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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 12:48:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: KaraLady
Perhaps "racist" wasn't the best term, since Islam isn't a race and neither is Iraqi. She's still horribly bigoted, though.

Yeah..."bigot" would be a better word. Just a scared little bigot talking big. OP, thanks for the chuckle.

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 12:50:07 PM

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Take your pick!

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 12:53:30 PM

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I think she meant religiously discrimatory. I do agree with a lot of the OP remarks, however it wasnt started with 911 and iraq didnt have anything to do with it. What does bother me is the stunning lack of people who are appauled by this act of terrorism and turn a blind eye to it and say, we are better then them, so we shouldnt be so cruel. Im sure you would change your minds if you were affected. Hell, I know I would.

A good family friend was a firefighter that day. 10 months later, everybody gave up and had a funeral for him. I still don't condone the cruelty we're showing prisoners of war, or the Iraq war in general. Afghanistan? Sure (as long as we aren't more vicious than we need to be). Iraq, no.

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And for those of you who think going into Iraq was a mistake, why dont you do a little research on how its old leader and his sons controlled it, what they did to the Kurds, and how well off they were.

And they're so much better off now, are they?

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I just hate how everyone shows our enemies more sympathy then our military (and by enemies I mean just that, and not Iraqi's or muslims)

Who is showing them more sympathy than the troops? I'm sure as hell not. I have a lot of sympathy for our troops - I just also recognize that our enemies are still human.

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 12:54:07 PM

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Take your pick!

Why?

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 12:55:32 PM

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Iraqi is not an ethnicity, being as there are 3 major groups there, and all hate eachother.

ethnicity: Identity with or membership in a particular racial, national, or cultural group and observance of that group's customs, beliefs, and language.

3 big groups that hate eachother (sunni, kurds, and shite) and there are even more then that that most people dont take into account, namely the assyrian and bedouin tribes

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 1:02:45 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1
Take your pick!

No thanks. I prefer my shovel.

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 1:06:17 PM

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And for those of you who think going into Iraq was a mistake, why dont you do a little research on how its old leader and his sons controlled it, what they did to the Kurds, and how well off they were.

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And they're so much better off now, are they?

well if you consider that they can do as they please, sell as they want, read as they want, actually go to school play sports without the fear of being killed or tortured for losing, have a relationship without being kidnapped and forced to watch as your significant other is being raped, being thrown in jail simply becuase you said you dont agree with the government, and also being able to actually vote for your leaders instead of just accepting that your whole country is basically a slave society unless your part of the Baath party or extremely wealthy (in which case you would probably be thrown in jail nad tortured) better, then yes. Oh i fogot to mention that not even Saddams family was safe, nor his wifes. he killed and or tortured much of his family. But that could just be me. Or, Im right. Iraq had a better turn out in the voting booths then we did when they elected their official, and they were getting blown up. Apparently THEY dont take their freedoms and privliges for granted.

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I just hate how everyone shows our enemies more sympathy then our military (and by enemies I mean just that, and not Iraqi's or muslims)

Who is showing them more sympathy than the troops? I'm sure as hell not. I have a lot of sympathy for our troops - I just also recognize that our enemies are still human.

They are still human. But once they pick up a weapon and point it at us, they must be dealt with, according to the geneva convention. Abu grav (sp?) was an atrocity. If the people did something wrong, they need to be punished, just like us. We are at war. It is not pretty. We shouldnt fluff their pillows and serve gormet meals to the people that tried to kill us when we are trying to help them out. The main reason we have so many people attacking us in Iraq is party because some politcian fired the entire Iraqi army, instead of letting them keep their jobs. Oh yeah, and the fact that Saudi's are the ones doing most of the attacking, not Iraqis

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 1:08:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: KaraLady

Perhaps "racist" wasn't the best term, since Islam isn't a race and neither is Iraqi. She's still horribly bigoted, though.

iraqi is a race, its people from iraq

iraqi is NOT a race. its a people. like american.

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 1:12:25 PM

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A war over oil? More accurate. But you still need to read yourself, and see what we are doing over there and in africa, and stop wearing your blinders. We are not oppressing our beliefs on them (as far as religion is concerned) and we are providing them with an aveunue of freedom, in which we are allowing them to steer the wheel. Its their own damn fault they cant comprimise with eachother and become peaceful and INDEPENDENT. And for those of you who think going into Iraq was a mistake, why dont you do a little research on how its old leader and his sons controlled it, what they did to the Kurds, and how well off they were. The way in which we stayed there was a mistake. going there, was not. even if it was for the wrong reasons that the media reported, we still needed to be there.

Here is the problem...The case for war was based upon false information...Never mind that fact. Let's say that we went over there to provide those sweet little Muslims the opportunity to taste our version of freedom....The way we provide that opportunity is by laying down the precious lives of our fellow American soldiers.

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thickerdenwater
we are providing them with an aveunue of freedom, in which we are allowing them to steer the wheel. Its their own damn fault they cant comprimise with eachother and become peaceful and INDEPENDENT.

Here is where you are dead wrong...This is where we do the "American thing" and shirk all responsibility. Before we lay down the lives of our fellow Americans didn't we owe them as well as ourselves an accurate depiction of that region and the forces at work that make up the country that is Iraq? We blame them for not being able to "come together." When in fact we have allowed close to 4,000 of our soldiers to perish and an additional 30,000 to be wounded because we did not have an understanding that a unified iraq was not possible.

You blame the Iraqis....I blame those that sent our troops to die and become wounded over an unobtainable objective.

What a waste.

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 1:25:50 PM

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Here is the problem...The case for war was based upon false information...Never mind that fact. Let's say that we went over there to provide those sweet little Muslims the opportunity to taste our version of freedom....The way we provide that opportunity is by laying down the precious lives of our fellow American soldiers.

We, as a people, and to keep with our "word of honor" (laughs inside) cant force our version of freedom on them, they have entirely different beliefs and culture. So how can we expect to give them something that they must create themselves? they must take what is rightfully theirs. We did the dirty work. they must complete the path to freedom. We layed our lives on the line for them, albiet under false pretense, but what makes them so much less important then us? They are humans too, and they deserve the right to be free. and you might want to see how many of them died too. They have sacrificed a lot more then we have. Not saying any sacrifice is right, but I am trying to keep things in perspective.

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Here is where you are dead wrong...This is where we do the "American thing" and shirk all responsibility. Before we lay down the lives of our fellow Americans didn't we owe them as well as ourselves an accurate depiction of that region and the forces at work that make up the country that is Iraq? We blame them for not being able to "come together." When in fact we have allowed close to 4,000 of our soldiers to perish and an additional 30,000 to be wounded because we did not have an understanding that a unified iraq was not possible.

IMO we should split the country up. But thats ludicrous. We do blame them. Those mother fuckers went on summer vacation instead of working to unify their very own country, becuase it was too hot. We were still out there providing security and trying to keep things neutral in more the 80lbs of gear, in the very same heat, being killed and injured each and every day while they sip pina coladas.

Although, I do agree with you on one thing, the dumb asses that didnt listen to Colin Powell screwed the pooch on planning. They had no clue about what to do after we took out Saddam.

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You blame the Iraqis....I blame those that sent our troops to die and become wounded over an unobtainable objective.

What a waste.

Thank you for calling my life a waste, as well as every other military member. Not like we havent done anything at all over there to help out. not like they havent actually welcomed us there. noooooooo, what we did, and everyone who was wounded or died on both sides, yeah, we are all a waste.

Oh and yeah, I hope you voted and vote. Because if you didnt or dont, you are adding to the problem and letting these people who make our country look like tards in a park run it. (If you did vote, then your helping, I hope, to try to keep these people out, where ever your vote lies)

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 1:30:30 PM

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I do care. This Marine was and remains quite disgusted by the acts perpetrated by US military personnel on prisoners of war at Abu Ghraib, as well as the ongoing illegal incarcerations at Guantanimo. We do not win a war on terror by becoming indistinguishable from the terrorists themselves.

In this so-called "war on terror", the enemy is not Islam, but thuggish murderers with no conception of the value of human life. The Al Qaida terrorists are not Muslims, but murderers. They showed that in Bali. They have as much connection to the Koran as a side of bacon. Disrespecting the Koran makes enemies out of Muslims who might otherwise be useful allies.

Self-righteous anger sounds so very noble. Unfortunately, as Iraq demonstrates so clearly, it also tends to up the body counts on both sides.

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 1:46:41 PM

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I have read all the posts on this, and I wish to ask this of all.. Would the world be a safer place with Saddam still in power? How many times did he snub his nose at the UN and throw out all the UN Inspectors? and fianally, Do W/we A/all remember Vietnam?

I echo the guy who asks you to study facts. This fight is NOT over oil! It is not even over Democracy. It is over Oppression by a brutal dictator. For those who think this is over oil, get your facts right before you post.

When this country was at war in Vietnam, the politicians slammed the door in thier faces and stopped supporting the troops. I can see this same turn of events happening in Iraq. If we as Americans vote into office the people who will turn and run in Iraq, what message will that send to our Allies? They will always think of Americans as spineless, willing to start the fight, but NOT mopping up and staying for the hard work after. YES, I wish there was no more loss of life in Iraq, but it will take decades to make it right. I agree why we are there and why we went there, but we have to finish the job we started.

Just my opinion.

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 1:55:32 PM

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I have read all the posts on this, and I wish to ask this of all.. Would the world be a safer place with Saddam still in power?

Probably. He was a known quantity and with little power to do mischief beyond his borders. There was a reason Dubya's daddy stopped before the tanks reached Baghdad.

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 1:57:18 PM

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I forgot to mention this

TO ALL WHO SERVED IN IRAQ, AND ANY OTHER CONFLICT THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN IN, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!!!

I to am a Vietnam Vet, SSG E-6 US Army

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 2:09:44 PM

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What i always wondered is why we toddled into iraq due to the brutal regime but stayed well out of the less than perfect one in africa. Also i dont half laugh at the link between bin laden and saddam... you do know that they are like polar opposites right?

Also how we can moralise going in and then leaving them to sort out the mess and not expect them to be a little bit peeved about it.

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 2:12:50 PM

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and its a damned good thing this person isnt an ambassador for our nation. wed be at war with everyone. I just hate how everyone shows our enemies more sympathy then our military (and by enemies I mean just that, and not Iraqi's or muslims)

I hear where you're coming from. I do, however, support our troops, 100% and do not hold more sympathy for the enemy than our military. Not one bit. I just can't turn the whole world into an 'us vs. them' mentality. I am so proud of the work that the US does around the world in humanitarian assistance. I've known men in the military who have shared with me their stories of how they personally assisted people and made connections. When there is a crisis, the US has been integral in rescue efforts. None of that makes it alright, however, to bash an entire religion based on the actions of zealots - which is how I read this email as well as others that I've had come through my mailbox.

I have a really hard time with those who bash America, who say there is nothing good here, how we deserve to be hated and scorned - and oftentimes it's Americans doing this sort of trashing. There are a ton of great things about this country that I love. But I still think it is healthy to question and think rather than simply react.

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 2:14:17 PM

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Iraqi is an ethnicity and a nationality, but not a race. "Race" has different, broader connotations.

Of course, could just be that I've taken too many humanities courses and I'm suffering from overdoing the academia.

"Race" is a cultural construct created by anthropologists.

That woman isn't a racist.

She's an idiot.

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 2:19:31 PM

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Nice to know I'm not the only one who read that and didn't respond with "WOO YEAH AMERICA!! HOORAY".

That woman sounds extremely racist and gullible and I hope her viewpoint is the minority.

The Taliban Started, the WRONG way of thinking.
Yes the Taliban have given the Koran a Bad Rep.

Maybe George Carlins Wife wrote this?

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 2:20:55 PM

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Here is where you are dead wrong...This is where we do the "American thing" and shirk all responsibility. Before we lay down the lives of our fellow Americans didn't we owe them as well as ourselves an accurate depiction of that region and the forces at work that make up the country that is Iraq? We blame them for not being able to "come together." When in fact we have allowed close to 4,000 of our soldiers to perish and an additional 30,000 to be wounded because we did not have an understanding that a unified iraq was not possible.

You blame the Iraqis....I blame those that sent our troops to die and become wounded over an unobtainable objective.

What a waste.

Yes, and this is when I started getting PO'd at the administration. When all this talk of war started, I didn't realize the sort of ethnic hatred/discrimination/whatever issues Iraq has as a country, so therefore, didn't understand that thinking a unified Iraq is an impossibility. Here's the thing, though - I'M not privy to the sorts of information those we voted into power are. I'm not educated enough about the region to understand this. But shit, shouldn't *someone* have realized this?? When it became more and more obvious how fucked up the situation is, I got more and more angry at those who sold me a fairy tale war. Hell, I was praying that there were stockpiles of incredibly dangerous weapons found in the middle of Baghdad so that somehow this all could be justified in some way. But no...

And now we have to follow through on this mess that this country is in. I don't have the solution - I don't pretend to be intelligent or learned enough to have one, but we certainly can't just jump out and let the country go to pot.

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RE: One Just {1} Angry Woman. - 3/5/2008 2:26:25 PM

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Letter from one 'Angry Woman'

Letter from one fucked up bitch.

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