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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I`ve posted this before,but unfortunately some thns never go out of style.

You`ve Got To Be Carefully Taught


You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!


General question.

An earlier poster made the asinine contention that it was the existence of black-centered collages,institutions and groups like the NAACP,etc. that are responsible for racism.

Question...

What came 1st,the racism and discrimination that spawned outfits like  Morehouse College,the NAACP and SPLC,or was it those institutions(and one`s like them) that started prejudice/fear and hate in our culture?

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

Went flapping right over your cranium, didn't it, woofie?

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

That is Orion's "single standard": do nothing and pretend that everything is hunky-dory. Pretend there is no discrimination. America is now officially color-blind, according to 55% of whites, as well as the "law". Discrimination is illegal; therefore, employers can't possibly be discriminating; ipso facto. Just mind-boggling.

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

1) You lied as that link goes to no standard, just more evidence that there is discimination.

2) I have never said there is not discrimination.

3) Saying it is okay to discriminate for someone, because of their race or ethnicity, is hypocritical to saying discimination is bad. It is like sending mixed signals. If you do not believe that, look at some of the research done on social impact of cognitive developement of mixed signal messages (this is where many parents fuck up with "Do as I say not as I do), because we learn by seeing.

4) A level playing field apparently seems to be subjective and relies on opinion, as the things to supposedly level it, are contributing to the continuation of discrimination. As long as their are lines of division, people will make decisions based upon those lines, sometimes even subconsciously.

5) Your's and other's "reasons" for discriminating for someone, is justification for hypocricy. People need to earn what they get (merit), or the value of it is less.

I concur.
Reverse discrimination IS discrimination. Period.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

1) You lied as that link goes to no standard, just more evidence that there is discimination.

2) I have never said there is not discrimination.

3) Saying it is okay to discriminate for someone, because of their race or ethnicity, is hypocritical to saying discimination is bad. It is like sending mixed signals. If you do not believe that, look at some of the research done on social impact of cognitive developement of mixed signal messages (this is where many parents fuck up with "Do as I say not as I do), because we learn by seeing.

4) A level playing field apparently seems to be subjective and relies on opinion, as the things to supposedly level it, are contributing to the continuation of discrimination. As long as their are lines of division, people will make decisions based upon those lines, sometimes even subconsciously.

5) Your's and other's "reasons" for discriminating for someone, is justification for hypocricy. People need to earn what they get (merit), or the value of it is less.

I concur.
Reverse discrimination IS discrimination. Period.

Says who?

Let`s use the analogy of a foot race.

If you start the race and hold back the black runners and let the white runners lap the track a few times,you call that discrimination.

If you finally recognize and stop the discrimination and let the black runners run "freely," they`ll still lose the race b/c the white runners are miles ahead already.

You can`t you can`t call the race fair just because you stopped the discrimination.

Same is so in society.

You also can`t say that things are all even-steven just because there`s supposedly no discrimination any more(something we know is not true)

If we don`t allow the black runners to catch up,the race will never be fair.

The same is so in society.

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I asked earlier in the thread,...if it isn`t discrimination that`s holding people of color back,what is?

Is there something amiss with African Americans or black culture, that`s holding them back?

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

Absolutely not.
I have not taken advantage of those.
Now, back to our discussion, where we left off.
Can you please give me a reasonable answer to my answer to your scenario above?
'great non-answer' was about the most disingenuous non-answer I've seen.
Thank you.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Let`s use the analogy of a foot race.

Let's not. The analogy is racist. It only holds true if the runners represent races, not people. In life, every generation is new set of runners. Just because one generation's race wasn't run fair doesn't mean the next one's can't be.
 
K.
 

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks
Out of interest, seeks, what kind of results did you get at school?  Did you go on to university? 

Seeks discourses at an academic - perchance even higher than academic - level. He is most respected by me.

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Out of interest, seeks, what kind of results did you get at school?  Did you go on to university?  I totally understand if you'd rather not say but it would help put your views on education into context. 

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

Absolutely not.
I have not taken advantage of those.
Now, back to our discussion, where we left off.
Can you please give me a reasonable answer to my answer to your scenario above?
'great non-answer' was about the most disingenuous non-answer I've seen.
Thank you.

How can you be so sure?

Do you vote?

If the answer is yes,then you have benefited from anti-discrimination laws.

Are you suggesting that all women don`t in-directly if not directly benefit from these laws?

Come on, now.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

   Every year 20/20 or 60 Minutes does a story where they look for available apartments and send whites to apply as well as people of color.

And every year,the Caucasians get the apartment and the others don`t.

That has nothing to do with affirmative action or the NAACP.

That`s about bigotry,straight up.

The same thing happens nation wide with jobs,loans,red-lining,etc.

Until and when that black couple get the apartment(or job,loan,etc.) with the hidden cameras running,we need to do something.