The symbology, the penances, the rituals - all have embodied some element of D/s and sadomasochism. In monasteries, nuns and monks were trained to obey their superiors without question, no matter how illogical the superior's request. As penance, various orders have required their Religious members to flog themselves, wear course hair-shirts under their habits, publicly humiliate themselves in various ways (for example, begging food from the other Religious, kissing the shoes of their superiors), adopt various submissive positions for varying lengths of time as punishment (kneeling, prostration etc). I could go on for hours, but you get my point. I totally agree with your original post - 'My belief that the entire concept of the Bible is the very foundation of the correlation between dominance and submission is what has compelled this post. '

Jess

Absolutely; but I would go further and say that this is because the whole society, before, during, and perhaps after has BDSM intertwined in its DNA.

That is why the bigots hate us so much.

It is not because we're doing different stuff from them; (though we do it safely, sanely and with consent and not with minors - where they do it unsafely, insanely, without consent, but with minors), but because we're doing it for fun, with full knowledge and understanding of the context and content of the play and explain it to others.

That undermines their authority structure and makes the hypocrisy of their leadership so obvious!

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/30/2008 10:58:23 AM

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ToHonorObey has an interesting insight into Scripture ......
Great Post

The greatest master was also the greatest servant ... is that switch enough?

To take the totality of Scripture in context, is to understand the oxymorons within it.
To take Scripture and dice it up to met specific agenda is to cease to understand the totality of it.

To the OP... many of those who hold fast the word of truth, rightly dividing it, would never come up with a dominance/submission rendering, but they might like to render a theology called "stronger and weaker vessel." IMHO, just other words for dominance and submission.

I find it rather disturbing tho, that while Scripture does not classify women in general as the second class, women in general like to point out the husbands duty from Ephesians (collaborated by countless other supporting text), while negating the texts that they belong to their husbands and are therefore prompted to fulfill their husbands sexual appetites in safe sane consenting manners.
"Consenting" is the operative word. "eeeek" is the response when a husband would like a simple blow job or try something other than the good old missionary position.

The Rev's Gorman, Swaggart, Baker's of this world, as well as "no name" men lost in the crowd, find solace in recreational sex to fulfill the desires of their flesh because the wife doesn't obey the husbands.
Somewhere, somehow "Submit to one another" is lost, buried, trodden over.

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RE: Christianity & BDSM - 4/30/2008 3:05:24 PM

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I'm on my first systematic readthrough of the KJV. I'm up to 2 Kings.

Good stuff. I will keep my eye open for any scriptural justifications for dominance.

And spanking.

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