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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

FR:  I'm such an ignorant non-believer.  I didn't know Jesus disavowed paragraphing.

E.

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ORIGINAL: ToHonorObey

The original post of this thread was my first in any forum of any form

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ORIGINAL: ToHonorObey

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   I know from my experience sometimes no matter how hard you try to show your love and or your  sincere interest in that particular  person, if their demons/insecurities  that haunt them are not being addressed ,then  sadly your efforts are never going to matter.

how does a person with an extreme anger management problem and a history of commiting illegal violent acts of assault and battery upon those she "loves" while using lies to cover up her misdeeds get off on suggesting that her failure to sustain a meaningful relationship is the result of the other persons faults while blatantly denying the existence of her own demons by means of her own immense hypocrisy?

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ORIGINAL: ToHonorObey

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ORIGINAL: candisa



I tend to agree with you on the needs are not being met. I know from my experience sometimes no matter how hard you try to show your love and or your  sincere interest in that particular  person, if their demons/insecurities  that haunt them are not being addressed ,then  sadly your efforts are never going to matter.

  obviously, if a person can completely lose her temper and begin battering another person's face, obviously this person is suffering with a serious insecurity with being able to resolve an issue in a civilized, loving manner

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ORIGINAL: ToHonorObey

  My belief that the entire concept of the Bible is the very foundation of the correlation between dominance and submission is what has compelled this post.

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People outside my bible study would pretty much include the entire human race because it seems most everybody my ears hear preaching the bible obviously are not reading the entire volume. If anybody can find anything in any of my posts that is even remotely promoting abuse towards women then they are comprehending something my eyes are not.

Here are a dozen passages for you, that show dominance and submission in the bible and the abuse of women:

1. In the Bible's book of Deuteronomy it says that if a man marries a woman and then decides that he hates her, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they married. At that point her father must prove she was a virgin. (How is not explained.)  If he can't, then the woman is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep. (22:13-21)

 

2. If you see a pretty woman among your captives and would like her for a wife, then bring her home and "go in unto her." Later, if you decide you don't like her, you can simply "let her go." (Deuteronomy 21:11-14) 

 

3. If a betrothed virgin is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, then "the men of the city shall stone her to death." (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)

4. In the book of Esther the king apparently decrees a sex contest among young virgin women to see who can best please him. (There is debate on how.)  He eventually chooses Esther. However, since women are viewed as inherently dirty, Esther must be "purified" for twelve months before she can be made queen. (Esther 2:8-9, 12-17)

 

5.  Paul points out in New Testament Romans that "the natural use" of women is to provide men with sex. (Romans 1:27)

 

6. Heaven is to be inhabited by 144,000 virgin men who have not been "defiled" by women. (RE 14:1-4) [One wonders how this squares with God's command  to, "Be fruitful and multiply...(Genesis 1:28)?]

 

7. A group of sexual depraved men beat on the door of an old man's house demanding that he turn over to them a male house guest. Instead, the old man offers his virgin daughter and his guest's wife: "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine (wife); let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do with them what seems good to you; but against this man do not do so vile a thing." The women were subsequently ravished and killed. (JG 19:22-29)

 

8.  In Exod. 21:7 we see that it is permissible to sell one's daughter (but apparently not one's son) into slavery.

 

9. According to St. Jerome, "Nothing is so unclean as a woman in her periods; what she touches she causes to be unclean."  In Leviticus (12:2:5) it states, "If a woman conceives and bears a male child, she shall be ceremonially unclean seven days...if she bears a female child she shall be unclean two weeks...." 

 

10. "A woman dropped a stone on his head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me, so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his servant ran him through, and he died." (Judges 9:53-54)

 

11. Under God's direction, Moses' army kills all the adult males, but they mercifully just take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some women and children alive, he angrily says: "Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him." (31:1-54) Throughout Bible history God is said to demand that thousands, if not millions, of men, women and children be slaughtered.  And they are.

 

12.  And where do these sayings go? - A man has an obligation to produce a child with his brother's widow. If he refuses, his sister-in-law is to spit in his face in front of the elders. (Deuteronomy 25:5-9) And in case you are Jewish, you may be familiar with the Jewish prayer: "Blessed be the God who has not created me a heathen, a slave or a woman."

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ORIGINAL: AtlantisKing111

We Christians don't follow the Old Testament ways so quoting them is rather moot in dealing with the challenge of finding abuse of women sanctioned from a Christian perspective.

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ORIGINAL: HalfShyHalfWild

ToHonorObey,

I believe it's in good form to post the link from the site in which you quoted in your rather lengthy reply on the timeline of the Bible. Especially since you lifted it word for word. I'll assume you meant to do so?

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i believe there is something more then jsut us

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We Christians don't follow the Old Testament ways so quoting them is rather moot in dealing with the challenge of finding abuse of women sanctioned from a Christian perspective.

Wait, so the old testament is not the inspired word of god any more?

That aside, there are actually a lot of christians who like quoting the old testament, especially with regard to homosexuality.

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ORIGINAL: AtlantisKing111

We Christians don't follow the Old Testament ways so quoting them is rather moot in dealing with the challenge of finding abuse of women sanctioned from a Christian perspective.

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it is obvious that you are going to continue to give excuses as to "Why" chrisitanity is not negative towards women. 

Furthermore, aren't you all told to live as Jesus did?  BTW, he was a Jew.

There are 20+ places in the teachings of Jesus where the Judaeism of the people is countered with, "but I say," something different. And in the Christian tradition, the relationship of a husband and wife is seen as recapitulating the relationship of Christ and the Church. Making a case that Christ demeans or abuses the Church will take more than quotes from the OT and pot-shots at straw men.

K.