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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 7:01:46 PM   
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I thought escorts had spreadsheets with the items listed and costs of such items. Ask for a price list, that way you'll know what the going rate is and if the item is not listed you may have to negotiate. Do escorts have hard limits? I rate this thread: fun!


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I would suggest that she would say that she likes howling at the moon and eating grass if it got her paid, you cant assume that there are personal emotional feelings attached with something like this because it is work. You have to just be responsible and not put her in any stupid danger but you cant expect her to enjoy it.


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i know a few sex workers, and for them the bottom line is always money. And that's in NY and Florida. i can only assume the E.European types are even more focused on it. There's no harm in having fun with her, and gettig your money's worth, right. Hell, i know a couple girls in Orlando that would LOVELOVELOVE to be paid in British Pounds for that sorta thing...just saying


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As many others here have opined, she is what you pay her to be, and as long as you're enjoying yourself there is certainly nothing wrong with that.


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If You expect more...stop paying her...see if she thinks it's cute.  Maybe You luck out, stranger things have happened.  Wouldn't it be great to read THAT success story on the boards?  But protect Yourself.  She is providing a paid service at the time.


It seems to me that the only person on this thread so far that knows what they are talking about, is the OP!

Everything i just quoted above and some stuff i didn't is very close to complete crap. Hard for me to believe you all want to chime in when you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

First, any smart American escort does NOT have a menu. I menu is against the law...as soon as you say what you will or will not do that is prostitution and not escorting. If a girl has a menu i would stay away. Girls from other countries might have menus depending on their laws, and certainly there are lots of stupid American escorts that have a menu.

Second, while some escorts will certainly say or do whatever it takes to get your money, most will not, or will quit doing that once they get burned good. When they do that, guys write reviews and next thing they know the only guys calling are the ones wanting the stuff they hate, but pretended to like. Most girls do have very specific rules and some girls are even self-aware enough to have very specific likes and dislikes, but more than likely you will have to see her to find out what they are.

Most escorts are NOT money hungry, they are lazy. They have what i call, "stripper mentality". They become escorts because they think it is a job that they can do when they want and not do when they don't want and that it does not require any particular skill set. For this reason they are never successful...and what do ALL NON-successful people have in common? A money issue. They come off as money hungry because they are desperate to get their bills paid. Once they do that, they go back to being totally lazy and you can't even get them on the phone...clearly this is not money hungry. Money hungry is Donald Trump.

(No offense to any specific stripper or escort...i am generalizing. There are always exceptions.)

Escorts are NOT there to be what you pay them to be. The idea is to SELECT an escort that already IS what you want. You are paying her for her time. There is no way an escort would be able to be available for you to fuck her if she was not getting paid...everyone has to pay the bills somehow. She would have to be doing something else. Good escorts see their clients as boyfriends that pay them so that they can be available for fun at all times, and not need to be working 40 or more hours a week.

Which leads us to the absolutely terrible idea of trying to stop paying her and see what happens...i can tell you what will happen...she will have to go make money some where else. It does not matter if she likes you or not. Unless you are offering to keep her in the lifestyle she is accustomed to, then this will not work...even if she is in love with you.

Would you ask anyone else to quit their job so that you can enjoy them? Not without taking over their cost of living you wouldn't.

OK...now to the actual question. As far as what activities she likes...ask her by doing it. Do it, then ask...she does know yes and no, right? Ask her questions that she can easily answer yes or no...you have to be pretty specific and clever to do this...women in particular are not as black and white as men might like us to be.

Also, teach her the 1 to 10 scale by example...do something to yourself or have her do it, that you do NOT like...something simple, like being pinched or having your foot stepped on...show her that is a 1. Then do something or have her do something that you REALLY like...show her that is a 10. I am sure she will catch on. If her English is really poor, you can try using an online translator by having her write in her own language and then translating it to English...sometimes this works...sometimes it is hilariously wrong, but either way, it is fun.

In regards to her being a sub/slave...i have to agree with what some of the others have said. That is a harder thing to determine and it seems to be very individual as to how either term is defined.

To me, a sub is a person who's personal happiness/nirvana is reached when they know that they serve and please, and some need to also know that it is appreciated, but not all...some are intrinsic and get happy just by serving, whether it is appreciated or not. A slave is a sub that has made the choice to be owned, which, in theory, is her/his last choice other than those given to him/her by his/her Owner.

How can you determine this? You seem pretty smart to me, i bet you will figure it out!




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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 7:09:34 PM   
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Treat her like the ho' that she is.

See if you can tell how many guys she has fucked in the last twenty four hours by doing a dna test and look for all of the different markers....It could be fun.

Spit on her.

Make her lick the shit off of your dick. For an extra ten bucks you can probably fuck her with some household items...A broom, remote or steel wool. Use your imagination. Have fun.

If she dies just throw her corpse in a river....Ho's die all of the time. It takes cops years to catch their killers because no one really cares. They are actually more of a nuisance when they are living.


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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 7:13:38 PM   
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Domiguy, you scare me. Really. And i am not easily scared. Good to know there are people out there with such total disregard for personal choice and human life - and willing to say so in a public forum. Should we check the river nearest your house?

I think you might have just earned yourself the elite spot of being the second person i decide i don't need to read the opinions of.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 7:17:01 PM   
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Domiguy, you scare me. Really. And i am not easily scared. Good to know there are people out there with such total disregard for personal choice and human life - and willing to say so in a public forum. Should we check the river nearest your house?

I think you might have just earned yourself the elite spot of being the second person i decide i don't need to read the opinions of.


Thank you.


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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 7:26:39 PM   
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HouseDV8, you are overreacting due to lack of experience.  (Betcha don't like that comment, but oh well, doesn't make it false........)

Some people see a contradiction and try to ameliorate it.  Others see a contradiction and demonstrate its existence by blowing it up with a hydrogen bomb.

Even if the two of them like each other, the money will always be an issue.  Period.  I usually explain it straight.  Others, including the soon-to-be-blocked-by-you Domiguy, explain it bent.  It doesn't mean he's wrong.  He's almost always right.


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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 7:56:51 PM   
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LOL, well then it is a good thing i ran off to put in a load of laundry and didn't block him at all...seems we have something in common. So am i - almost always right that is. It is not magic. The key is to only say something when you know what you are talking about. Try it.

About DG being right or wrong with this comment...i really am not about judging right from wrong. It is his opinion, he can have it. I can agree, disagree, etc. Like him, i was going for the extreme...what he said was crass, and he knows it, and he did it on purpose, and i know that. So what i said was no different than what he said at all. i gave it right back to him...the fact that all he said was Thank you is a very good sign in my book.

I am of the opinion that the less than desirable ones in our society, including the ones DG might refer to as HO's (which is not at all what we were talking about...we were talking about an escort.) are there as a result of a bigger problem, a cultural problem. While it is reasonable to punish a person for a specific crime, i do not think it is reasonable to say that a whole group of people are not worthy of life when they certainly did not get to where they are all by themselves. That dismissive attitude is part of the problem. Again, i know he was being crass. But this is where my head went when i read what he said.

In regards to what i do or do not know...well, you have not taken the time to find that out, now have you. Read my post - the one ABOVE DG. Read my other posts too, if you wish, or my profile, or my journal entries...oh, and there is a link to my blog on the profile page for this board...or don't read any of it...it does not matter. I would prefer you observe, rather than assume, but i cannot make you do that. So, do whatever you like, and i will too and we can all get along just fine.

I completely disagree with the premise that the money will always be an issue...i don't think it ever was an issue, and i bet the OP would agree. i am pretty sure that of the two of us...you are the one lacking experience. But that is OK...so is everyone else that has posted so far...other than the OP.

My well founded and well thought out opinion is that the money eliminates the issues. The money allows the two people to absolutely indulge in a pleasurable relationship without any of the red tape, drama, issues, or heartache that comes with other encounters. It has nothing to do with how they feel or do not feel about each other. Money cannot keep someone from really liking another person, nor can it cause someone to feel something they would not have otherwise. Not FEEL, possibly FAKE, but not feel. They can absolutely fall in love, or be friends, or just be fuck-buddies, or lovers. The money cannot determine or change the relationship...only the people can. The money only simplifies it so that there is a very clear understanding of boundries. They can fall in love, but they cannot expect or assume anything.

At least this way, people can find out what others have to say. Maybe they will learn something. I just did. I learned that while DG did not defend himself, presumably because he is confident in his own skin, and in his crass remark, but you did. Can you guess what i concluded?

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 8:12:15 PM   
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I didn't defend anyone.  I was trying to help you, because I have observed from your posts that your ability to write is more advanced than your ability to listen.  My objective was to help you see that not everyone communicates in a linear fashion, and it is important to develop ears to hear the words behind what people physically say. 

You have misinterpreted several posters in the last few days.  Your intuition may be stronger when you have body language as an additional tool.  Obviously, I don't know.  However, I think you will be well served in this medium if you respond to what people mean, not just what they say.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 8:13:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HouseDV8

Domiguy, you scare me. Really. And i am not easily scared. Good to know there are people out there with such total disregard for personal choice and human life - and willing to say so in a public forum. Should we check the river nearest your house?

I think you might have just earned yourself the elite spot of being the second person i decide i don't need to read the opinions of.


Thank you.



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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 8:19:26 PM   
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Red is right, as much as I frikken HATE to admit it...
(I'm only saying this once Domi, so take a picture)
Domi is almost always right.

(I'm gonna go throw up now...the truth hurts sometimes)

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 8:22:00 PM   
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Domiguy, you scare me. Really. And i am not easily scared. Good to know there are people out there with such total disregard for personal choice and human life - and willing to say so in a public forum. Should we check the river nearest your house?

I think you might have just earned yourself the elite spot of being the second person i decide i don't need to read the opinions of.


Or you might want to consider that DG is the 'sock puppet' so to speak of a poster who thinks that offensive sterotypes are funny, and that he is being clever by pretending to be black while portraying black people, hispanics, women, and just about anyone else in a negative light. 
His front is that he is merely holding a mirror up to people who think that way for real, but he is just a little too quick to let fly with the perjorative baiting when his partisan rants are disagreed with.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 8:40:14 PM   
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hmmmm....OK...i see what you are saying...and i don't think i misunderstood. i also do not think i "misinterpreted" a thing. i just interpreted it my own way...as you do your way. There is no way to actually read a post the way it was written. We all read posts the way we read them, though our own filter of experiences...not the posters. We respond the way respond. You have that right, as do I. In regards to helping me...thank you. The desire to want to help someone is noble and appreciated. It was, however, not solicited and i don't think that either DG or I have any issue with anything. Including you...so now can we move on? I would apologize for offending, but that would take the rest of my life...some people are way to easy to offend...even me, at times, apparently. i was offended by his post, but i was not fooled by it. I did not really think he was going to kill anyone, just like he does not really think human life is disposable (or so i hope)...you can understand it however you want, i will not say you are misunderstanding. i will say again what i already said. Observation is superior to assumption. I am observing as well. Part of what you might be interpreting as me misunderstanding someone is probably more the fact that i just don't really get online communication at all...these forums make some sense to me...the idea that one can present something and solicit others opinions/advice...but it is something i am not proclaiming to be experienced at...as you can see i just now passed my 30th post. Maybe when i get to 650 like you or 5491 like DG i will have a better understanding of how the boards work...in the mean time i will continue to be me and to say what i feel like saying. Just like everyone else, i might also push an agenda...that could also be misinterpreted as me misunderstanding what the person said...maybe i did not misunderstand, maybe i just had my own soap box to get on for a moment. Maybe i needed to vent. Maybe i want to expose something about myself, maybe i was tired, or out of patience. There are lots of possibilities besides me misunderstanding...that is only ONE thing i might do! <grin>

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 8:42:18 PM   
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OH, and my name is danielle, just fyi...don't expect you to remember, but you won't know if i don't tell ya right? HouseDV8 works, but it makes me feel like i am HUGE lol. 

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 8:47:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: HouseDV8

Domiguy, you scare me. Really. And i am not easily scared. Good to know there are people out there with such total disregard for personal choice and human life - and willing to say so in a public forum. Should we check the river nearest your house?

I think you might have just earned yourself the elite spot of being the second person i decide i don't need to read the opinions of.


Or you might want to consider that DG is the 'sock puppet' so to speak of a poster who thinks that offensive sterotypes are funny, and that he is being clever by pretending to be black while portraying black people, hispanics, women, and just about anyone else in a negative light. 
His front is that he is merely holding a mirror up to people who think that way for real, but he is just a little too quick to let fly with the perjorative baiting when his partisan rants are disagreed with.


Sock puppet? That was the nickname that my first sub had for my cock. It's a long story, but I was going through some sort of sad insecurity bullshit...

My "pejorative" baiting better lead to some fucking disagreements or why in the Hell would I subject myself and the rest of you to such nonsense?...

Stereotypes, on the whole, are rather funny...While I have been known to portray blacks, hispanics, women and just about everyone else in a negative light...And don't even get me started on those Hipanic/Black women...Those fuckers are simply too lazy to have a kid out of wedlock. I'm not too fond of whitey either. And for God's sake, just for once, could we forget about the Jews?

Anywhoooo, it's been a good run. I'm sure moderation awaits for me just around the corner on one of these early Spring days.

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Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf’s a flower;
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So Eden sank to grief,
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Stay gold domiguy.





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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 8:52:25 PM   
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Danielle, did you have a chance to notice that the furor over escorts had died down until you stirred it up again? Could you have perchance just cmailed Sundowner privately to offer your support instead of stirring it up again? Could you tell by his followup posts that he pretty much wished he had not posted it in the first place?

Can we let this go?

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 8:55:20 PM   
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Im still not sure,is she a pro or is she maybe a mailorder bride? Not that it would make any difference but some are right that if shes pro she'll be whatever you want her to be and you'll never know the difference between slave/sub LOL

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 9:06:01 PM   
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Danielle, did you have a chance to notice that the furor over escorts had died down until you stirred it up again? Could you have perchance just cmailed Sundowner privately to offer your support instead of stirring it up again? Could you tell by his followup posts that he pretty much wished he had not posted it in the first place?

Can we let this go?

Cali



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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 9:10:58 PM   
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try this:
say "ya hochu bweet' so sovoy, no u menya nyet dollarov sevodnya"  (this is transliterated)  if you make these sounds she will understand: "i want to be with you, but i do not have any money today" if she bolts for the door, then you will have your answer.  if she does not, you will also have your answer.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 9:12:22 PM   
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lol, cali, you just did the same thing you said i did!  It did already die down and it was not sparked up again or at all, really, by me...no one even said a thing about that post! Kind of sucks actually. All they are going on about is what i said in response to DG's post...go figure.

No, i didn't notice, looks can be deceiving. When i started to write that post there was still only one page of comments...by the time i actually submitted it all the rest had filled in, including the OP saying what he said about wishing he had left that part out...but i am very glad he didn't.  This is because i am long winded, i edit a lot, and i am always multi-tasking. I did not realize so much time had passed between me reading and opening a reply and me actually posting the reply.

Also, i really don't care. i said what i wanted to say. i like that it is there. i get tired of all the totally misleading stuff people say about pro-dommes and escorts when they have absolutely zero knowledge of those topics. i live my life out loud and in color, nothing changes if no one speaks. You know how i know they have zero knowledge? Because most of those that have knowledge are not going to speak up. I am one of the few that is exhibitionistic enough, or stupid enough, or confident enough, or falsely confident enough, to put myself out there.

No one noticed that i gave some excellent suggestions to the actual query either. All they saw was that i threatened to block a popular poster...and i was really just dishing what he was dishing...he and i got it...i don't know about the rest.


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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 9:52:12 PM   
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hmmmm....OK...i see what you are saying...and i don't think i misunderstood. i also do not think i "misinterpreted" a thing. i just interpreted it my own way...as you do your way. There is no way to actually read a post the way it was written. We all read posts the way we read them, though our own filter of experiences...not the posters. We respond the way respond. You have that right, as do I. In regards to helping me...thank you. The desire to want to help someone is noble and appreciated. It was, however, not solicited and i don't think that either DG or I have any issue with anything. Including you...so now can we move on? I would apologize for offending, but that would take the rest of my life...some people are way to easy to offend...even me, at times, apparently. i was offended by his post, but i was not fooled by it. I did not really think he was going to kill anyone, just like he does not really think human life is disposable (or so i hope)...you can understand it however you want, i will not say you are misunderstanding. i will say again what i already said. Observation is superior to assumption. I am observing as well. Part of what you might be interpreting as me misunderstanding someone is probably more the fact that i just don't really get online communication at all...these forums make some sense to me...the idea that one can present something and solicit others opinions/advice...but it is something i am not proclaiming to be experienced at...as you can see i just now passed my 30th post. Maybe when i get to 650 like you or 5491 like DG i will have a better understanding of how the boards work...in the mean time i will continue to be me and to say what i feel like saying. Just like everyone else, i might also push an agenda...that could also be misinterpreted as me misunderstanding what the person said...maybe i did not misunderstand, maybe i just had my own soap box to get on for a moment. Maybe i needed to vent. Maybe i want to expose something about myself, maybe i was tired, or out of patience. There are lots of possibilities besides me misunderstanding...that is only ONE thing i might do! <grin>


I don't think you are making any sense.

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RE: Please - how do I tell? - 3/6/2008 10:08:30 PM   
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Who fucking cares about your feelings DV8? Get back to the question in hand.

Sundowner my lovely, sadly she IS an escort and, as most of us know, escorts are money orientated. I don't know how you can tell what she really wants or is offering, just because I've never been in the situation. What is your gut instinct telling you? All I can think is push the bar and see how far it goes.

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