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ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd
But hate speech is dangerous.... Before Equal rights were givien to the Blacks.. people were lynched for being in the "wrong towns" or looking at thier white women the wrong way" or "being too uppity" They had created second class citizens through hate speech. With Demonizing any minority or group.... you make them less human. Those people in society who are apt to violence and hatered are going to run with it and do what they can to "subdue and hurt" the members of society that have been disenfranchized.
No it is not dangerous. Discussion or the exchange of ideas are only dangerous to those that govern. Not sure why you throw a red herring of pre-civil rights, as I don't follow how it relates.
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The Germans were told for years the Jews, Rom and Gays were inferor, dirty, and beneath contempt. It made thier capture, torture and eventual mass murder much easier going because of the Hate speech that changed peoples minds from the begining. Only when it was over did the ones who went along with it and bought into the hate come to slowly realize just how wrong it was.
That speech is protected unless you incite action that damages the public or persuades to commit a criminal act. How are you not getting that? It is the actions that are criminal and must be controlled, not the thought or speech.
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Hate crimes against gays were down for a while.. but when Prez Bush came in, and the Radical Religous Right made being gay a shameful dirty thing to be again Crimes against gays and murders have gone up. So has gay suicudes.
And there will always be idiots. If you could push a button that brainwashed everone in the world to not hate gays, would you do it? Think about that for a moment before you answer with emotion.
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There is a cause and effect between hate speech and the eventual violence in a society. Again History has proven it's lessons. If some one had stopped hitlers on going rants about the dirty Jews.. if some one had enough balls to stand up to him when he was a small fry.... who knows?
Yeah the cause is that we are humans, and the effect is that no matter what we will always find lines to draw, so that there can be an us and them. If not then all that is left is a collective, hive type mind, with everyone thinking the same thing.
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We had a thread recently about the new rise in Hate crimes http://www.collarchat.com/m_1668419/mpage_1/key_glbt/tm.htm#1668826
Please feel free to read it.
Why read it when I do not believe in "hate" crimes. It is bullshit and people should be convicted upon actions, not upon thoughts or beliefs. Sorry but I tend to believe along the lines of the Founding Fathers of the US, not Stalin.
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If you do not stand up to the Petty Tyrant when they are preaching on the street corner, they get elected. If you do not stand up to the elected Tyrant then thier ideas become vaild. If thier ideas become valid it then takes armies of people standing up to all of the Petty Tyrants they have created and eventualy to them.
Hell yeah stand up to them, if you choose to. Stage an anti-whatever rally. Have speakers louder than theirs. I am all for that, but do not restrict Free Speech and do not burn a book. It may be tough to live with sometimes, but things that are worth it, are very rarely easy.
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This is why Hate Speech is Dangerous.. and Is harmful.
Slippery slope. Remember when gays were not allowed to talk about their sexual preferences. Well that restriction of speech long ago, is just as bad as what you propose.
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I have no idea why people diferenciate between it being ok to spew hate against Gays ( one minority ) and not ok to spew hate tword blacks ( another minority that *just* got thier rights) to me it is 2 sides of the same coin.
I think it is okay to hate on whoever someone wants to hate on. I am an equal opportunity hater myself, I hate most humans. It is when they allow that emotion to control their actions, that the problem lies.
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Hate is bad.. no matter how you slice it. It brings with it violence, and removes peoples rights. ( or never gives it to them)
And it will always be around. It is part of being human. Instead of suppressing emotions, people need to learn to control their actions based upon emotions.
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~ as I have said before no I do not want thought police... or a nanny state I know someone who secretly hates some group of people will bring that up.
I just do not want *any* group of people to be second class citizens with fewer rights, who are reviled and attacked simply because of race, religion, creed, sexual orientation, or any of that crap we should all be cool with since we are not in the dark ages.
Gwyn
How do you plan to control it then?
It is a nice thought but there will always be second class citizens somewhere. Equality is an illusion, and if you think about it, it should be. Now equitable treatment under the law is a different story, but if someone does not like the fact I am white, or from the south, I am okay with that. They are allowed to feel and believe anyway they wish.
Also, have you ever thought about the perpetuating fact that you are not cool with something that someone else is not cool with? Irony?
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