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How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 7:50:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've explored a lot of religious ideas over the years-I finally gave up on them all. I just can't bring myself to believe in spiritual things. It always ends up seeming silly, and fear based in the end.

But rather than bash me over my *lack* of faith-from those of you who do.. Can I hear from those of you who are not atheists-(which I just consider to be anti-religion, more waste of time.) but just don't bother with religion in your D/s relationships?

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 7:53:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well for me, religion has no spot in my life at all. It (or lack of) doesn't bother me and as far as I can tell it has absolutely no impact on D/s.Sorry for such a short answer but that's pretty much all I have.

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 7:54:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm agnostic and Jewish - like Einstein . It doesn't affect with my personal life.

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 7:56:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's about how I feel as well. It's mostly those who feel that they have to preach thiers to me, that creates any issue at all. They get really annoyed when they tell me I'm going to hell.......

And I just say, "I'm there now, go away-and I won't be."

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 7:58:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		OMG... I just imagined if CuriousLord gets on your thread  ... what a catastrophe... he won't stop going on and on, trying to prove by 2 + 1 = 3.5678 that God doesn't exist...

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 7:59:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Usually it doesn't bother me. I try and see why they feel the need to tell me that, are they genuinely concerned about me like one of my sisters? Or are they trying to show they are way above me in their goodness like an ex-coworker?If it is the former then I take it in the spirit (heh I made a punny) meant, in the latter I do my best to ignore it and distance myself from an emotional response.

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 7:59:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't utilise religion in my relationship because it isn't really relevant and Darcy doesn't choose to do so.   He is agnostic, so he and I are in different places there so it's not really an issue - unless it comes to 'play'.  Confessionals kick ass and getting disciplined or used in or around any holy ground/building grounds kinda rocks.
 
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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 8:00:05 AM   
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OMG... I just imagined if CuriousLord gets on your thread  ... what a catastrophe... he won't stop going on and on, trying to prove by 2 + 1 = 3.5678 that God doesn't exist...


Which is why I safeworded atheists in this thread-it's really just another religion, one of the more annoying.

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 8:01:30 AM   
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Usually it doesn't bother me. I try and see why they feel the need to tell me that, are they genuinely concerned about me like one of my sisters? Or are they trying to show they are way above me in their goodness like an ex-coworker?If it is the former then I take it in the spirit (heh I made a punny) meant, in the latter I do my best to ignore it and distance myself from an emotional response.


My usual response is amused indifference. It's pretty much like meeting a brick wall with a smile painted on it.

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 8:02:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I consider myself an apatheist at this time.  Religion has no bearing what so ever on my relationships, no matter if I was searching for a religion or if I've hit a moment of clarity, I've always been the same person and treated others around me with compassion.  I recognize that there are many in this world that need religion to be able guide their moral compass and I think that so long as religion brings someone peace and comfort as well as provides the guide they are looking for then I'm happy they found their path.  Personally, while I was involved in religion I had far more questions then peace and so I learned that the path wasn't for me.  I do find that there are as many who don't believe that wish to convert to their paradigm as those that are uber faithful, these are people that I would have a hard time being in a relationship with.

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 8:05:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nothing wrong with you not having a belief in something that might or might not be there, it is just that some do and some don't. Each to their own. My belief is not fear based, I had it with all those, as I saw many as a means to control, words interpreted by control freaks. What I believe in I love.

I suppose the best belief you can have, is belief in yourself and those loved ones around you.

Only at times does my D/s interest coincide with my spirituality. Then the desire is there , at other times not.


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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 8:13:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I tend to state I'm agnostic if pushed to give a religion but religion is not a big part of my life. I'd been involved with many different religions growing up, I just became disillusioned by them over the years. I do believe there are powers greater than myself in the world but I don't feel any religion can explain it and view most as cliquish and money generating ventures. So my spirituality is personal and private. In that vein I don't really see where it relates in any direct way with my lifestyle choices, other thank knowing most religions would chastize me for them but hey it's my life.

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 8:14:02 AM   
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I suppose the best belief you can have, is belief in yourself and those loved ones around you.


That is what the church of Satan preaches ;)

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 8:18:33 AM   
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I suppose the best belief you can have, is belief in yourself and those loved ones around you.


That is what the church of Satan preaches ;)

Yes. But they still tie it to these absurd rituals, and it's still a religion. I'm not buying a thinly veiled attempt by an old carney to hijack simple humanism-sorry.

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 8:29:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		To my way of thinking, Religion, is something many people need in one form or another, but not everyone requires it. Religion ultimately gives a person a sense of purpose in life, and answers for the unanswerable at times. It lets them know there ARE answers and reasons, even if they themselves do not know them.
I would never say religion is a crutch, it is simply an enriching aspect to add to one's life. But some people simply don't need that, their life is rich and fulfilling as it is, and they don't feel the need to look to religion for their answers. They come up with some of their own, or they are happy not knowing.

Religion, like a kink, is good for some people, and unnecessary for others. I never bother with it in my relationships. My partner can feel free to do whatever they like and believe what they like, so long as that isn't pushed on me, but for me, I'm happy with my amused 'what if's' and really not caring.
I don't think this makes me 'unspiritual' rather, my concern is with people, and life itself. Maybe that counts as a form of religion, but to my mind the meaning of life is to be happy. If that means feeling justified by religion, good deeds, or penance of some kind, then hey, whatever makes you feel good about your life. I don't need to believe in far fetched things to be happy in life.

I probably didn't say any of this very well, but it's my muddled idea as it stands right now.


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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 8:30:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lack of religion only affected me once.

When a student group was in trouble, I protested and my form of protest freaked by then submissive in training out. I further freaked him out when I told him that God would protect me and he said he couldn't handle religion.

I was much younger then and today I would not have protested in the same way but it always hurt that that person used my religious belief that God would protect me as an excuse to leave our dynamic. It did help set my own internal rules for what I look for religiously and spiritually in a potential partner.

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 8:38:04 AM   
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But rather than bash me over my *lack* of faith-from those of you who do.. Can I hear from those of you who are not atheists-(which I just consider to be anti-religion, more waste of time.) but just don't bother with religion in your D/s relationships?


My Daddy and I do not believe the same things, and that is ok. In fact I tend not to talk to him about my spirituality for the most part. I do not require the person I am with to be deeply spiritual or religious. He has a spiritual side, we do talk about it sometimes, but I respect where he is at.

We are not religious at all. It works for us.

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 8:53:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am an atheist, and I don't regard it as an anti-religion.  Other folks can have religion, no big deal.   I have never felt any kind of spiritual connection through my bdsm activities.

I thought that I could handle being with a religious person, but it turned out to be a serious clash, because he had that need to preach at me...  so now I am right out there with not being a believer.

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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 8:58:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		My Master and I come from very two worlds in terms of our religion/spirituality and have to do the respectfully respect each other’s views by not bringing it up in our relationship.

That does not mean that we are conscious and sacrifice a little for the other’s beliefs but neither of us would ever use it to manipulate the other. Our religious/spiritual beliefs and how they affect our lives are present in most things even with people that have no thoughts about it. But you can make a conscious decision not to push these thoughts and opinions on others.


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RE: How does NOT having religion affect D/s? - 3/12/2008 9:03:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I don't see atheism as being "anti-religion". I am opposed to organized religion and theistic concepts for the most part, but that's more of a philosophical thing and less about day-to-day activities. Whatever. I don't really like the term atheism though, because as Asimov so brilliantly put it, "I'd rather talk about the things I do believe rather than the things I don't."

That said, yeah, I couldn't be with somebody very religious. Not necessarily believing in a god or a set of spiritual beliefs, but there's no way me and a devout Catholic or Muslim or Pagan are going to get on in a romantic relationship. I have no problem befriending those kinds of people, and there are even some religious beliefs I don't find grating enough to be a hinderance (hindus and buddhists spring to mind, but buddhism is more of a philosophical outlook than a religion). But if it's devout and its diametrically opposed to my views (as most religions I've found are in one form or another), then we're going to butt heads. A lot. And that's not going to be fun for anybody.


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