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Aswad -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 1:49:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSCD What parent would not hound them by knowing who they are and what they are doing in the area where a child is? A good parent. Or a parent who simply isn't arrogant enough to play at being judge and jury. They did their time. Now they're trying to start over. The chance of relapse, without *any* attempts at rehabilitation is about 50% up here, 30% with basic rehab, 15% with intensive rehab, and <10% with chemical castration. Those are the numbers for rapists, child molesters, etc., from official sources. This constitutes reasonable doubt as to *future* offenses, IMO. Don't give them a good reason to stay off the radar. Hell, who do you think the cops will talk to first thing if a kid turns up abused in your neighbourhood? Even if they stay on the mat for the rest of their lives, they will be the number one suspect at all times, despite there being less than a 1-in-4 chance of them being the perpetrator (most rapes and molestations are done by an acquaintance of the victim, or by a relative). C'mon, don't buy the party line that they are monsters. That's what the vanilla crowd says about sadists, so you really should have had enough of an eye-opener by now to see that the party line isn't always correct. There are *lines* they have to cross in their own mind before putting their paws on your wee uns. And now that they are back, wouldn't you rather they have some good incentive to stay on your side of that line? Like a house? A job? A spouse? quote: Frankly as blunt as I am in forums, when it comes to my family, I am going to do everything I can to protect them. From what you are saying here, you are going to do everything you can to stick your head in the sand so you can feel safe. I'm not seeing much evidence that you actually care about you and your family *being* safe. quote: I may be blunt, but after living with Satan for five years, I need to warn people what is out there. I'm blunt. You're just taking shortcuts. There's a difference. Health, al-Aswad. P.S.: I have personal experience with these people, their victims, and some who have been innocently accused; it isn't theoretical for me, so don't bother blowing it off as if I am any less concerned about preventing such occurences than you are.

Stephann -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 1:52:03 PM)
CL, It's typically the 'classification' of offense, usually somewhat vague. It doesn't list the actual details. For example, a 45 year old man who was convicted of sex with a 16 year old gets the same classification as a 19 year old man convicted of sleeping with his 17 year old girlfriend. What's scarey, is that they usually list pictures of the guy, his full name, address, and usually provide mapquest style images of where he lives. Stephan

Aswad -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 1:53:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSCD I keep that private Stephann. I am an expert in these areas. But, I do not go out stalking people for my own satisfataction. I can take it or leave it. All, I am saying is that the sex offender does not have a right to live close to a child. Look what happened to Jessica in Florida. That is my position on it. So, you are saying that you are an *expert sex offender*, and that sex offenders don't have a right to live close to a child? Just curious as to how you reconcile those two points... Health, al-Aswad.

DomKen -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 1:55:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly such registries, right now, are the only tools parents have. Parents that are useless enough to have this list as their only tool shouldn't have kids to begin with. Health, al-Aswad. cheap shot. I have no clue what happens in your neck of the woods, but around here the police do not go door to door to inform parents of a sex offender in the neighborhood, nor does the offender wear a sign on his back. And an fyi, Aswad...i am NOT a useless parent. Why not actually teach your um's to be safe? Wouldn't that protect them from pedophiles registered or unregistered? Why do you think warning them to stay away from some specific stranger will keep them safe from all potential molesters? Will lynching the pedophile who is obeying the law and registering as required protect your um's from those molesters who have gone underground due to teh draconian punsihment or those who have never been caught. I personally agree with Aswad, parents who rely on the registry to protect their um's shouldn't have um's.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 2:09:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSCD *I have a sex offender that is less than .28 miles from me.* That is such a funny thing to say; Greater London is 30 miles across and I expect there is more than one here.[:D] You must be one of those people I hear on the news that says "You don't expect to hear about such things here we are such a quiet village."

Aswad -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 2:17:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly cheap shot. Not at all. Call it an "executive summary" if you will. Cliff notes version. quote: I have no clue what happens in your neck of the woods, but around here the police do not go door to door to inform parents of a sex offender in the neighborhood, nor does the offender wear a sign on his back. In my neck of the woods, they generally don't repeat the offense, and it's not considered to be the neighbours' business what someone did before they were released from prison. If they are thought to still pose a risk, they are remanded to psychiatric care for as long as the risk persists. Otherwise, they are set up with housing and a job when they're through with rehab, so they can get back on the right side of the law. quote: And an fyi, Aswad...i am NOT a useless parent. You're the one who made the conclusion you are rejecting here. I didn't even know you have kids; check the mirror before you point at me. Health, al-Aswad.

Aswad -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 2:19:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord Do these people also show up in the registry? Yes. quote: If so, are they marked as being relatively minor offenders? Depends. Considering how humans think, how many do you suspect will check, even if the information is provided? Health, al-Aswad.

Aswad -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 2:24:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I personally agree with Aswad, parents who rely on the registry to protect their um's shouldn't have um's. Nice to see someone get it. Your advice was sound. Minor point in this regard: predators go for the easy prey, and prefer to be unnoticed. Net result: awareness (you know, that thing that has been honed through 1 million years of evolution targetted at survival, both our own and that of our offspring) and not being easy prey are the most effective strategies. Especially when you consider that most who molest kids are targetting them due to their status as easy prey, rather than due to any actual attraction to children per se. Coddling the children to death, or focusing on useless lists, is just setting them up as ideal victims. As the saying goes, I don't have to outrun the hungry bear, I just have to outrun the other viable meals. The same thing goes for kids, pretty much. Health, al-Aswad.

CuriousLord -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 2:32:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad quote: If so, are they marked as being relatively minor offenders? Depends. Considering how humans think, how many do you suspect will check, even if the information is provided? More than if not. One of the few issues I agree on the feminist English majors here is about statuchory being a moralistic bit of legal trash (though they tend to take it a bit further). As something of a side note, I managed to staple my thumb while writing this post. Thank Karana for Listerene.

luckydog1 -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 2:41:33 PM)
"P.S.: I have personal experience with these people, their victims, and some who have been innocently accused; it isn't theoretical for me, so don't bother blowing it off as if I am any less concerned about preventing such occurences than you are. " This does not reconcile with this... "As the saying goes, I don't have to outrun the hungry bear, I just have to outrun the other viable meals. The same thing goes for kids, pretty much. Health, al-Aswad."

wkdshadow -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 3:52:04 PM)
This'll be my first/last visit to this thread, but I'll air my opinion. I personally have a problem with the sex offender registry - when you get out of jail, you've done your time. It's noones business what you were convicted of, and having this information doesn't really make you safer, unless you decide to move. But you'll find sex offenders everywhere. All these databases do is enable discrimination later on down the line, aid vigilanties, and spread fear. To me, it's a violation of privacy. And then there's the problem of security... I find it more likely to destroy someons life, than save it, based on this experience: A few months ago the website I do sysadmin work for came under a DDoS attack from mlp-075.ci.milpitas.ca.gov(The geeks here probably remember the slashdot story of ca.gov being removed the zone file? Yeah, it's related.) which shared an IP with www.meganslaw.ca.gov at the time. They're on seperate machines now, but only because I contacted the county of milpitas and told them what the hell was going on. One main issue I stressed is that the guy "easypwn" had access to that, and to point out the severity I pointed out that he could put someone on the california sex offender registry. Thankfully they've changed things around and his access was removed extremely fast - within about an hour ca.gov didn't resolve anymore because the feds removed it from the DNS server they were so freaked out - but the possibility still existed that someone could have ended up on that registry that didn't belong. That possibility exists with any registry, and can have irreversible consequences to those placed on it, with places such as google.com, and all the other search engines crawling and caching (nearly) everything they can see. Archive.org keeps dated copies of websites even if the text is changed. And, if you think I'm full of shit, google. The guy had access to this machine for a long time before I contacted them, and didn't try to hide it. http://www.google.com/search?q=easypwn+milpitas&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/03/2232222

Usako -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 4:17:00 PM)
Oh my! There are offenders on almost every block in my city! Oh wait, I live in NYC. Oh well, more people for the lynchmob to hunt down! Pfft...

adoracat -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 4:18:31 PM)
the registry is both good and bad. i knew a man who had a psychotic break due to KNOWN drug interactions that had been documented by his physician for more than a month before he acted out online to someone purporting to be a 15 year old girl. in actuality it was a sheriff's deputy. he was marked for the rest of his life, although he was not found guilty, nor did he even serve a day in jail, much less prision. i know another man whose niece accused him of unspeakable things....because he wouldnt take her to the mall. she confessed that she had made it up during his trial, but they wouldnt believe her, he served 5 years and cannot have any contact with any person under 18...including his 3 children who were all under 8 years old when he was sentenced. i have 25-30 offenders in a mile radius of my home. there is also an elementary school in that mile radius. and in fla, age of consent is 16, as long as there is no more than 2 years between the consenting parties, otherwise its 18. oh yeah. that first man? was my first dominant. and i never saw him do ANYTHING untoward in the 4 years we had together. kitten, sighing

Slavehandsome -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 4:24:23 PM)
How about we implement a wife-beater registry? What about a cheater registry? How about we have sensors that alert mall security (and all the shoppers for that matter) when someone who's ever stolen something walks into a mall? We could just notate their VeriChip www.verichipcorp.com and they'd know. How about a smoker registry? A non-smoker registry? A muslim registry?

sirsholly -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 4:29:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: In my neck of the woods, they generally don't repeat the offense, and it's not considered to be the neighbours' business what someone did before they were released from prison. Stats prove that 60% repeat the offense. That, plus the fact that i have an um to protect from someone who may hurt him makes it my business.

Usako -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 4:39:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome How about we implement a wife-beater registry? What about a cheater registry? How about we have sensors that alert mall security (and all the shoppers for that matter) when someone who's ever stolen something walks into a mall? We could just notate their VeriChip www.verichipcorp.com and they'd know. How about a smoker registry? A non-smoker registry? A muslim registry? A smoking registry, lovely! That way I can save myself and my children from the horrors of second hand smoke. And then form a lynch mob to run those cancer bringers right out of town! We need a registry for everything, to ensure our towns are PURE and safe. Lord knows if there was a "Perv Registry" most people on this site would be run into the ground and then start crying how unfair it is.

sirsholly -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 4:44:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly Why not actually teach your um's to be safe? Wouldn't that protect them from pedophiles registered or unregistered? Why do you think warning them to stay away from some specific stranger will keep them safe from all potential molesters? Will lynching the pedophile who is obeying the law and registering as required protect your um's from those molesters who have gone underground due to teh draconian punsihment or those who have never been caught. I personally agree with Aswad, parents who rely on the registry to protect their um's shouldn't have um's. first..my um is 18 months old. Secondly, do you actually think that the victims of pedophiles were not taught about stranger danger? Third, where did you get the idea i want to lynch anyone?

kittinSol -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 4:46:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Usako Lord knows if there was a "Perv Registry" most people on this site would be run into the ground and then start crying how unfair it is. With the exception of those of us who are purer than a new born dove [sm=flying.gif].

Aswad -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 4:46:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord More than if not. Ceded. quote: One of the few issues I agree on the feminist English majors here is about statuchory being a moralistic bit of legal trash (though they tend to take it a bit further). Yup. I'd comment, but it'd violate the TOS, so if you'd like to hear what it's like up here (less repressed), mail me. Either way, it's a witch-hunt, as demonstrated by the Rind et al paper and attendant controversy. Never in the history of the social sciences has there been a paper that methodologically sound and uncontroversially factual in what they were asserting, yet they earned the distinction of being unanimously condemned by congress because their conclusions- scientific fact, as far as it goes in social sciences- were "immoral." Take a moment to reflect on that. Immoral facts, because the natural inclination of anyone reading those conclusions would be to view them as tearing down the very foundations of something that is critical to ideas upon which they have based much of their worldview, or perhaps their careers. A later review by the main review body concluded that the study was as sound as it gets, within the scope of what they were trying to show, and that the whole thing is vaguely reminiscent of telling the church that the world is not flat. So much for the church holding us back... seems they're ahead of the pack with regard to accepting science. quote: As something of a side note, I managed to staple my thumb while writing this post. Better than Loctite on the space bar, I guess. [:D] Health, al-Aswad.

Aswad -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 4:48:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 This does not reconcile with this... Actually, it does. I am concerned with preventing such occurences. I am even more concerned with it not happening to people I care about, including me. Where is the contradiction you think you see? [;)] Health, al-Aswad.

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