Real0ne
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Ok thats what I thought, so lets jump ahead several million years in time.
We can now calculate everything in the brain.
The left/right case is still a stumbling block for hard determinism.
In order to make the sweeping statement that its hard determinism you have to be able to make it work. (the observed action and result must be predictable and repeatable)
Determinism in this case does not have to be taken to a micro level to fail. The dice example, chaos, and quantum (insert discipline/flavor here), are not good examples because they do not deal with a compatable action set.
All it takes to upset "hard" determinism is an equality in options.
Remember hard determinism can only work or be applied if some previous cause effect has lead to the present cause and effect which can now predict the next cause and effect so a mathematical algorythm can be produced to "calculate" and predict the upcoming event keeping in mind we are now several million years in the future and there are no secrets to how the brain operates anymore.
Now while we can use determinism to up to the point of predicting the person will look left or right we cant predict, (determine), which way he will look first as he can look either way first to obtain the same end. Someone in the uk can safely cross the street in america as easily as we can there and we do not have to change our habits in which way we look first. Habits is a different nonmaterial method of determining the same problem. Even with that you might choose to look the opposite way first "just to do it differently".
Science is deterministic because we can set up math sets and equations and use them to predict, determine), the outcome of an event with the use of a variable set, and that is what would be required to apply determinism to this problem. Thats why creating a stock market auto trading program is so difficult.
So at best you can only apply soft determinism because hard determinism falls apart anytime you have equal choices to achieve the same end. I can certainly call this condition a void but I cant attribute it to some god force.
Hard determinism only works if there are no exactly equal choices to achieve the same end so yeh I would agree to the extent of soft determinism.
This void is one of many places where free will resides. the funny thing about free will is that is can change events through either reason or irrational thought. Reason being predictable and leaning toward more deterministic ends and irrational not so predictable if at all like the case of equals.
As for the mind control......its alive and well. In fact it works superbly. Its nothing new and took off big time with frued, barnay in the ww2 era. Its so refined that people double-speak and double-think on the greater majority of issues. Hell ask anyone in america if they are free. Hell yeh! I'm free man!!! They told me so!!
The reality of course is that we do pay land and building taxes in america, (unconstitutionally), and at the threat of financial destruction, the government does have an interest in your property or they could not do that. Hence the governemnt is LANDLORD of all property under its jurisdiction and we are only RENTERS, just like the serfs.
When you buy your gun you pay a one time sales and or excise tax which is fine but you do not pay it "every year" or annually as you do when you rent something and people simply cannot discern the diffference....now thats mind control!!! In fact most americans have been trained to want to pay the kings taxes now days! They cant even imagine it any other way!!! LMFAO!
They are even getting around the allodial clauses in "state" constitutions some how which I have yet to come up with enough time to investigate. So we are not by a long shot free but living under FEUDAL TENURE! Yet ask anyone if we are free....
We are no different than the serfs living under the king. We are told we are free and the typical unthinking dumb ass american believes it and shouts it out proudly and wouldnt have it any other way.
The well to do who do understand the system of rape would rather pay the extortionist government than deal with it. Everyone else is either to programed, ignorant, complacent, disenfranchised little moo moo's they see it as hopeless so why bothger trying and they simply dont care.
Mass mind control at its finest since we are all blind to it and those who are not blind to it wont do anything about it anyway. (america the hostages) If I were living somewhere else, anywhere in a REAL republic I would be laughing my ass off frankly! I would be surprised if even you woiuld argue that property taxation is "lawfully" as in constitutionally "different" than fuedal tenure.
< Message edited by Real0ne -- 3/22/2008 11:25:13 AM >
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