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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 11:11:46 AM

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I did a search of my area and found my ex-boss. Wasn't much of a surprise though.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 11:20:36 AM

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There's also an important factor for NOT behaving adversely towards those on the sex offenders' register...

While I understand the reactions of anger, etc... the last thing I would want is to hound such people out and force them underground. Keep them in the community, they're in the open and watchable... drive them underground and they can use their anonymity as a useful aid should they want to reoffend.

Also, when a person hears reference to the sex offenders' register they automatically assume 'rapist' or 'paedophile' offences. I knew someone who was a very immature 20 year old who had sex with a rather mature female who was regularly on the pub/club scene (have to be over eighteen in the UK to drink/get into clubs) and who was also four days shy of her sixteenth birthday. B/c her parents did not like the 20 year old they informed the police and pressed charges. He is now listed as a sex offender. He never knew her real age, she always maintained she was eighteen, even when questioned by the authorities.

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I feel ambivalent about such registries. On the one hand, it's reassuring to know who the offenders are and where they live; but on the other hand... what do I do with the information? I'm not going to lynchmob these people and make myself a criminal. They've already gone to jail, and presumably are being monitored by the local constabulary.

When I looked at the local registry I freaked out a little bit: here are the names, mugshots and biodata of these people (a few are women - one slept with a sixteen year old boy, and she was twenty-one; I thought it was a bit much she figured with rapists and other violent criminals, but anyway).... I can't decide whether it's reassuring to know all this.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 11:28:50 AM

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When I looked at the local registry I freaked out a little bit: here are the names, mugshots and biodata of these people (a few are women - one slept with a sixteen year old boy, and she was twenty-one; I thought it was a bit much she figured with rapists and other violent criminals, but anyway).... I can't decide whether it's reassuring to know all this.

I never realized the difference in these registries. In my state there are no details at all given...it simply reads 'sex offender' no matter if it is a rapist, child molester, etc.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 11:49:26 AM

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Ron,

I wish our lifestyle had a criminal registry on it. Voyaging is probably the first offense followed by some assault and battery.

Regares, MissSCD

Do you not realize that many of the activities we consensually enjoy are, technically illegal, and as they're being committed in a sexual context, we could easily land on that list? Men, and women?

"Officer, really, I wanted him to hit me with that bullwhip!"

Doesn't matter. Consent isn't a valid defense for assault.

Sex offenders have existed for as long as sex existed. That we have the means to track them digitally through satallite and internet doesn't make us safer, it just makes us more aware of the risks we already take by living in a society.

The fact that you would 'hound' them is exactly why these registries are horrible ideas. If an offender is doomed to a lifetime of shame and condemnation, why should he bother obeying the laws?

I'm sure you could find a suitable patch of land in the middle of Wyoming or Montana where you won't have to worry about sex offenders (or anyone else) within 10 miles if you're that concerned.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 11:52:24 AM

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In support of Stephans position:

insofar as that sort of stuff making it to the registry, and my being to lazy to repost:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_697669/mpage_12/key_unsuck/tm.htm#702728

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 11:59:29 AM

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You know, Hup, I always feel terrible immediately after posting on the registry topic. I know it's a shitty situation. The laded shotgun hanging on my wall won't be there for decor. Protecting my children ranks at the top of shit I'd kill for.

Yet registrys don't make anyone safer. It's not filling in a street wide pothole, it's putting a sign that says "BUMP" next to it. Only filling this pothole means digging it up from another section of road.

Until we're willing to overhaul our justice system to include some form of proven rehabilitation for sex offenders, sending them to jail won't be the answer (go in with a bachelor's in pedo, come out with a PhD in sexual deviation.) Painting bright red targets on their chest only means collateral damage - spraying bullets from an Uzi is bound to kill some kids who stop and gawk. Nevermind the fact that even if the parents think they deserve death, they still didn't kill anyone. Pile on evidence that there's genetic predispositions and social triggers towards these desires, and we start addressing some heavy issues.

Oh yeah, that's right. Toss them dirty fuckers in the desert in New Mexico and fix em up Gangasta style's a lot easier than fixing the broken wheel.

Bah.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 12:00:48 PM

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Stephan:

You took my op entirely the wrong way. What parent would not hound them by knowing who they are and what they are doing in the area where a child is?
Note: a child is much different than a BDSM community, and I would never go out with anyone again from this community or Church community without having an address so that I can check their back ground. How does that sound? Does that please you now?

Frankly as blunt as I am in forums, when it comes to my family, I am going to do everything I can to protect them. I may be blunt, but after living with Satan for five years, I need to warn people what is out there.

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Ron,

I wish our lifestyle had a criminal registry on it. Voyaging is probably the first offense followed by some assault and battery.

Regares, MissSCD

Do you not realize that many of the activities we consensually enjoy are, technically illegal, and as they're being committed in a sexual context, we could easily land on that list? Men, and women?

"Officer, really, I wanted him to hit me with that bullwhip!"

Doesn't matter. Consent isn't a valid defense for assault.

Sex offenders have existed for as long as sex existed. That we have the means to track them digitally through satallite and internet doesn't make us safer, it just makes us more aware of the risks we already take by living in a society.

The fact that you would 'hound' them is exactly why these registries are horrible ideas. If an offender is doomed to a lifetime of shame and condemnation, why should he bother obeying the laws?

I'm sure you could find a suitable patch of land in the middle of Wyoming or Montana where you won't have to worry about sex offenders (or anyone else) within 10 miles if you're that concerned.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 12:19:22 PM

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You can't reasonably live anywhere that isn't near children, parks, or schools.

I'm neither for nor against these registries, but I do have an opinion on how we should treat people on these registries. I think we would be far better served *helpling* people fit back into the community once that's where they end up. It isn't fair to hound them and send them off to someone else's community (somebody else's problem?), they need to live somewhere. My gut tells me that if society doesn't accept someone, then that someone is less likely to accept society. Unlike Stephen Colbert though, sometimes my gut is wrong. I look to analysts and statisticians to work out the actual numbers, and I hope we make our policy decisions taking those into account.

Now that isn't to say you should let the sex offender from down the block babysit your children, but it also doesn't mean you throw rocks and their house and call them names.

Contrary to popular belief, we live in *much* safer times now than in the past. We hear more about the more heinous crimes, but that's more of a communication and media issue than anything else.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 12:23:39 PM

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Your emotions are valid. It's your logic I'm addressing.

A sex offender released from prison after serving his time has the same right to live in a community as every other devient, misfit, and socially awkward person.

You list yourself as an expert in CBT, whips, and spanking. All of these activities fall under assault. That they would likely be done in a sexual context, makes them sexual assault. You could easily find yourself on this registry. How would you explain that to your children? Grand children? Family? Friends?

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 12:30:44 PM

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I keep that private Stephann. I am an expert in these areas. But, I do not go out stalking people for my own satisfataction. I can take it or leave it.
All, I am saying is that the sex offender does not have a right to live close to a child. Look what happened to Jessica in Florida. That is my position on it.

Thank you for your input.

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Your emotions are valid. It's your logic I'm addressing.

A sex offender released from prison after serving his time has the same right to live in a community as every other devient, misfit, and socially awkward person.

You list yourself as an expert in CBT, whips, and spanking. All of these activities fall under assault. That they would likely be done in a sexual context, makes them sexual assault. You could easily find yourself on this registry. How would you explain that to your children? Grand children? Family? Friends?

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 12:34:12 PM

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And you're dodging the issue.

I don't say this accusingly; I'm also an expert and regularly practice simlar activities, but you claim to be an expert in activities that are illegal, and could land you on the very same registry.

How do you reconcile that fact?

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 1:03:23 PM

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such registries, right now, are the only tools parents have.

Parents that are useless enough to have this list as their only tool shouldn't have kids to begin with.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 1:12:22 PM

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Do you not realize that many of the activities we consensually enjoy are, technically illegal, and as they're being committed in a sexual context, we could easily land on that list? Men, and women?

bdsm is illegal eveywhere except for maybe vegas. (well as far as usa/canada not sure about euro/uk but i doubt its illegal in the uk..its huge there)

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 1:13:01 PM

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All, I am saying is that the sex offender does not have a right to live close to a child.

I suppose you have every right to move away if a sex offender moves close to your child. There ya go, everyone is happy.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/05/bridge.sex.offenders/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Sorry, but stories such as the one in this link are a problem as well and we need to address it.

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Look what happened to Jessica in Florida.

Yep, and my friend was molested by her grandfather. Grandfathers obviously shouldn't be allowed near their grandchildren unsupervised. Several students of my high school were molested by their guidance counsellor, I guess we should restrict access there too. And teachers? Hell, don't even get me started...
Look, not every sex offender is a child molestor, and not every sex offender is going to be a repeat offender. There's a difference between taking precautions, and preventing someone from having anywhere reasonable to live.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 1:26:30 PM

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Do you not realize that many of the activities we consensually enjoy are, technically illegal, and as they're being committed in a sexual context, we could easily land on that list? Men, and women?

bdsm is illegal eveywhere except for maybe vegas. (well as far as usa/canada not sure about euro/uk but i doubt its illegal in the uk..its huge there)

Erm, BDSM isn't illegal per se, in the US, Canada, or the UK. Rather, assault is illegal. Assault is defined slightly differently in different states and countries, but the gist is that in the US and Canada, you cannot (usually) consent to being assaulted. The
UK actually had a case address this issue though, so for the time being at least, consensual S&M activities are acceptable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spanner

In the US, on the other hand, removing 'consent' as a valid defense was considered a landmark legal concept to protect victims of domestic abuse.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 1:27:13 PM

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We had this topic already:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=847419
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=1337229

I think I said lists are bad because they drive sex offenders underground. The OP denounces lynch mobs but I’m wondering why someone that doesn’t have children would look at such a list? Morbid curiosity? Like many people have said these dangers have always existed but the media didn’t always give them the publicity they get now.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 1:32:36 PM

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such registries, right now, are the only tools parents have.

Parents that are useless enough to have this list as their only tool shouldn't have kids to begin with.

Health,
al-Aswad.

cheap shot.

I have no clue what happens in your neck of the woods, but around here the police do not go door to door to inform parents of a sex offender in the neighborhood, nor does the offender wear a sign on his back.

And an fyi, Aswad...i am NOT a useless parent.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 1:37:03 PM

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thats odd....cause the stuff we do is quite serious and very harmfull (if its done wrongly)...especially if your bound on a cross or some other equipment. not to mention all the tools that can be used... it can be like something out of a movie like hostel....

i saw some ep's of i think csi or maybe law n order about bdsm...and saw 4 i think it was...had a fat ugly sociopathic dude that killed girls using bdsm tactics.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 1:42:15 PM

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There's nothing illegal about binding someone on a cross with their consent. Nothing illegal illegal about tickling a person. It's the violent acts that are illegal, and fall under the heading 'assault.' It doesn't matter if the person begs you to whip them, doing it is (usually) illegal. It doesn't matter if it's done in private, with the doors locked, or done on the street corner with her screaming "more more more!"

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 1:47:54 PM

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Say someone commits a relatively minor crime. Like they have work place sexual harrasement, like slapping a coworker's butt or making inappropriate advances. Or they commited statutory with someone close to their age. (PS- Or they commit assault which was consented to, as I can see's been brought up above.)

Do these people also show up in the registry? If so, are they marked as being relatively minor offenders?

Likewise, do people who commit more henious crimes show up as having done such? (Obviously, many of them are probably still in jail, but for those who are out for some reason or another.) ("more henious crimes" being relative to other sexual crimes.. including things like rape against a minor, kidnapping, violent rape, or even worse things).

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