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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 7:04:54 AM   
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There are different types of empaths. Some are sensitive to energy, some emotion, some spirits etc. In my experience empaths tend to be less fearful and have a open heart. They generally are able to protect themselves and have a strong sense of self. Most of the time they are very good at dowsing (finding water) and sometimes can do psychometry(finding lost objects, people or the occasional axe murderer lol) I believe that every one has empathic abilities. Most people don't recognize it until they are told about it. The best example I can use here is  in the gay community it's called gaydar I guess we could call it subdar or Domdar lol.


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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 7:09:21 AM   
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The instant connection thing comes about because the other person reminds you of something. Haven’t you noticed when you formed an instant connection and talked about it much later, invariably it was because one of you reminded the other person of someone influential in the past? There is some kind of learned behavior that makes you feel a certain way when you view someone who looks like the previous important person.


That's an interesting notion... but I would hazard that there is also archetypal recognition amongst people. Using that notion, it would seem to me that one could recognise certain attitudes, movements, and so on based on a wide experience rather than being reminded of an important individual. Certainly I carry a variety of archetypal traits, which probably send out all sorts of mixed messages, some of which will be purely based on mood; and I have noticed similar things with other people.

I would be able to make a more puissant case for this had I actually trained myself to make educated guesses based on this. Maybe it's something I'll work on. Give me a week or two!

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Having said that, as people become closer, and if they are intellectually similar and both are relatively sensitive, they begin to play off of each other. One’s words and energy level will affect the other. As it happens over longer periods it becomes an emotional and even physiologic matter. When the other person comes near or speaks, the other feels it physically.

They will also respond to subtle clues because they have learned each other so well, plus if they are intellectually compatible, they will notice the same things in the environment. In addition, they KNOW the other sees the same things. That’s when one starts to say something and the other finishes the sentence.


Now... that's a mixture of things. To me it is less about sub-vocal communication or psychological connection, and more about pavlovian conditioning human predictability. I guess it's just a different view on the same phenomenon.



I think you are right, we may be saying the same thing. You are right that it doesn't have to be physical looks ringing your bell. It can be abstract things such as you described of attitude or style. My point is that we are simply recognizing someone or SOMETHING from our past that has influenced us and that provides the instantaneous attraction.

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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 7:14:05 AM   
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I think everybody has the ability to be an empath, some more natural than others. The key I feel is feeling, not thinking or at least use the two as necessary. I am one to feel before think, my thought based upon life experience, my feeling of whatever it is, perhaps some part of us largely long forgotten and dismissed as not worthy in the age of man by men who are scared of feelings.

To be empathic, one has to open their mind and not judge a person by the usual senses. I have found whatever it is that I have picked up, usually comes when I am senseless to them, or at least limited senses, perhaps they are behind me, or on the end of a computer terminal, although closing eyes and ignoring speech usually helps, perhaps detatching from a person.


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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 7:17:36 AM   
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interesting quiz

http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=201302

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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 7:21:15 AM   
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A question for the women here. Some women I make eye contact with I instantly like. I will say hello to them but not much more. I will really like them a lot but not press to do anything more than talk. Somewhere down the road I will get a suprise call from these women asking me what I think of them and if I like them. I even get gifts from them because they want to give me them. My question is what causes this reaction in them. I never led them on or promised them anything. What am I projecting.?

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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 7:21:55 AM   
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my results:

What Kind of Empath Are You?

You scored as a Artist

You are an Artist Empath, one who creates their own reality and infuses the realities of others with your energy & emotions. You are poetic and sensitive. You turn your feelings into creations and share them with the world. Everything you touch turns to song and is freed by the color of your eyes. Your spirit dances with the winds and paints delight in the evening sky. (from the "Book of Storms" by Jad Alexander at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Empaths/)

Fallen Angel 95%

Artist 95%

Universal 90%

Judge 90%

Healer 80%

Traveler 75%

Precog 60%

Shaman 50%

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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 7:32:51 AM   
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Yes, an interesting quiz, but does it tell you anything new about yourself besides that which you already knew

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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 7:45:46 AM   
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What am I projecting.?


Being chased can be scary. Keeping interaction limited, creates an air of mystery, its electric…as long as there is just enough energy flowing, to keep things moving, except for those special times, when there’s a surge … there will always be a hunger.
 
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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 7:50:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Yes, an interesting quiz, but does it tell you anything new about yourself besides that which you already knew


yes I wasn't aware of all the varieties of empaths.  New research category - lol.

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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 8:00:14 AM   
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Yes, I would be inclined to agree, Fallen Angel perhaps.

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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 8:04:56 AM   
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Empath is not the same as empathy. Empaths don't identify with others because they have had the same experiences and have gone through similar emotions from it, empaths actually feel the emotions of those around them, whether or not they have had similar experiences or not. 

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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 8:06:51 AM   
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Many people mix up empathy with intuition.  Intuition is a feeling or understanding that there is a particular occurance or emotion.  Empathy is experiencing said occurance or emotion of the person as if you were them.  Feeling or being aware that someone is upset is not empathy.  Feeling the upset is.
Lots of people claim to be empathic when they are not - just really intuitive.
 
Having someone avert their eyes at a glance, it probably manners or because of embarressment or they may be shy/coy.
 
It doesn't have to be a spiritual thing, but if it is for you - go with it.
 
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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 8:09:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

A question for the women here. Some women I make eye contact with I instantly like. I will say hello to them but not much more. I will really like them a lot but not press to do anything more than talk. Somewhere down the road I will get a suprise call from these women asking me what I think of them and if I like them. I even get gifts from them because they want to give me them. My question is what causes this reaction in them. I never led them on or promised them anything. What am I projecting.?


I honestly can't answer that one; but, then I've never met anyone who spontaniously made me want to buy them gifts or call them.  Yet, anyways.

Gotta stay positive

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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 8:09:43 AM   
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Another thing to keep in mind if someone is averting their eyes from you. It may be the very opposite of submission. They just purely do not wish to connect with you at all.

I have found that if I am in a good mood, I make eye contact with people and often speak to complete strangers "hello!" or "good morning!" etc... I feel strong and positive and want to project that out into the world.

If I am not feeling well, tired, stressed, grumpy...whatever, I close myself off. Not only to protect myself but others from my negative energy. I don't make eye contact and I don't speak much. I just withdraw, as much as I can, until I can get my batteries recharged.

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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 8:13:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BitchGoddessD

interesting quiz

http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=201302


The quiz says I'm a Shaman which would shock my elders speachless.  Its tradition only men can be Shaman.

Kind of got a kick out of it, thanks for sharing.

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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 8:14:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
If I am not feeling well, tired, stressed, grumpy...whatever, I close myself off. Not only to protect myself but others from my negative energy. I don't make eye contact and I don't speak much. I just withdraw, as much as I can, until I can get my batteries recharged.

Yes, yes, yes! LadyT!
If I am in a particularly grumpy mood, or sick like I am today (coughs for effect and sympathy) I just cannot bear looking at anyone directly because I just don't want to connect and I am not always up for deep and meaningfuls.
Even if I am in a happy - lifeisgood - mood, some people I just do not want to connect with at all.
 
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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 8:14:38 AM   
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Now, I am generally the one starting the amusing conversation with the checkout person... and so identify with this story from that side. I don't think that any casual observer in an ordinary situation like that would risk thinking me a submissive character - quite the opposite.
 
ditto.  i believe i am a confident person too and that is the impression i give to people.  submissives cannot go through life submitting to all and sundry, we'd never get anywhere in life if we did that.  to be honest, most of my confidence comes from the fact that i am wired the way i am.
 
But that is partly to do with social projection - a given set of traits being manifested to negotiate a given situation. And so, I know that I generally get friendlier service when I am calm, confident, and charming, when I make eye contact and smile quickly. I know that in the street, much the same applies: the world is a friendlier place if you approach it with bold amicability.

Add that to the facts that I read people like I do books, and that I do have... presence, I suppose, for want of anything else to call it, and you have what appears to be a dominant person.

 
i think it is in the strength of being who you are.  and as ive read all over the place, subs are, on the whole, strong people.  because we choose to submit that strength to one person does not make us push overs in our public lives.  i know that all sorts of people in positions of authority and power find release through submission.


Now put me in a situation where I have no clue what I am doing, and, unless I am feeling energetic and intellectually engaged, it's quite possible that I will become hesitant, needy, or obtuse. Quite a difference.

And so what am I saying? well I'm not quite sure. I'm certainly not suggesting the "don't judge a book by it's cover" adage, but I'm trying to draw contextual considerations into your thoughts. I hope that you do not mind.

 
not atall, i dont mind one bit

there are times when having to make a decision or be proactive about something is anathama to me.  i flap about in a completely useless fashion and get nothing done as a result.  but, i am a podiatrist with a private practice, a single parent runing a home and all that that implies.  i 'spose, when im flying about looking effective i give people the impression of being in control.  i rarely am, but i take your point, we project out different persona's in different situations to different people all of the time.  mostly because we have to.


And what am I? goodness knows - I certainly dare not claim that I do. From experience, I would say that it all depends on who the observer is what they want or are trained to see in me. Some see a switch, others a naturally gifted dominant, others a a 'fluffy dom', others a submissive with an inflated ego. I could introduce you to four people who know me reasonably well, and each would give you a different one of those based on their experience of me and their experience of other people
 
because, and this is just a thought, as Doms and subs we are tuned in intuitively to the needs of others.  if youre with a person who needs support and guidance and they turn to you, you give it.  if youre with someone who likes to take the lead, choose the venue, then you let them.

noone is just one uniform person to everyone - we have personas to fit all possiblities.

i do realise that this man at the checkout could have been anything to anyone at any given time.  but his energy was fascinating to me and as a sub i felt drawn to him.  not meaning i wanted him to jump me or anything, just he had that quiet confidence that exudes dommliness.  ill never know of course.  but i do believe there is a bdsmdar, like there is, as mentioned here a gaydar.



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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 8:14:53 AM   
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*showers sympathy on the.dark*
poor baby
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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 8:17:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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Another thing to keep in mind if someone is averting their eyes from you. It may be the very opposite of submission. They just purely do not wish to connect with you at all.

I have found that if I am in a good mood, I make eye contact with people and often speak to complete strangers "hello!" or "good morning!" etc... I feel strong and positive and want to project that out into the world.

If I am not feeling well, tired, stressed, grumpy...whatever, I close myself off. Not only to protect myself but others from my negative energy. I don't make eye contact and I don't speak much. I just withdraw, as much as I can, until I can get my batteries recharged.


This is so true.  Many people mistake me as shy because my eyes are generally downcast in conversation but I think most people forget or don't realize because I do speak well that I am reliant on lip reading.  There are not many out there who know MY language so I have had to learn theirs.

I honestly don't pay much attention to the direction anyone's eyes are in because I often find it very misleading.

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RE: Empaths and Instant Reecognition - 3/11/2008 8:18:07 AM   
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Exactly. I am very choosy at times and my choices confuse people that know me. I may be more open with a homeless person than a friend's aquaintance I've just met. I don't spend alot of time analysing the why's, I've just always accepted my quirkiness as part of me.

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