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jealousy - 3/4/2008 4:49:39 PM   
luvm


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i am wondering where jealousy fits into this M/s relationship.We also swing and sometimes possesiveness consumes me...how do i deal with it...Jealousy stems from insecurity from my research....how can swinging and bdsm mix?
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RE: jealousy - 3/4/2008 4:56:21 PM   
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God is it hard.

When you figure it out lemme know so I can suggest it to the girl.

We have had two situations one worked well the other not so well. She is just sure that I want the other person more than her and no amount of telling her otherwise works.

Sadly it seems dealing with all of this is an INSIDE JOB!!!!!

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RE: jealousy - 3/4/2008 5:05:43 PM   
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She is just sure that I want the other person more than her and no amount of telling her otherwise works.


You have to feel secure with yourself, first and foremost.  Otherwise, no amount of reassurance from another will ever sink in.


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RE: jealousy - 3/4/2008 5:08:07 PM   
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I heard the greatest line about this:  There will always be jealousy, but you can choose whether to let it consume you. 

In a vanilla relationship there is often talk up front about things that are off limits.  For instance, maybe penetration is allowed but kissing isn't.  (Kissing somehow seems the more intimate act to many.)  Depending on your relationship with your Master you may be able to talk with Him freely about the things that hurt you the most.  For instance, if you are afraid that He may see you as less attractive than the other partner, tell Him that concern.  He may then go out of His way to build you up afterwards.  It may help to have a little mantra in your head for when you get uncomfortable, such as, "I'm doing this to please Him".  I find that by repeating a comforting saying that I can get through uncomfortable situations.

Always, always, remember that YOU are something special.  You are to Him or He wouldn't have you around. 


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RE: jealousy - 3/4/2008 5:16:26 PM   
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Your needs aren't being met. If you felt loved and valued, and knew that deep down, then you wouldn't be so insecure. But because you need to be loved by him, and he's made it clear that need is never going to be met, then of course your insecurities are coming into play.

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RE: jealousy - 3/4/2008 5:25:46 PM   
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Large amounts of jealousy don't fit well in any relationship.

If I ever feel insecure in a relationship, I mentally tick off the reasons I should feel secure.  If there aren't enough reasons in my relationship to be secure, then I need to start re-thinking some of my choices.  If there are plenty of reasons why I should feel secure, I repeat them to myself.  Jealousy is more of an emotion, force yourself to think and act in light of what the reality is.


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RE: jealousy - 3/4/2008 5:56:13 PM   
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I am a deeply poly slave. I want sisterslaves badly. Jealousy is not something that I experience very often. Although I have learned, slowly, to listen to myself when I DO feel it; to try to figure out why, what is it I need and how can I get those needs met? I have to force myself to do this; my natural reaction is to kick the jealousy right out and ignore it, I simply can't believe that that infantile emotion (my feeling, my reaction, not a judgement of those talking here) is coming from ME.
My last two realtionships ended with my former Doms continueing in relationships with a sisterslave. In one of them, the sisterslave did actively set out to break apart the poly household and take Master for herself, and she succeeded. I do not find, however, that I carry this as baggage. Those were specific incidents with specific people. They don't keep me from remebering how much I love having sisterslaves in my life.
The relationships in question ended because they needed to end, for very different reasons. If I am with the right Master - and I am - then it is not an issue. I feel incredibly secure both in his love for me and in my place at his feet. But then, I was unwilling to settle for anything that would have been, for me at least, less than that.

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RE: jealousy - 3/4/2008 6:10:18 PM   
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i am wondering where jealousy fits into this M/s relationship.We also swing and sometimes possesiveness consumes me...how do i deal with it...Jealousy stems from insecurity from my research....how can swinging and bdsm mix?
The same way swinging and vanilla mix....sometimes well, sometimes not well, sometimes apocalyptically bad.

Relationship issues have everything to do with the people and nothing to do with the particular dynamics of a given relationship. 


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RE: jealousy - 3/4/2008 6:13:37 PM   
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luvm:
 
The only word I can think of to make it work is communication.  Both of you should have strict guidelines for each other's terrirotiy especially in a switch relationship.
The worst thing to me in a relationship is jealousy.  You will have to overcome that feeling on your own for your self.
 
Regards and Best wishes.
 
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RE: jealousy - 3/4/2008 6:16:49 PM   
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I like to think it is all possable with honesty and communication. I realise that in a M/s relationship I could just say "do it " and "deal with it". But yes possable jealousy issues are still a concern for me as in my slave I encourage her input and her feelings and thoughts, I chose her most specificlly as she is not a "it" like my first one was back in the late 70's. We are looking to add to the family and to add a male slave would take care of a lot of the potential issues that she may have. Issues like swinging I have toned down mostly in respect for her religious and moral feelings on ths issue. I think as long as I am transparant to her the possable jealousy issues will be minor or not exist at all. Its all based on trust.

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RE: jealousy - 3/4/2008 7:16:36 PM   
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How have you handled it so far?  If it's not causing a problem, then it's just a feeling that you have and can discard as you have been.

You sound like your relationship has some fundamental issues- the acceptance of not being loved, multiple regular partners causing extreme jealousy.  I'd really examine who you are and how you work to make sure this relationship is what will work in the long term.  You'll find out eventually no matter what, but it can be a much better experience if you become aware first and end amicably.


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RE: jealousy - 3/4/2008 7:48:50 PM   
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While I have yet to experience swinging/sharing in a relationship, it's something that my current girl and I have been mentally exploring in depth with one another.

She has had some past experience with FFM threesomes.  The downside was that she had been burned by her Ex with their mutal female swing partner.   So there is a bit of a security issue and she's been open to talk about it.   I've listened to her past experiences and shared with her my POV and thoughts on the subject.

Basically, sharing/swinging is not an activitity to jump into without trust and security between two people and their relationship.   We have expanded this conversation and talked some about poly situations.   Basically, talking about as many different angles as we can about this.   Sharing detailed fantasies and thoughts.  

We both feel comfortable with sharing kinky thoughts, ideas and fantasies.  Because these thoughts are part of who we really are.   However, we both know that thoughts are thoughts and that reality of doing these things are another thing. 

The strange thing, is that the more we talk and communicate about this topic or subject with one another, the more and more secure we are becoming at the thoughts of doing various things.

For instance a month ago, I used to hear her saying the thought of me sticking my dick in another pussy was a hard limit for her.   Now, I'm hearing how she thinks it would be hot as hell to watch me do this.   Anyways, basically the limits both her and I have had regarding this centered around with security issues.  That and STD's or the what if's with opening the doors to Drama or somebody trying to steal somebody away from one another.

Lately we have been playing a sort of verbal pimp out game with one another.  Where we pick out other people, or attempt to pick out somebody interesting in a crowd and ask.. would you do them.  Basically, nothing serious.   Just looking at different people mentally exploring it, and also discovering what qualities about other people turn us both on.  

She's Bisexual, so at times we both will comment about other girls around the club/bar.    This last weekend we both flirted with a girl at the same time.   Actually did that the weekend before too.  

One night her and I went out with her best friend (a girl) who is straight, however it was very confusing for other people around us.   I actually was approched by a guy asking if he could dance with her friend.   He did not know what girl was actually my girl friend.    Actually, we gave off a very strong poly vibe out on the dance floor and things we were doing.

In many ways, we are exploring things on safe and comfortable level.  Oh wait to make matters more confusing all three of us ended up flirting with another Girl at the same time.  We sort of had her all flustered, but she enjoyed it.  Actually she thanked us all for the confidence esteem boost. 

Now, to make matters a little more twisted.   My girl actually had a boy toy that was a combination friend and fuck buddy, she was seeing before I came into the picture.   He actually had a dream about the three of us having a threesome together, he shared this my girl and even shared this with me as well.   The bitch of it all, is that he really likes me, and he thinks that me and her are a great match together.    So opportunity for a MFM has presented itself, without the fear or risk of STD's.   However, on the other hand, there's the emotional issues at hand as well.    Basically, not something to rush into just because there is an opportunity. 

She basically had shared with him, that her and I had been talking about threesomes.   He felt comfortable enough bringing the subject up with me about his dream he had.   So I talked open and frank with him about it.   That it's not something I would do right away if at all.    I brought up the whole issue of trust and respect for a relationship and being secure.   He totally understood and related to this POV and perspective on the matter.   I basically did not say Yes or No to this being a reality.

The idea of this happening though is somewhat hot for all three of us though.

Mentally, I have been exploring this thought.   Basically, if I was to have a threesome and share her with another man, I would not this to be mistaken as an open license for allowing her to continue her past fuck buddy relationship.  Even more so considering he did not take it emotionally well, when her and I officially became committed towards one another.  I feel secure that she wants to be with me, however, I'm not so secure that this guy might not become all dramatic.   I'm thinking that this guy is not emotionally mature enough to deal with a threesome and be respective of her and mine relationship. She even wonders the same exact thoughts as I do about this as well.

The bottom line, is that open honest communication has been going on about all this, without and jealously during the communication process.    I tend to think jealously over the thought of something happening could risk shutting communication itself down.  

So, if jealously starts to block or hamper communication, this is a bad thing.   This is about all I can honestly input on the topic at the moment.

Communication is important if you even want to entertain the thoughts of doing this.   If you can't talk about it, then there's no way in Hell you are gonna be able to do it.    If it's a hard limit or does not feel right in the relationship don't do it.

I have always thought and had fantasies about swinging and sharing over the years, that part of me will never change.  I have shared some of these dark thoughts with past partners only to have Squicked them out or made them fearful.   Basically, just the thoughts I shared with them stirred a high degree of insecurity.

Just because somebody is into BDSM does not automatically mean they embrace or accept swinging or sharing.  This is simply another activity that may or may not be a hard limit.   

I would say, it's always best to mentally explore kinks and activities.  Communicate and talk about them before doing them ahead of time.   Simply springing new activities out the the blue can be a not so nice thing on your partner.   Keeping quiet and waiting for the perfect time to talk about darker closest kinks might not be the right thing to do either.

I think too many people, expect for a somebody to submit hook line and sinker then accept everything about each other after the fact.

Currently my girl has not fully submitted to me yet, I'm not certain if this is going to evol into a D/s relationship or a Dom power couple or what yet.   It's been evoling with bedroom D/s great so far.    In terms of the dynamics outside of the bedroom, we have been playing a bit of power exchange game.   I don't mind since she is testing my Dom nature.   She enjoys the fact that I don't let her boss me around.  Believe me she has attempted at times, however, I've been able to turn the tables back around on her many times now.   Besides, how could I even possible think about earning her submission otherwise.   Basically, she has a Dom type of personality.   I was reading a post LA made on another thread about submissives with Dom personalities, that made me think a little more on this subject. 

Crap, I just went off topic now.  Basically, my point is at times it's best to explore things and communicate without trying to force things along.  Be it with swinging or even forcing D/s relationship dynamics before a person is ready.  



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RE: jealousy - 3/4/2008 8:17:13 PM   
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once your needes are met and not anytime before this, then he can go and swing or whatever. otherwise he is sharing something he needs to give you first

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RE: jealousy - 3/5/2008 6:50:03 AM   
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To the OP,
A lot of it depends on where you are in your relationship and what you each want out of it. I, personally, don't lump sharing with swinging but to each their own. A year ago I tried the sharing thing and it didn't go so well. Then lots of talking and talking and talking and now I am in a Poly relationship which is wonderful. Jealousy still comes up on both sides but we are all open and talk about things. As the Dom it is a responsibility that I took to make sure that honesty is always there otherwise things will end and end badly. Just My opinion.
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RE: jealousy - 3/5/2008 8:50:29 AM   
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Jealousy is part of beeing human. It feels bad..for sure...but it happens. BEst way is to talk about it. And ask yourself is it needed to be jealous.

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RE: jealousy - 3/5/2008 9:54:51 AM   
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RE: jealousy - 3/5/2008 10:04:06 AM   
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Jealousy I believe has its roots in our own insecurity, if we were confident in ourself then we wouldnt worry. Jealousy is about fear that WE arent good enough for whatever reason. No one can make us feel this we have to accept that we feel it. Its a crap emotion but if we accept its our own emotion, let ourself feel it we can move on.

If there are issues that you really cant cope with then tell him but accept that he doesnt do it to you but that you feel it for whatever reasons problem is we tend to blame other people for how we feel, "you kissed her twice and me once you like her more I hate you" well thats just silly why not say "hey can i have a kiss" we cant expect people to know what it is that we need. With all emotions I like to initailly feel them then see where they came from then see how i can prevent them in the future. I have no problem saying to either Sir or his slave, hey i need some nice things said about me now if you dont mind, i realise that its me that needs them not that they make me feel crap in the first place. I hope that makes sense

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RE: jealousy - 3/5/2008 10:09:50 AM   
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Are you following Me?
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who has the most posts? hence who follows who :P
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RE: jealousy - 3/5/2008 10:21:11 AM   
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OK Yours is BIGGER but Your straight . I guess I am following You. I will find to find a 12-Step Group to help Me.
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RE: jealousy - 3/5/2008 10:46:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Your needs aren't being met. If you felt loved and valued, and knew that deep down, then you wouldn't be so insecure. But because you need to be loved by him, and he's made it clear that need is never going to be met, then of course your insecurities are coming into play.


greetings,DesFIP

I tend to agree with you on the needs are not being met. I know from my experience sometimes no matter how hard you try to show your love and or your  sincere interest in that particular  person, if their demons/insecurities  that haunt them are not being addressed ,then  sadly your efforts are never going to matter.

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