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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 4:48:48 PM

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Lord knows if there was a "Perv Registry" most people on this site would be run into the ground and then start crying how unfair it is.

With the exception of those of us who are purer than a new born dove .

Did you type that with a straight face??

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 4:54:13 PM

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 5:04:13 PM

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Stats prove that 60% repeat the offense. That, plus the fact that i have an um to protect from someone who may hurt him makes it my business.

As me and DomKen pointed out, you're not protecting your UMs.

Anyway, that figure would presumably be US statistics, so not from my neck of the woods.

Up here, we're more focused on rehabilitation than producing hardened criminals, so the recidivism rates are lower.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 5:20:05 PM

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Saying that it is ok to let the slow kids get eaten by the bear shows a disregard for them. As long as yours can run faster. In your Bear scenario, a kid gets eaten. IF your only concern is that it is a child you care less about, you have no concern for stopping it.

The solution is to shoot any bears that come into town, then no kids get eaten. Not to try to make sure there are slower kids than yours around who will get eaten first.

And you can pretend it is a party line if you like. But I do think an Adult who gets hard by scaring and hurting children is a monster. And if they act out shoot em, just like a bear atacking kids. It's a very good analogy really. It almost seems to insulting to monsters.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 5:21:24 PM

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Stats prove that 60% repeat the offense. That, plus the fact that i have an um to protect from someone who may hurt him makes it my business.

As me and DomKen pointed out, you're not protecting your UMs.

Anyway, that figure would presumably be US statistics, so not from my neck of the woods.

Up here, we're more focused on rehabilitation than producing hardened criminals, so the recidivism rates are lower.

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My last word on the subject....As a parent (and a damn good one, fellas) it is my responsibility to protect my family with whatever means i can. This includes, among other things, educating about danger when they are old enough to understand, checking recall lists, making sure his carseat is properly installed, never ever letting him out of my sight for a moment, and you bet your ass, checking the sex offender list.

I realize you do not agree. Please realize i do not care.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 6:52:51 PM

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Stats prove that 60% repeat the offense. That, plus the fact that i have an um to protect from someone who may hurt him makes it my business.

As me and DomKen pointed out, you're not protecting your UMs.

Anyway, that figure would presumably be US statistics, so not from my neck of the woods.

Up here, we're more focused on rehabilitation than producing hardened criminals, so the recidivism rates are lower.

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My last word on the subject....As a parent (and a damn good one, fellas) it is my responsibility to protect my family with whatever means i can. This includes, among other things, educating about danger when they are old enough to understand, checking recall lists, making sure his carseat is properly installed, never ever letting him out of my sight for a moment, and you bet your ass, checking the sex offender list.

I realize you do not agree. Please realize i do not care.

Again, holly, it's not that we think you don't care. It's that the information you derive from that list won't help you protect your children. It may heighten your awareness that there are predators, but how many people pose a threat who aren't on that list? And if you were to come face to face with someone you recognize from that list, what can you do? Give your children flash cards with their faces and tell them to run away?

Having this information doesn't protect you. All it can do is alarm you. Until you can demonstrate how knowing the names and addresses of every sex offender will ultimately reduce the chances of your children being endangered, it's just another system meant to scare you into handing over more control of your life.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 7:02:38 PM

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And a distraction that lowers the safety of said kids...

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 7:20:18 PM

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When I was but a domiboy at the tender age of 15 I slept with one of my teachers, Ms. Desmond. I'm not sure how we were dicovered, perhaps it was due to me continually insisting that all of my friends had to smell my fingers, but nonetheless she was arrested and tried on sexual assault charges.

It was an extremely emotional and devastating event...Forever changing the future of such a young lad. She is now on the "list."

I remember at the "sentencing" part of the hearing that I, as the victim, was allowed to speak to the court as well as my attacker. I spoke candidly about my ordeal and how she stole my innocence and disrupted a young boys life. I then recall throwing myself onto the ground in front of the judge and begging for her immediate release. If my memory serves me correctly I cried like a little girl...Said for the bailiff to take my sister in her stead....I swore, puked and then fainted.

I miss you Ms. Desmond....But then again your first is always kinda special.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 7:46:36 PM

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Stephann:

I do not know who you are, but I am going to put it to you like this. I believe the way I do, and you have a right to believe the way you choose.
I am not going to block you either. For the sake the this post, let's just agree to disagree on this one.

Nice chating with you, and I wish you a wonderful life.

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And you're dodging the issue.

I don't say this accusingly; I'm also an expert and regularly practice simlar activities, but you claim to be an expert in activities that are illegal, and could land you on the very same registry.

How do you reconcile that fact?

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 9:45:03 PM

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Anybody happen to watch 20/20 tonight? While not a situation I would call ideal it is one where a young couple married and are raising their kids together. What societal good is served by preventing this young man from picking his kids up from day care? Why does he need to be on a public list that can affect his employment etc.? Who is protected by being able to look up this guy's present home and work addresses?

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 10:34:30 PM

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Yeah, I caught that after watching my weekly dose of House on a different channel.

I think it merits a different thread.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/7/2008 11:33:09 PM

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The validity and usefulness of these registries not being proven, I think much of the reason behind their existence has to do with a want to "name and shame" these people. It's valid to ask: if they are still a danger, why are they out in the open? And if they are no longer a danger, why these registries?

I know the registry in New Jersey was begun as a part of a response to a crime - a little girl was killed by her neighbor, who was a sex offender, but no one in the neighborhood knew it at the time. Knowledge is, sometimes, power, if used properly. I want to know whether someone in my neighborhood is a registered sex offender. I want to be able to let my kids know to avoid him - not to make them scared, but caution is necessary. I know these registeries aren't perfect, but I do appreciate having the information at my disposal to keep my kids safer.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/8/2008 2:12:02 AM

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what a thread!

i check the list every few months. it showed me that the dude that moved in across the road and 4 doors down that gave me the creeps when i saw him was freshly out of prison and on probation of aggravated child molestation. i am glad the list was there for me to find that out. will i ever use that info? probably not. but my kid is grown now and could whup mr child molestors ass if he got the notion.

i met a feller a couple years ago on line. he lived about 4 miles from me and we had bfast after chatting a while. he seemed nice, was a big burley biker type that made me get weak kneed and the likes. we spent a good bit of time at his house, i met his grown daughter and his 2 grandkids. but the voices in my head kept bugging me.

it just so happened i checked the sex offender registry after checking out the 2 punks that murdered my aunt, after hearing one of them had been moved to a different prison. scrolling down the list, i was amazed when i saw the current object of my lust on the list, convicted of aggravated child molestation. then some conversations we had had came to me, and it all made sense. the creepy feeling i got when around him and his grown daughter was my inner voices telling me to run like hell. i just quit answering his calls and eventually he went away. he has now moved far away from me, and is still at it on yahoo and myspace.

now i could say that my voices in my head work fine and i dont need the list. both of these men gave me the creeps in some way, and thank goodness i never did the nasty with the second one. but im glad that list is available as a tool to use.

a bus stop was moved when my son was still small, when it was discovered that it was right in front of a child molestors home. no one ran to lynch the man, but they did keep an eye on him and he was aware they knew he was there.

i dont think child molestors are ever cured of that affliction. after discovering my kinky side, i wondered why they couldnt just find someone who was legal and do daddy/daughter play. i never knew such things existed until discovering my submissive side. but i think thos who can not control them selves and make it all about activities between consenting adults are horrible human beings, and if we cant lock them up forever and ever, i damn sure wanna know if theyre living down the street from me.

im truely amazed at the folks that responded so negatively about the sex offender registry. i guess it shows we all do see things in our own ways, and thank goodness we are free to do just that.

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RE: National Sex Offender Registry! - 3/8/2008 6:51:07 AM

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Say someone commits a relatively minor crime. Like they have work place sexual harrasement, like slapping a coworker's butt or making inappropriate advances. Or they commited statutory with someone close to their age. (PS- Or they commit assault which was consented to, as I can see's been brought up above.)

Do these people also show up in the registry? If so, are they marked as being relatively minor offenders?

Likewise, do people who commit more henious crimes show up as having done such? (Obviously, many of them are probably still in jail, but for those who are out for some reason or another.) ("more henious crimes" being relative to other sexual crimes.. including things like rape against a minor, kidnapping, violent rape, or even worse things).

Different states have different laws and statutes regarding listing sex offenders. Here in MN, there are three levels of sex offender based on an assessment at the time of release of their likelihood to reoffend. The form any notification takes and who is notified depends on the level. Only the Level 3 - High Risk folks go on the registry. An 18 year old convicted of statutory rape for boffing his 14 year old girlfriend is not going to go on the registry here.

I looked around a bit. In a number of states registration appears to depend on the crime you were convicted of. I would imagine that it is in some of these states that the 18 year old convicted of statutory rape for boffing his 14 year old girlfriend has gone on the registry.

If there has to be a registry, I prefer the way MN does it. Real life public defenders are rarely like those one sees on tv crime shows. In the court system, what you're convicted of is often more a matter of whether you could afford to hire a lawyer than it is about what you actually did. That makes the information on the registry of questionable value, I would think.

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