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MissSCD -> National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 7:19:47 AM)

Today is the first time I actually looked at the sex offender registry in my town, and I cannot believe it.  We have one offender who has commited rape in the 1st degree and is out living with us. 
I have a sex offender that is less than .28 miles from me. 
The bottom line is that if I had children, I would scope this people out and hound them like a dog.   This is the best source of information to help keep you safe.  Please read it.   You will be shocked, but educated.
 
Regards, MissSCD



LaTigresse -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 7:26:40 AM)

Even living in rural Iowa.......it is very scary indeed. Last I looked there were about a dozen in a 20 mile radius of me.



kittinSol -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 7:28:51 AM)

I feel ambivalent about such registries. On the one hand, it's reassuring to know who the offenders are and where they live; but on the other hand... what do I do with the information? I'm not going to lynchmob these people and make myself a criminal. They've already gone to jail, and presumably are being monitored by the local constabulary.

When I looked at the local registry I freaked out a little bit: here are the names, mugshots and biodata of these people (a few are women - one slept with a sixteen year old boy, and she was twenty-one; I thought it was a bit much she figured with rapists and other violent criminals, but anyway).... I can't decide whether it's reassuring to know all this.




pahunkboy -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 7:29:49 AM)

...such comes with problems.  they are everyhwere.  more then you would thinnk.  the problem is one cant determine if it is severe or just parking.

i had printed up this for my siblings who have -- they did not want it.

there are some very very bad guys, around.  i have to wonder if being a hermit is best.



KyttynTheMynx -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 7:30:56 AM)

After watching those Dateline specials, and being face to face with a predator at one point in my life, I make it a point that I tell friends and family who are moving to new places to check the site frequently and know who your neighbors are.  Its too risky to pretend it doesnt exist, just because an area looks safe, or a realtor tells you its safe.



MissSCD -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 7:41:36 AM)

I don't believe in lynch mobs either because they criminal; however, if I had children especially small ones, I would form a group of some kind to make them aware we knew who they are and try to run them out of town.
Sorry, but this nonsence of killing our children and violence has to stop some where. 
 
Regards, MisssSCD



GreedyTop -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 7:44:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I feel ambivalent about such registries. On the one hand, it's reassuring to know who the offenders are and where they live; but on the other hand... what do I do with the information? I'm not going to lynchmob these people and make myself a criminal. They've already gone to jail, and presumably are being monitored by the local constabulary.

When I looked at the local registry I freaked out a little bit: here are the names, mugshots and biodata of these people (a few are women - one slept with a sixteen year old boy, and she was twenty-one; I thought it was a bit much she figured with rapists and other violent criminals, but anyway).... I can't decide whether it's reassuring to know all this.




I agree, KS..
Gotta wonder (especially with the younger offenders) how many of them were prosecuted because the parents decided they didn't like (for instance) the fact that their 17 yr old daughter had been having sexual contact with her 18 yr old high school boyfriend .. totally consensually. 

NOT SAYING THE REGISTRY ISNT GENERALLY A GREAT IDEA, folks, so don't flame me..LOL



DerangedUnit -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 7:45:46 AM)

yes theres a lot of people listed there and alot of them probably are bad people but there are also people that dont deserve to be labeled that way on there i have a friend that got labeled as a sex offender when his girlfriend cheated on him he broke up with her so she told the cops he raped her and he got labeled for that not to mention the jail time and community service all because a girl lied also they can put you up there for minor things like streaking and public nudity if it was around children...so say you got drunk with some buddies and went and peed in someones yard but a kid was watching from across the street runs home tells her/his parents that a man showed his wiener they call the cops and bam your now a predator... there are bad people believe me i know i was sodomized when i was 5 but that doesnt mean that all those people deserve to have there lives ruined that way. thankyou for reading this. sincerly derangedunit



Aswad -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 7:49:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I feel ambivalent about such registries.


I'm not the least bit ambivalent. They're an abomination.

quote:

On the one hand, it's reassuring to know who the offenders are and where they live; but on the other hand... what do I do with the information?


Well, to put it quite simply: there's only one purpose to it- to circumvent the presumption of innocence.

I think it would be interesting to see some statistics on sex offenses committed before and after the list was published, not to mention recidivism rates. I mean, it's a standing invitation to be lynched, and takes away a lot of the incentive for staying on the mat. Might as well go all the way by branding them criminals (Mark of Cain?) and be done with it. That would at least avoid those cases where people end up on the list by accident (getting back off, even when you can document that you're not supposed to be on it, is a long uphill battle) and the cases where lynch mobs get the address off by one digit, etc.

quote:

I'm not going to lynchmob these people and make myself a criminal.


Is that the only reason you're not going to lynch them?

quote:

When I looked at the local registry I freaked out a little bit: here are the names, mugshots and biodata of these people (a few are women - one slept with a sixteen year old boy, and she was twenty-one; I thought it was a bit much she figured with rapists and other violent criminals, but anyway).... I can't decide whether it's reassuring to know all this.


Great. So now the list has put a little bit of fear into your heart as well, compounding the original offense.

Consider for a moment that this is just breaking your illusions, not actually changing anything (I'd recommend checking out the book "Beyond Fear" by Bruce Schneier, by the way; it deals, in layman's terms, with how to think about such things). After all, 3% of Danish men have been convicted of rape by my age. Presumably, that adds up to about 8-9% being convicted in their lifetime. Which doesn't take into account those that are not convicted (it's still hard to get a conviction, since few women secure any evidence). Nor does it take into account the higher baseline crime rates in the US, or the order-of-magnitude higher recidivism rates. Or the women, for that matter.

You are not safe. You never were. You never will be.

You can deal with it by learning how to be safer, or by sticking your head in the sand; this list helps with neither.

Health,
al-Aswad.




Aileen1968 -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 7:49:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I feel ambivalent about such registries. On the one hand, it's reassuring to know who the offenders are and where they live; but on the other hand... what do I do with the information? I'm not going to lynchmob these people and make myself a criminal. They've already gone to jail, and presumably are being monitored by the local constabulary.

When I looked at the local registry I freaked out a little bit: here are the names, mugshots and biodata of these people (a few are women - one slept with a sixteen year old boy, and she was twenty-one; I thought it was a bit much she figured with rapists and other violent criminals, but anyway).... I can't decide whether it's reassuring to know all this.




I agree, KS..
Gotta wonder (especially with the younger offenders) how many of them were prosecuted because the parents decided they didn't like (for instance) the fact that their 17 yr old daughter had been having sexual contact with her 18 yr old high school boyfriend .. totally consensually. 

NOT SAYING THE REGISTRY ISNT GENERALLY A GREAT IDEA, folks, so don't flame me..LOL



People need to read the stats and see what they were arrested for.  A small age difference like that is easy to see as an injustice, but when you see a 50 year old man arrested for crimes against a 7 year old, well that falls into the sicko category. 
The site that the NJ STate Police has lists their aliases, photos, last known address and the crimes they were arrested for along with the ages of the victims. 



kittinSol -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 7:50:36 AM)

Also, as the enormous majority of sexual abuse occurs within the home, it would be counterproductive  that people became reassured the abusers are "all out there" for all to see on a registry. For example, the majority of rapists are known to their victims.



pahunkboy -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 7:53:06 AM)

Shootings are up.  Especially in LA. We are enterring a trend that will see this go more-so.

The past few years- everyone locks the door even in the day time.  just because some-one isnt on the list doesnt mmean they are pure.

the key in this type of act- is that the perp simply "takes"  -  why doesnt he take fronm men is same size?  cause he cant but would.

everyone is a piece of meat.  we are not advanced- we are animals.

why is  it many of these men are sexy?   a number of communities are dealing w these moving back. in CA some guy was laying these guys on the site.  then they made a law to stop it...lol.

some house was burned down- due to the listing too. the occupant was someone totally different- as the listed dude had moved.

yesderday i gets yet another call for the lady who lost this house to foreclosure.  i changed  my number - to one that does not go to an adresss.   does anyone know the site where i can get a phone number to a house adresss



mnottertail -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 7:54:04 AM)

General Reply:

If I ever got my hands on a couple people on this site, there would be some pretty goddamn offensive sex going on. They would be offended, I would see to it.

Ron



LadyLynx -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 8:02:31 AM)

I think for the cases where both were teens, and was 18, and other 16-17, shouldn't be on there at all, or for about a year or 2.

As for the site itself,like the rest of the internet, it is a tool.  Do I absolutely need it in order to keep my family safe? No.  Does it assist me in a small way? Yes. And like most tools, it isn't a cure, or a magical solution.  Not all perps have been caught.



MissSCD -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 8:16:57 AM)

Ron,
 
I wish our lifestyle had a criminal registry on it.   Voyaging is probably the first offense followed by some assault and battery.
 
Regares, MissSCD



joanus -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 8:22:20 AM)

There are three convicted Sex Offenders(all three convicted for Pedophila) that live in my Apatment complex, ironicly  their Apatrments either over look the Playground, or are next to it.



kittinSol -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 8:25:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

I'm not the least bit ambivalent. They're an abomination.



Especially when children figure on them. There was an article in the NYT a while back that described how some eleven year olds who had "interfered" with other children were hung up there for everyone to see, and the aftermath on their lives. Once up there, it's very difficult to be removed, even if your name is cleared (or indeed, if you were a child yourself when you committed the offense).

quote:



I think it would be interesting to see some statistics on sex offenses committed before and after the list was published, not to mention recidivism rates. I mean, it's a standing invitation to be lynched, and takes away a lot of the incentive for staying on the mat. Might as well go all the way by branding them criminals (Mark of Cain?) and be done with it. That would at least avoid those cases where people end up on the list by accident (getting back off, even when you can document that you're not supposed to be on it, is a long uphill battle) and the cases where lynch mobs get the address off by one digit, etc.



I share your thoughts as above.

quote:

ORIGINAL kittinsSol

I'm not going to lynchmob these people and make myself a criminal.



quote:



Is that the only reason you're not going to lynch them?



Of course not, Aswad - I don't believe in retributory justice, and I loathe vigilantes and the lynchmob mentality.

quote:



Great. So now the list has put a little bit of fear into your heart as well, compounding the original offense.



Well, not really. It's made me feel a little paranoid (don't forget I'm not in my "natural environment" here, and that I'm still "adapting", alien that I am), but I'm a rational individual, so I'm not going to lead my life - I'm  a mother too - with suspicion constantly in my mind. I can't talk for other people, but I would hope they'd be able to rationalise too.

quote:



You are not safe. You never were. You never will be.



"Safety" is all relative, but I'll reiterate that I shan't live as if I or my son or those that I love were constantly in danger - what would be the point of living, then :-) ?

quote:



You can deal with it by learning how to be safer, or by sticking your head in the sand; this list helps with neither.



I agree.



SugarMyChurro -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 8:29:44 AM)

No UMs here in my house, and never have been.

The vast majority of the 37 cowards nearest to me go after children under 14 - and at the moment I can't think of anyone close to me that is under 17 and unable to take care of themselves. And none of these jackasses wants to enter my house without first killing me - a living SMC kills with his hands alone. I am seriously the strongest, most vicious fighter I personally know - which is actually why I am such a pussycat now.

I'd have to say that the registry pushes the limits of what I think is fair to do to people not actually in prison. If that's not enough, then don't let them out into the public sector ever again. Maybe that's what should be done - I wouldn't argue that point at all. My concern is not official surveillance (with which I wouldn't have a problem for violent offenders) but with putting these offenders and their information on display for public consumption. That's dangerous in my view. And these offenders may also live with the others that have never harmed anyone. That mob mentality can be extremely irrational.

Of course, the prison system is so full of political prisoners that the system is entirely overwhelmed already. By "political prisoners" I mean drug offenders as the U.S. protects a drug monopoly and fills the prisons with non-violent, slave laborers that compete unfairly with union workers. There's no room for anyone else. And money trumps your bullshit safety concerns.

I just laugh.

Vote McCain! I hear he's tough on crime and terrorists.

Be afraid...always afraid...vote in fear...



lalbobbilynn -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 8:39:10 AM)

Such an interesting thread ...... many thanks for bringing it to everyones attention MissSCD!

i have a tween child as well as a very small child, so i have been aware of such sites for over a decade. Because my children travel often to visit extended family (Nanas/Papas; aunts, uncles, and cousins) in other states, i have had a lil experience with several different state sites. North Carolinas site (the city i was in) does not offer ages of the victims, nor does it explain what the leagl charges are. South Carolina is a bit different (better), and Michigan is a bit better then the preceeding two states.
Although my children are not as active as some of their cousins (only one outside activity pre season for my children), i also check out any person that has even a minimal involvement with my children. Does not matter it be baseball, guitar, karate, or even Story Hour at the local library ..... i check every person out!! Some folks feel i am a tad extreme ...... i feel i am a mother who has experienced negative situations as a child. i suppose in hinsight i can see how i appear a ummmmm, bit much ......... such as when my son had his First Communion and was also to do his first confession ........ i followed the Priest into his side of the confession and would not leave ....... i mean, really ......... what could my then eight y/o confess!!! Furthermore ....... (as i explained to the Priest) God entrusted ME with this child, and if the Priest didnt like God's choice, he could go pray on it!!!! When i look at my children ...... their friends ....... i just ...... anyway.
 ~My father is a police/fireman who has had many a heated converstaions with me about how i am under no circimstances legally allowed to bother any folks i find on such sites. i concur as things could very well be as Greed Top mentioned. Such a situation occured btwn a 17y/o boy and i (was 14), wherein my father threatened said boy with rape if he would not stop seeing me.
That aside i feel strongly that my first job as a mother is to protect my children ...... there are times i go overboard, yet when explained, i have never encountered a person who has blamed me for attempting to keep my children who they are ..... children.
Respectfully~
b.



kittinSol -> RE: National Sex Offender Registry! (3/7/2008 8:44:06 AM)

The validity and usefulness of these registries not being proven, I think much of the reason behind their existence has to do with a want to "name and shame" these people. It's valid to ask: if they are still a danger, why are they out in the open? And if they are no longer a danger, why these registries?



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