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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/9/2008 9:34:29 PM   
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Slaveboy, it's obvious that I'm deliberately being unreasonnable. I know that all of society's ills cannot entirely be attributed to Bushie, but what fun it is to do so! What better scapegoat is there around? This is a liberating thread. I held back quite a bit, but I'm not going to be super dupa fair to the Administration.

I'm sure you'll understand  .


Fair enough, Kittin. 

My frustration with the Bush administration is more personal.  I voted for the SOB the first time, and I was with him all the way the day after September 11th, 2001.  He had an extraordinary opportunity to unite all of us.  He could have asked us all to sacrifice and do something truly historic and glorious.  But, he fumbled the damn ball.  He allowed a gang of idealistic neo-cons to take over, and refused to listen to anyone else.  He turned a bad situation into a total clusterfuck.

I am glad it's almost over, but I am not optimistic about the future.  The last three candidates standing will not change a damn thing.  It's not going to change.  We're not leaving Iraq.  The economy is going in the shitter, and things are going to suck for quite awhile.   

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/9/2008 11:23:48 PM   
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Thank goddess we are almost free from this fool. Lets hope the Chinese, Korean, and Japanese don't team up to try to shut up the middle east and U.S.A. Please goddess let the next president fix all bush's problems and make the world love us again.


The only time "the world loves" the U.S. is when we're giving them money/immigration or something else.

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/9/2008 11:40:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

I voted for the SOB the first time, and I was with him all the way the day after September 11th, 2001.  He had an extraordinary opportunity to unite all of us.  He could have asked us all to sacrifice and do something truly historic and glorious.  But, he fumbled the damn ball.  He allowed a gang of idealistic neo-cons to take over, and refused to listen to anyone else.  He turned a bad situation into a total clusterfuck.



You need to read more.

Bush and his cronies planned to invade Iraq prior to his ever being elected.

9/11 just gave him an excuse. 

Search terms:  PNAC, Project for a New American Century, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld



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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 2:55:31 AM   
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song parody (Jimi Hendrix 'All Along The Watchtower')

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There must be some kind of way out of here
Said Ron Paul to a guy called McCain
There's too much confusion
Our nation is feeling so much pain
Our dollar ain't really worth a dime
Problems with oil in Iraq
The Bush administration is out of its mind
But to win credibility back?

No reason to get excited
Ron Paul he kindly spoke
There are millions of Americans
Who think Republican is such a joke
But you and I we both know this
And whatever becomes our fate
So let us deal with this Obama guy
Before it gets too late

Well all right through America
Americans listened to different views
While Obama, Clinton and Mccain came and went
The poor Americans didn't know what to do
Well outside in the rest of the world
Americans will have to live it down
That twice for US President
They chose Bush the Texan clown

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 4:37:25 AM   
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What do I have to say about the end of the Bush years?

Thank goodness they are almost over!

 
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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 3:07:17 PM   
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You need to read more.

Bush and his cronies planned to invade Iraq prior to his ever being elected.

9/11 just gave him an excuse. 

Search terms:  PNAC, Project for a New American Century, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld


You need to question what you read more instead of accepting it in lock-step like the gospel truth..  Yeah, they talked about it and drew up plans.  But that kind of thing goes on in every administration.  Military scenarios are drawn up all the time.  I hate to break this to you, but writing something down does not make it a fact. 

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 3:26:27 PM   
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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 3:53:43 PM   
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For those saying the next president will not change anything:
Bull. No, they won't immediately fix the economy and our standing amongst other countries and everything else wrong with our society, but they will start the ball rolling. Of course it's going to be awhile before everything is better again, but that doesn't mean this next election isn't important, or that the winner will not start the long road to recovery.

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 4:05:12 PM   
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They won't Kara. They will suck us dry until we are,,,,,,dry.

It is no longer a matter of what is going to happen, I already know that. The only thing is WHEN it is going to happen.

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 7:16:56 PM   
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One tiny bright spot in the whole Bush shit: the "War on Terror" deflected his plans for starting a new witch hunt: this one aimed squarely at us, the alt-sex crowd. I don't know if many of you remember the hints of what was about to happen with Ashcroft pre-9/11, but we were all in their sights as surely as an old lawyer was in Cheaney's.

Let's see... Bush's greatest hits... the fuckups that are attributable directly to him:

1. Bush announces his policies for an "ownership society." The lending industry responds by making home loans available to more Americans who couldn't afford them. Result: the sub-prime crisis. Economic disaster.

2. Responding to pressure from the fanatical religious right, Bush bans all research into stem cells. The leading scientists of this line of inquiry immediately move overseas to continue their lifes work... in europe and in Japan. Result: all major breakthroughs in this medical boon belong to other countries... America falls behind.

3. Bush's tax cuts/rebate: they eliminate the budget surplus created under the Clinton years, and plunges the US into massive deficit spending. All of the taxes favor the upper 2% of income earners. Thus, the bag is being left to the middle class, who will be paying back their average $325 rebate for the next three decades, probably beyond their retirement ages.

4. Iran.
    a. wrong country
    b. lied about yellowcake uranium
    c. ignored the recommendations about troop strength needed for the occupation. Also used Powell to lie to the UN. Stood up before the UN, and said "Fuck you!"
    d. "mission accomplished"
    e. Four years later, the troops STILL don't have body armor, or armored vehicles.
    f. stop gap deployments, running our troops ragged.
    g. cutting the funding for medical care for returning wounded
    h. no bid contract for Haliburton
    i. Halliburton "mislays" 12 billion dollars.
    j. 5,000 American dead, 60,000 Iraqi civilians dead. (est.)
    k. the whole debacle is financed by loand from China and Japan. 338 billion so far, with us spending an average of 12 billion a month.

5. Bush places Brown, a man totally unqualified for running such an office, in charge of FEMA. Katrina happens. No response from the federal government for two weeks. Hundreds die from exposure that didn't have to. "You're doing a great job, Brownie."

6. The PATRIOT ACT (1&2) and the PROTECT AMERICA ACT. Basically an emergency expansion of powers, we are told that the wiretapping, illegal searches and extraordinary renditions will only be temporary. Now, realizing that this could come back to haunt him after office, Bush is pushing for immunity of the telecoms, and by extension, himself.

7. America as a torture state. People have been kidnapped off the street, flown to other countries and tortured. We may never know how many. Waterboarding happens. People discuss if this is torture or not. They ignore the other forms of torture displayed in the Abu Ghraib photos. (Photos, that those involved in their release, say are the mild stuff.) No one seems to give a shit, they think it's all just terror suspects.

8. Gitmo. Bushs personal torture Disneyland. Suspension of the Constitutional right of hebeas corpus. Six years on, and these "enemy combatants" have not received legal representation, tribunals, or even charges against them. All in total defiance of the US Constitution.

9. "Let's teach both, and let the students decide." KS tries to handicap children by teaching "intelligent design" in science classes. Bush supports the idea despite it's obvious fallacy. As a result, the religious right nutcases are STILL wasting time and money by trying to introduce it into other rural, backward states.

10. Early on, Bush links international aid to abstinence. No emergency medical funding for the 3rd world nations who dare to give their female patients choice. No abortion, no family planning, no pre or post natal care for millions.

11. Bush ignores Darfur.

12. Bush ignores global warming, insists that we all call it "Natural Climate Change" Later backs off a bit and says, "Climate Change." Refuses to be part of the Kyoto Accords.

13. Despite an obvious mandate from the people, Bush ignores their will and pushes for a surge in troop levels. Yes, it may have worked temporarily, but there are already signs that the surge is beginning to fail. Violence in Iraq is now creeping up to pre-surge levels. Today (3/10/08) is reported to be one of the most deadly days for our troops since before the "war" was declared over.

14. Bush doubles the national debt. Between the loans from overseas to fund his "hobby war" and the tax cuts that hobble the cash flow, America is now $9.3 TRILLION dollars in debt. ($9,300,000,000,000.00) It's easier to write in scientific notation. In debt. Now and forever and ever, amen.





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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 9:19:07 PM   
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As I see it, Bush was not a reformer. However, Bush was able to keep US economy (almost) alive during his presidency.  Corporate president Bill Clinton did put a strong foundation to the  financial deregulation, wild stock market speculation, remote labor system (so called "free trade") and his presidency ended with recession (have we forgot about that?). Bush tax cuts, creating easy credit and borrowing made things look reasonably good but the economy has been in mild recession since year 2000. Tax cuts had actually positive effect on economy as government tax revenue increased significantly. The problem has been too much spending.  The new president (hopefully not Billary) has to take leadership in rebuilding economy fundamentals that have been lost to speculation and just running money around.. Greenspan model of manipulating financial markets has obviously no future benefit.

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 9:28:21 PM   
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I gotta say, there's enough short-sighted smug self-righteousness floating around here to sink a battleship.

Bush did some good things, Bush did some bad things.  In fifty years, you may start to be able to see the things he did or didn't do in a better context.

All I can say is ... thank goodness we elected Bush and not Kerry.

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 10:08:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Now here's one. Sounds radical on the surface, but if you just think about it for a bit it seems different. I don't care if you are a republican, support Bush, all that, this is a different issue. First of all it is very unlikely that we will have a repubican President next yesr.

Now in my opinion, the next administration should be looking at all the books about the dealings with Haliburton and a few other companies. I would like to see the shit really hit the fan about this. I think a few people belong in jail, but the right ones will never be put there.

This is way beyond Halderman, Eirlicman, Richard and Dean. They raped this country, and in my not so humble opinion, the whole Bush family should be sent to Siberia.

Did good in the Bush years ? well that is over. Oh, you are still friends with them, well that is fine, but each dollar they pay you to be their friend isn't worth a dime.

I was always the republican type, would vote for them and everything, but if that is what that party is putting out, forget it. Done. Over. How many more words do you need ? How many more deaths do you need ?

I would love to find a really good republican, but nobody in the Bush family should be allowed to be even a dog catcher or a manager of a McDonald's.

But if I was asked on a go-nogo basis if I was democrat or republican, I would have to say republican. But the Bushes are not republican. Not at all. The only way to describe them is Bushicans.



Be serious.  Indict the 'entire Bush family'?  Oldsters, youngsters, babies, doesn't matter to you!  You'd make an excellent Bolshevik.  Remember what they did to the Romanovs.  Massacred them all, down to the women and children.

And you ask us to take you seriously.

Perhaps you'd like to pull the trigger to kill the babies???

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 10:12:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Let's see... Bush's greatest hits... the fuckups that are attributable directly to him:

2. Responding to pressure from the fanatical religious right, Bush bans all research into stem cells. The leading scientists of this line of inquiry immediately move overseas to continue their lifes work... in europe and in Japan. Result: all major breakthroughs in this medical boon belong to other countries... America falls behind.



Right off the bat, I see you are either not serious, ill-informed, or spreading deliberate falsehoods.

Bush was the first president ever to allocate money for stem cell research.  He opposes embryonic stem cell research, as do I. 

He supports adult stem cell research.

Perhaps you could learn about an issue before you muck it up.

(BTW, embryonic stem cells therapy has a nasty little side effect, called cancer.  Yep, ESC can lead to cancer.  OTOH, adult stem cell therapy is being used RIGHT THIS MINUTE.  Look up 'stem cell transplants'.  Yup, that uses adult stem cells.)

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 10:16:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KaraLady

For those saying the next president will not change anything:
Bull. No, they won't immediately fix the economy and our standing amongst other countries and everything else wrong with our society, but they will start the ball rolling. Of course it's going to be awhile before everything is better again, but that doesn't mean this next election isn't important, or that the winner will not start the long road to recovery.



Ha ha ha!  Think about who the largest campaign contributors are to both parties?  Business.  Things will be no different under any new president.  They are all beholden to business. 

(pause)  now let's all go back to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic...

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 10:21:40 PM   
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My frustration with the Bush administration is more personal.  I voted for the SOB the first time, and I was with him all the way the day after September 11th, 2001.  He had an extraordinary opportunity to unite all of us.  He could have asked us all to sacrifice and do something truly historic and glorious.  But, he fumbled the damn ball.  He allowed a gang of idealistic neo-cons to take over, and refused to listen to anyone else.  He turned a bad situation into a total clusterfuck.

I am glad it's almost over, but I am not optimistic about the future.  The last three candidates standing will not change a damn thing.  It's not going to change.  We're not leaving Iraq.  The economy is going in the shitter, and things are going to suck for quite awhile.   


What you you have him do?  If you remember, we were coming out of the Clinton recession.  Bush suggested we 'shop'.  Sounds peculiar until you realize it's the consumer who drives the economy. 

What he should have though of (though perhaps it wasn't as obvious in the stress of those days), was to take the country to self-sufficiency in energy.  There are many great ideas out there (methanol, nuclear, photovoltaic, solar towers, turbines at 10,000 feet) but it takes leadership.

I'm sure the Saudis would be furious at us, and they may try to rattle our economy, but in the long run we would be stronger and healthier.

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 10:24:56 PM   
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Bush did some good things, Bush did some bad things.


OK, I'll bite.
 
Unless you own an oil company or are part of the military industrial complex, what good things has President Bush done?
 
I hope we have interfaced enough on here for you to realize that I mean this as a serious question, and that no "snark" is intended.  

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/10/2008 11:55:52 PM   
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Got something to say about the Bush years ?


Sure....

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/11/2008 2:33:38 AM   
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The Bush Years:Where can i begin??Alright let's start witht hte fact that Georgie was an oilman..forget a failed one,an oilman nonetheless.The price of crude was hovering around oh who remembers anyone??For arguement sake,let's say about $50 a barrel.Gas was around $1.12/gallon.And eight years later..just eight mind you,oil has risen past the 200% mark in increase and gas almost $300%.Now i would like to know whom amongst all of you have received a 300% increase in your pay???C'mon..don't crowd each other.Anyone really believe we are dependant on the Saudi's??It seems to me that they are discovering new dinoasuar bones every week.Let's see..fossils found=oil is a fossil fuel.This is where the blame comes into play for the tree huggers and the EPA.There is a ton of oil in the ground still.Unfortunately,it is an area that the tree huggers wish to protect.Oil..hell we have a lot of it..just can't get to it.And so Georgie and his merry men as promised by Georgie himself jas made everyone..or at least those CEO's and board members extremely filthy rich.And making the Saudi's even richer because although they own the oil...we refine it with our companies.Seems to me we are the ones setting the price of oil.Remember that ruse back in the early 70's that the United States indeed the world was running out of oil???Well..here we are..35 years later and the public is still buying into the fact that we need the Saudi's.Why isn't anyone that is running for office talking about oil??Because it has become a monster that no matter what we can no longer control..either that or be shot.So like little lambs,we pay the price or lose your jobs..afterall..can't go on a nationwide strike can we??I say approach the oil companies and alow them to drill in your backyard if need be..but with a catch.Gas prices plummet to to around 30 cents a gallon.Other than that there is nothing to talk about.But please don't give us this bull excuse that we are so in need of OPEC.And this is just the tip of the iceberg..how about our own government stop paying farmers not to grow crops,or produce milk or more meat???Seems to me we have one thing the rest of the world doesn't.it is called wheat!!I wonder how the world would feel if we decided to start starving everybody until the oil prices come down???Also we must enact a law to cap CEO's pay and golden parachutes.They are the sole reason why the economy is so screwed up.How can you justify giving a person that much money???Remove NAFTA from the books.Canada got along just fine without us before Nafta and Mexico too.They will get along just as well if the trade agreement is killed off.And one last thing..all american companies better come back home..or their products will be hit with tariffs the likes of which you have never witnessed.Funny how all these companies forgot who towed the line during World War2.Americans..and for their loyalty..they closed all their plants and moved them across the borders and overseas and are still charging up the ying-yang for a product.And they say the French are ungrateful bastards.

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RE: Got something to say about the Bush years ? - 3/11/2008 2:41:43 AM   
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