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ORIGINAL: Smith117

The thing that really cracks me up is that in all of the back and forth posts about generalizations, you've yet to actually make your point, if you actually had one beyond generalizations vs. not generalizations that is.

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ORIGINAL: Archer


Non violent chemical warfare was the way Sea Shepards described the incident you choose the term I'll take you at your word chemical warfare.
OK time to start stocking casacian loaded paintball guns on board ship.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

For the whaler ship to take what later would try to be called a defensive action that was planned to cause injury, possibly death, by destroying an inhabited sea vessel would be very foolish indeed. That defense would not work anywhere on this planet.

The tenet of it is that USUALLY if you oppose a non-lethal force with lethal force you are in the wrong. There are exceptions but this is not one of them.

If I were the whalers I would be looking for a better alternative. OK, it happened once. At the very least they should be able to get the Japamese government to intercede. Maybe not on an international level at the Hague or UN or something, but right there in the water. Let them come and explain that they eat this, and that those who interfere with our commercial operations to get food will be dealt with harshly.

Or if I were the Captain I would figure something out. Flare guns with smoke bombs in them, something like that. Remember, if they can get close enough to throw something on your boat you can get close enough to throw something on their boat. There are so many things you can do rather than starting an international incident. And yes it could.

As usual people do not think out the consequences, "Ram the boat". That is not acceptable and the Captain would likely go to jail, especially if anyone got hurt or killed. . There would be a trial I would bet. I would bet my bottom dollar on it.

And that is why certain people are not in certain positions of authority. They do not belong there.

So now does the debate become whether we, the great omnipotent USA, should allow the Japanese to have their whale meat, or force them to find an alternative ? It is for you to decide, or is it ?

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ORIGINAL: Smith117


The point, as with my original, albeit slightly over-dramatized post, was that these eco-nuts should watch what they do. One day they may run across a captain who just doesn't care for the bullshit and yells to his engine room for ramming speed. It's far-fetched, but then I thought attacking a whaling ship with acid was a bit far-fetched, too.

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

Perhaps you missed my previous post where I noted that the Sea Shepherd group is especially skilled at ramming other vessels and takes great pride in that ability.

That factory ship would stand little chance of manuevering to ram the Sea Shepherd's primary vessel and they would be more than willing to return the favor.   These aren't dumb ass eco terrorists, these pretty damned skillful eco terrorists.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

the Americans thrive on killing humans....

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

In the meantime, the whales have neared extinction. (some, like the arctic narwal, ARE gone for good) Sure, we're trying to bring them back, but other countries don't give a shit. I wonder how those whalers will cope, after they've managed to kill them all?

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ORIGINAL: Feric

Well, to the Japanese, whaling is a cultural thing dating back hundreds of years, and cultural mainstays are like breathing to the Japanese--not to do it just seems illogical.

I've eaten whale as prepared by a Japanese sushi chef, and it's very good. Takes a bit like Kobe beef, so I can understand why they'd want to eat it.

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Well, to the Japanese, whaling is a cultural thing dating back hundreds of years, and cultural mainstays are like breathing to the Japanese--not to do it just seems illogical.

I've eaten whale as prepared by a Japanese sushi chef, and it's very good. Takes a bit like Kobe beef, so I can understand why they'd want to eat it.

That is one thing the last Easter Islander might have said.

"This tree tastes a bit like Kobe beef."

Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Feric

I didn't say I approved, I'm saying that I understand their point-of-view. There's a difference.

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

Perhaps you missed my previous post where I noted that the Sea Shepherd group is especially skilled at ramming other vessels and takes great pride in that ability.

That factory ship would stand little chance of manuevering to ram the Sea Shepherd's primary vessel and they would be more than willing to return the favor.   These aren't dumb ass eco terrorists, these pretty damned skillful eco terrorists.

Well since my hypothetical scenario was indeed hypothetical, in 'my' scenario my ship would plow through theirs like tissue paper.

Skillful or not, all ecoterrorists are "dumb ass ecoterrorists" because they're too stupid to know that what they do harms the environment just as much as what they're claiming to fight. Take the homes in Washington that were burned (this was covered in another thread too) they burn the homes (pollution) then they KNOW the builders are just going to rebuild the homes (double the amount of resources consumed) so their goal harmed the environment more than if they'd just left the homes alone to begin with.

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

Perhaps you missed my previous post where I noted that the Sea Shepherd group is especially skilled at ramming other vessels and takes great pride in that ability.

That factory ship would stand little chance of manuevering to ram the Sea Shepherd's primary vessel and they would be more than willing to return the favor.   These aren't dumb ass eco terrorists, these pretty damned skillful eco terrorists.

Well since my hypothetical scenario was indeed hypothetical, in 'my' scenario my ship would plow through theirs like tissue paper.

Skillful or not, all ecoterrorists are "dumb ass ecoterrorists" because they're too stupid to know that what they do harms the environment just as much as what they're claiming to fight. Take the homes in Washington that were burned (this was covered in another thread too) they burn the homes (pollution) then they KNOW the builders are just going to rebuild the homes (double the amount of resources consumed) so their goal harmed the environment more than if they'd just left the homes alone to begin with.

The intelligence or appropriateness of their actions is irrelevant.  I think we can agree that Al Qada is a bunch of fanatical freaks, but you can't say that they are not smart fighters or amatuers by any stretch of the imagination.

Your enemy is MOST dangerous when you fail to recognize his skill level.


The Japanesse ships would certainly rip through the Sea Shepherd ships given an opportunity to ram them.   However, the Sea Shepherds have played and won this game many times before against far more agile military ships.   They're not going to be dumb and just run right in from of the whalers.  If the whalers attempt a ram, they might provoke the Sea Shepherd vessel into a response in kind and ramming is one of their signature techniques of attack.    Don't confront your enemy's greatest strengths, attack his weakest points.