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RE: "Men who do housework may get more sex" - 3/9/2008 11:57:08 AM   
mnottertail


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A question. of course, arises.... is the boy getting any pussy?

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RE: "Men who do housework may get more sex" - 3/9/2008 12:46:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: came4U
Men shouldn't do housework period..only a gay man does housework.


Very enlightened.

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RE: "Men who do housework may get more sex" - 3/9/2008 1:07:51 PM   
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Here's a counterpoint to the article's introduction.  The author criticizes men for not "pulling their weight" at home.  However, I don't think many people would seriously dispute that men, in general, work harder jobs, longer hours, and much more overtime.  Further, men work these extra hours in jobs that afford them less personal freedom in terms of their lives outside work, and men also fill the great majority of jobs that involve the risk of death or serious personal injury.   Unless this greater share of breadwinning responsibility is accounted for (and from the article's tone, it doesn't seem like it was), then we're left with a distorted view of who is "pulling their weight," and how.

It seems only fair for men to expect some measure of trade-off to account for their extra contributions outside the home in the workplace.  To look at how house chores are distributed without accounting for how work hours are alloted undervalues men's contributions to the household.  In addition, it may leave men in a position to unfairly bear most of the burden in a family-- they work more hours at inflexible and in some cases dangerous jobs, only to come home and have to make an "equal" contribution to the housework.  In my own relationship, my field of work requires 60-70 hour weeks doing onerous (but not dangerous) work, while my girlfriend's field allows her overwhelmingly greater flexibility in her work, and far fewer hours.  Both of us acknowledge that splitting the housework 50-50 is hardly "enlightened," given that difference.

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RE: "Men who do housework may get more sex" - 3/9/2008 1:13:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: came4U

Men shouldn't do housework period..only a gay man does housework.  It is a woman's job. Besides, I wouldn't want a man disorganizing my system of cleaning.

My son does no chores.  The way it should be. If I asked him to take out the garbage he would look at me like I was an alien.


That's pretty much the system I grew up under; I think it's tradiational in much of American culture.  It's sad, but I used to have to call my slave for tips on how to do lunadry when I went to college (different universities, I'm afraid!).  Not that it was rocket science, but I didn't know when I should use cold, warm, or hot water.. if near-white clothes should go in with the colored ones or the whites.. when I should use something other than "normal" (such as "perm press" and "fragile").

In my house after college, it'll be the same way.  I hate to clean, but my slave loves to (she's rather OCD about it).

I see it as less of a universal truth and more of a lifestyle choice.  What I'm going to do with the kids, though, will be a tough decision.  In one way, having them clean equally will be more equality 'n such.  Having the girls do more of the inside work and the boys doing more of the outside work, though, is what I've always been more comfortable with personally; is that because it's what I'm used to, because it's biologically favorable, or both?  (Well, it's almost certainly both, but how much of each is it?)

Then again, that's assuming I'll have both boys and girls.  And I'm really not planning on more than two kids, so I have about a 50% chance, tops, of having a combination of the two genders.. so it may end up being a moot point.

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RE: "Men who do housework may get more sex" - 3/9/2008 5:05:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Passion357

Greetings, All,

Orion, Ron, Smith...

I could not stop laughing and I KNOW you guys are serious... Err not surprising to find you on a "men who clean more get more sex" thread.

As for me.. I try to make it known when I see Master in the kitchen cooking or cleaning, or maybe vacuuming the den, or wiping down a mirror..how HOTT HOT HOTTT I think it is. So.. when I have been a good girl just maybe he will do something along these lines to cause that glazed over look in my eyes that he knows will happen.

Or.. he could just come home covered in grease from work, throw me in the floor and have his way.....

Well Wishes,
~Passion~



I'm with Orion on this one. I don't do "housework" to get sex, even when I am in a relationship. I lived alone for quite awhile and my place was pretty spotless. The only sex I got in those instances was with Rosy Palmer and her five sisters, and they could give a rat's ass about the state of my place.

I clean two ways: first, by not making a huge fucking mess to begin with. I clean as I go and I take care not  to fuck it up. B) the semi-regular gloss-over cleaning. That's all that's left to do when you follow method one. I clean my dishes immediately after I've cooked for myself, I do my laundry when I need to and I fold it the way I fold it because it's how I like it done. If you add a girl in this equation, she's got her stuff to clean, I've got mine. In a relationship setting, however, she gets the common areas as well, as that's my tradional view of how it should be. However, even in this instance, when she cleans those common areas, she's really only picking up after herself, because of my aforementioned cleaning methods. I'm by far not a slob. I'm no neat freak (some would argue this) but I'm not a slob.

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RE: "Men who do housework may get more sex" - 3/9/2008 5:07:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: zerosignal

Here's a counterpoint to the article's introduction.  The author criticizes men for not "pulling their weight" at home.  However, I don't think many people would seriously dispute that men, in general, work harder jobs, longer hours, and much more overtime.  Further, men work these extra hours in jobs that afford them less personal freedom in terms of their lives outside work, and men also fill the great majority of jobs that involve the risk of death or serious personal injury.   Unless this greater share of breadwinning responsibility is accounted for (and from the article's tone, it doesn't seem like it was), then we're left with a distorted view of who is "pulling their weight," and how.

It seems only fair for men to expect some measure of trade-off to account for their extra contributions outside the home in the workplace.  To look at how house chores are distributed without accounting for how work hours are alloted undervalues men's contributions to the household.  In addition, it may leave men in a position to unfairly bear most of the burden in a family-- they work more hours at inflexible and in some cases dangerous jobs, only to come home and have to make an "equal" contribution to the housework.  In my own relationship, my field of work requires 60-70 hour weeks doing onerous (but not dangerous) work, while my girlfriend's field allows her overwhelmingly greater flexibility in her work, and far fewer hours.  Both of us acknowledge that splitting the housework 50-50 is hardly "enlightened," given that difference.




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RE: "Men who do housework may get more sex" - 3/9/2008 5:40:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: zerosignal

Here's a counterpoint to the article's introduction. The author criticizes men for not "pulling their weight" at home. However, I don't think many people would seriously dispute that men, in general, work harder jobs, longer hours, and much more overtime. Further, men work these extra hours in jobs that afford them less personal freedom in terms of their lives outside work, and men also fill the great majority of jobs that involve the risk of death or serious personal injury. Unless this greater share of breadwinning responsibility is accounted for (and from the article's tone, it doesn't seem like it was), then we're left with a distorted view of who is "pulling their weight," and how.

It seems only fair for men to expect some measure of trade-off to account for their extra contributions outside the home in the workplace. To look at how house chores are distributed without accounting for how work hours are alloted undervalues men's contributions to the household. In addition, it may leave men in a position to unfairly bear most of the burden in a family-- they work more hours at inflexible and in some cases dangerous jobs, only to come home and have to make an "equal" contribution to the housework. In my own relationship, my field of work requires 60-70 hour weeks doing onerous (but not dangerous) work, while my girlfriend's field allows her overwhelmingly greater flexibility in her work, and far fewer hours. Both of us acknowledge that splitting the housework 50-50 is hardly "enlightened," given that difference.


In support of this, men and women, on average, actually do the same amount of total work in most western nations:
http://www.nber.org/papers/w13000


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RE: "Men who do housework may get more sex" - 3/10/2008 9:21:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Griswold

I was going to brag, but after I'd come out of the hospital (a friend of mine and his wife were having a horrible time in their marriage...it seems he was a tad on the small side....so I had a doctor surgically give him half of mine...and...) still recovering somewhat, I was going by one of my favorite fishing streams, and lo and behold....I saw the BIGGEST damned trout I EVER saw!!!!

So anyway...still a little woozy from all the meds....I turned down my car stereo, which was already rattling car windows 3 blocks away (didn't want to scare the sucker away now...), found a safe place to park my 2008 Lamborghini, straddled over to the riverbed and reached right in and grabbed that motherfucker with my bare hands.

163 damn pounds it was....put up a hell of a fight too.


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I told you that story in confidence....now you plagiarize it and claim it as your own....
I will admit it sounds much more believable when you tell it...I can never keep a straight face.
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