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MissSCD -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 8:46:08 AM)
lalbobbilynn: Very well said. I would do as you are doing right now. If we don't protect our families, who will? It makes me sick to see what is going on right now. We are living in very violent times. Best wishes to you. Regards, MissSCD quote: ORIGINAL: lalbobbilynn Such an interesting thread ...... many thanks for bringing it to everyones attention MissSCD! i have a tween child as well as a very small child, so i have been aware of such sites for over a decade. Because my children travel often to visit extended family (Nanas/Papas; aunts, uncles, and cousins) in other states, i have had a lil experience with several different state sites. North Carolinas site (the city i was in) does not offer ages of the victims, nor does it explain what the leagl charges are. South Carolina is a bit different (better), and Michigan is a bit better then the preceeding two states. Although my children are not as active as some of their cousins (only one outside activity pre season for my children), i also check out any person that has even a minimal involvement with my children. Does not matter it be baseball, guitar, karate, or even Story Hour at the local library ..... i check every person out!! Some folks feel i am a tad extreme ...... i feel i am a mother who has experienced negative situations as a child. i suppose in hinsight i can see how i appear a ummmmm, bit much ......... such as when my son had his First Communion and was also to do his first confession ........ i followed the Priest into his side of the confession and would not leave ....... i mean, really ......... what could my then eight y/o confess!!! Furthermore ....... (as i explained to the Priest) God entrusted ME with this child, and if the Priest didnt like God's choice, he could go pray on it!!!! When i look at my children ...... their friends ....... i just ...... anyway. ~My father is a police/fireman who has had many a heated converstaions with me about how i am under no circimstances legally allowed to bother any folks i find on such sites. i concur as things could very well be as Greed Top mentioned. Such a situation occured btwn a 17y/o boy and i (was 14), wherein my father threatened said boy with rape if he would not stop seeing me. That aside i feel strongly that my first job as a mother is to protect my children ...... there are times i go overboard, yet when explained, i have never encountered a person who has blamed me for attempting to keep my children who they are ..... children. Respectfully~ b.

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 8:51:31 AM)
sex offender lists are ridiculous...many of these people on the list did so little to get on this list. you can get on it just for kissing a minor... they can even slap a parent for kissing their kid on the cheek. sounds silly...but the law these days is silly.

Aswad -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 8:57:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Especially when children figure on them. There was an article in the NYT a while back that described how some eleven year olds who had "interfered" with other children were hung up there for everyone to see, and the aftermath on their lives. Once up there, it's very difficult to be removed, even if your name is cleared (or indeed, if you were a child yourself when you committed the offense). Yup. But even without that issue. Like another poster said, innocent people have been lynched over this. And it has potential to go very badly wrong. This is a checklist for people to contact if you're looking to pay for a bad sort of revenge against your ex, for instance. Or if you're on it yourself, and would like someone to work with. After all, what do they have to lose in the first place? You'd have to be discreet about it, of course, but I can see a lot of ways to abuse this list. (That's sort of part of my job: to think like a cynical bastard with malicious and criminal intent, figure out what options exist to attack, and then switch back to security dude modus and close off those options.) quote: Of course not, Aswad - I don't believe in retributory justice, and I loathe vigilantes and the lynchmob mentality. Excellent. I just had to ask for clarification, as a lot of otherwise sensible people lose their good senses where certain topics are concerned. I don't fault them for it (hate the sin, not the sinner), but it is a fault, after all, and sensible people often see it when it is pointed out to them. I hope you realize that my intentions were good. My apologies for the false implication. quote: Well, not really. It's made me feel a little paranoid (don't forget I'm not in my "natural environment" here, and that I'm still "adapting", alien that I am), but I'm a rational individual, so I'm not going to lead my life - I'm a mother too - with suspicion constantly in my mind. Done correctly, suspicion can be a healthy frame of mind that needn't make life unpleasant. quote: I can't talk for other people, but I would hope they'd be able to rationalise too. As someone who educates people on how to think security on a professional basis, and an observer of the human condition, I would have to say that the ability to think rationally- particularly under pressure or while confronted with emotion or expectations- is one of the least characteristic traits of the human species. That problem is compounded by our lack of proper risk evaluation, and the fact that we tend to structure our society for complacency in that department. This registry is a case in point, albeit a small one. quote: "Safety" is all relative, but I'll reiterate that I shan't live as if I or my son or those that I love were constantly in danger - what would be the point of living, then :-) ? The point of living would still be the same. Danger is not the same as immediate danger. You wear a seatbelt while driving, I would presume? That's all I'm saying. Health, al-Aswad.

kittinSol -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 9:03:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad You wear a seatbelt while driving, I would presume? Hmmm... not as consistently as I should.

Aswad -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 9:10:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Hmmm... not as consistently as I should. Then that probably needs to go higher on your list of priorities than the registered sex offenders in the neighbourhood. Driving without a seatbelt is a lot more dangerous than being highly promiscuous without using condoms, for instance. I think a lot of us here would instinctively reverse the risk of the two in our evaluation, though. And a lot of us would probably reverse the priority of the two when taking steps for our safety. Health, al-Aswad.

kittinSol -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 9:18:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad Driving without a seatbelt is a lot more dangerous than being highly promiscuous without using condoms, for instance. I wonder where that one came from [sm=biggrin.gif] . I hear your concern; it's legitimate. I'm working on it :-) .

DomKen -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 9:28:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSCD I don't believe in lynch mobs either because they criminal; however, if I had children especially small ones, I would form a group of some kind to make them aware we knew who they are and try to run them out of town. *Sorry, but this nonsence of killing our children and violence has to stop some where.* *Regards, MisssSCD* Consider your premise a little more closely. A regsitered offender actually living at the registered address is clearly making some effort to comply with the law. Putting pressure on that person to move is simply another encouragement to dropo off the radar and return to criminal behavior. Furthermore if everyone ran every registered offender out of their neighborhood that would leave these people no place to live and that is a sure way to cause more crimes. The public registry is at best a horrible idea and at worst an incitement to violence.

Aswad -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 9:35:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol I wonder where that one came from [sm=biggrin.gif] . Brain fart. I didn't pause to consider that it sounded like an implication I did not mean to make. It's just something that's an oft-voiced concern in this community, used as an example for the sake of perspective. Health, al-Aswad.

GreedyTop -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 9:36:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Consider your premise a little more closely. A regsitered offender actually living at the registered address is clearly making some effort to comply with the law. Putting pressure on that person to move is simply another encouragement to dropo off the radar and return to criminal behavior. Furthermore if everyone ran every registered offender out of their neighborhood that would leave these people no place to live and that is a sure way to cause more crimes. OK, I agree.. even the IF offender doesnt repeat the sex offender behavior, there are many more crimes they can commit. (damn the word drop syndrome....)

lalbobbilynn -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 9:42:20 AM)
Aswad Sir ....... i am unceratin how to do that quote thing-y, yet i wanted to add that i agree with so very much of what You said. Some thirteen yrs ago when i became a mother, i too was generally petrified after discovering such sites. When rational thinking finally came to reside for good in my intellect, i realized just as kittinSol stated ........ i refused to live in overall and general fear. In all my days i have only had one encounter with a person form such a site. My children and i were in the local coffee shop after our weekly trip to the library. The man behind us commented on the appearnce of my children ..... just a general ....... "what beautiful children", remark. i recognized this person instantly. After his purchase was finished, i walked up to the man (my children were across the coffee shop reading their library books), i leaned into his ear and i said ....... "i dont know You, i just know of You. i am a mother, and all i can think of saying to You is ...... i respectfully request You never speak to my children". i was shaking, and this man looked me in the eye and said ........ "i understand, Ma'am, and i would do the same if i was You. Ya'all have a good day." He left the coffee shop, and i never saw him again. i must say i am "usually" an extremely knee jerk reaction type of person. i was pleased with myself that i did not cycle on station, nor make a scene by way of cussing like a drunken salior!!! The information about this man from the website was very basic ...... yet the charges were numerous, and repetitive. In no way do i regret what i said, nor what i did, nor would i have gone out of my way to make a massive to do if this person had NOT spoken directly to me about my children (i always thought i would, yet i must say, i am quite proud that i did not!!). I do not bother to ponder the "what if's" i had not been familiar with such a website, hence unknowing said man by sight. All i know is, i scan such sites monthly, and then go about my life. Respectfully~ b.

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 9:43:16 AM)
stuff like this???? STALK STALK STALK

sirsholly -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 9:55:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen if everyone ran every registered offender out of their neighborhood that would leave these people no place to live hm...pity.

kittinSol -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 10:08:50 AM)
If (convicted) sex offenders are forced to live a life drifting, they'll be even harder to pin down and keep under observation. Not to mention, homelessness wasn't part of their sentence.

GreedyTop -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 10:17:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lalbobbilynn Aswad Sir ....... i am unceratin how to do that quote thing-y, yet i wanted to add that i agree with so very much of what You said. Some thirteen yrs ago when i became a mother, i too was generally petrified after discovering such sites. When rational thinking finally came to reside for good in my intellect, i realized just as kittinSol stated ........ i refused to live in overall and general fear. In all my days i have only had one encounter with a person form such a site. My children and i were in the local coffee shop after our weekly trip to the library. The man behind us commented on the appearnce of my children ..... just a general ....... "what beautiful children", remark. i recognized this person instantly. After his purchase was finished, i walked up to the man (my children were across the coffee shop reading their library books), i leaned into his ear and i said ....... "i dont know You, i just know of You. i am a mother, and all i can think of saying to You is ...... i respectfully request You never speak to my children". i was shaking, and this man looked me in the eye and said ........ "i understand, Ma'am, and i would do the same if i was You. Ya'all have a good day." He left the coffee shop, and i never saw him again. i must say i am "usually" an extremely knee jerk reaction type of person. i was pleased with myself that i did not cycle on station, nor make a scene by way of cussing like a drunken salior!!! The information about this man from the website was very basic ...... yet the charges were numerous, and repetitive. In no way do i regret what i said, nor what i did, nor would i have gone out of my way to make a massive to do if this person had NOT spoken directly to me about my children (i always thought i would, yet i must say, i am quite proud that i did not!!). I do not bother to ponder the "what if's" i had not been familiar with such a website, hence unknowing said man by sight. All i know is, i scan such sites monthly, and then go about my life. Respectfully~ b. good for you, bobbilynn :)

Reform -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 10:30:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Consider your premise a little more closely. A regsitered offender actually living at the registered address is clearly making some effort to comply with the law. Putting pressure on that person to move is simply another encouragement to dropo off the radar and return to criminal behavior. Furthermore if everyone ran every registered offender out of their neighborhood that would leave these people no place to live and that is a sure way to cause more crimes. The public registry is at best a horrible idea and at worst an incitement to violence. I agree. These people have to comply to so many laws, that pressure from neighbors doesn't help. I was living in an apartment complex last year, and a registered offender moved into the same complex. The week he moved in, he had to go door to door to inform everyone of his past offences. People who were not home got a flier with his mug shot on it, and a message saying "I moved in this complex, this is my bringing this fact to your attention." If these people are out of jail, we assume they're making some effort to get back to normal life, however when they are required by law to go door to door, how are we helping them get back into society?

cyberdude611 -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 10:31:22 AM)
I dont see how such registries really help... In fact, they had to take one of the registries down in Maine because a couple vigilantes decided to take the law in their own hands and starting shooting people on the list. This also only lists the people who have been caught and convicted. There are many more out there who have not been caught or somehow escaped conviction. These lists also dont give specifics. A 19 year old that has sex with a 17 year old is hardly a sex offender in my book. But the law says he/she is. Also keep in mind that 80% of all abuse on children is committed by someone within the child's own family. Nearly 3/4ths of rape victims are raped by someone the woman knows... Statistically you have a MUCH higher chance of being raped by the date you are going out with tonight than the sex offender down the street.

GreedyTop -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 10:37:26 AM)
hear hear, cyberdude DISCLAIMER: I don't have kids, but I DO understand the concern parents have, and I do not in any way diminish their concerns. BRAVO to those parents that understand that taking an alarmist POV is useless (and I'm not sure I'm making myself clear... ) ok, shuttin up now ;)

sirsholly -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 10:53:10 AM)
such registries, right now, are the only tools parents have.

sirsholly -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 11:02:30 AM)
and i realize that homeless is not part of their sentence, but it can be a consequence of their actions. Although it cannot compare to the lifelong consequences suffered by the child they molested

luckydog1 -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 11:03:22 AM)
It seems usefull for women like lalbobillyn. No reason for parents to be alarmist, for sure. But if you can check people that do have contact with your kids, you have made them a little safer. Also for activities (little leauge, reading programs, ect,) it gives a cheap and simple way to do a basic screening of volunteers. IF the situation becomes that a Little leauge must conduct 5k background checks on all 100 volunteers, you have costs of 500,000$ before you have even bought a single baseball or rented field time. And kids get robbed of activities and development. 17 & 18 year olds? That is a law issue, which needs to be adressed. They should not be convicted as sex offenders, the listing part of the punishment is beside the point. The law does not work that way in my State, and I was under the impression that due to a few high profile events, no state operates like that any more. IF there still are a few, that needs to be adressed, totally seperate from the List issue. Now is there any epidemic of alledged Child molestors being lynched? I imagine it does happen sometimes. But the relevant question would be has it gone up or down since the lists started being posted? As to it making life difficult, yes it does. It makes it much harder to become a trusted acepted member of a community, getting to know kids. And almost all the attacks occur, by a trusted person known to them. If a person has a history of date rape, that should absolutly be public knowledge. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time..... I suppose I would accept getting rid of the lists and making Child Molestation a mental disorder studyied by disection and or other experimentation.

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