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xxblushesxx -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 8:53:13 AM)
For the reasons listed above, I support a blind admissions system. Difficult to do, I'm sure, but, as with all things worth doing, can be done. No one's opinion is gospel. Erm...except God's. I am sure He has people of all different races who both agree with Him, and disagree. This is a debate, He is in a unique position in which to see all sides of this argument. Hence, the reason He was mentioned many times.

RealityLicks -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 9:10:06 AM)
It is difficult to achieve a blind system. Three years ago the UK removed candidates names from their applications to reduce prejudice, with limited success. It should be said, the unis are trying everything they can within law to change their make-up. But society's swing to the right here has been accompanied by a fashionable heterodoxy of "anti-PC", more dogmatic than that it seeks to overturn. I don't see the advances achieved by the Civil Rights movement as having created a system that supplants white hegemony just yet. Frontline input is great but it would appear that the ability to "see the other side" studiously eludes those who don't see the wood for the trees.

Moloch -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 9:10:28 AM)
So wait be being rejected from college for having the wrong skin color will promote tolerance and racial equality?

seeksfemslave -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 9:15:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks The university system in the UK is not permitted to use positive discrimination,....edited http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/oct/07/highereducation.accesstouniversity quote: Independent schools are concerned that universities are already beginning to discriminate on school background. Bristol University provoked independent sector fury when it opted to take into account the performance of candidates' schools, and to make lower grade offers accordingly . What ju say brutha? Whatevah.

RealityLicks -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 9:25:28 AM)
Yawn. Read the whole article, old boy. The fact that independent schools (where rich people pay for privileges) are funding research to block universities broadening their intake only supports my point. The fact you are so passionately concerned about the fortunes of a social class that has treated you with contempt for generations is illuminating.

xxblushesxx -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 9:59:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moloch So wait be being rejected from college for having the wrong skin color will promote tolerance and racial equality? [sarcasm] Why yes, Moloch, that is exactly what I'm saying [/sarcasm] Please read my posts, what I advocate, and what I don't, and then we can talk.

LordVelvet -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 12:00:16 PM)
I had a friend who checked "African American" on her collage form. She went in for her interview as was told she lied because she was white. She was born in South Africa to an American father and an African mother, who was white. The school rejected her application for this reason, she sued and won. Affirmative Action hurts some, helps some, but to be told you can't have something, be it work, scholarships, college admission, whatever because you are white is also racist. The best person should get the "prize" not because of their skin color. Just My thoughts. LordVelvet

seeksfemslave -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 1:45:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks Yawn. Read the whole article, old boy. The fact that independent schools (where rich people pay for privileges) are funding research to block universities broadening their intake only supports my point. The fact you are so passionately concerned about the fortunes of a social class that has treated you with contempt for generations is illuminating. I posted my views on UK public skool welfare scrounging from the tax payer when you were still wetting you tongue. lol Just a joke mod. 16 or 11. I'm getting all ways these days.

Wildfleurs -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 1:51:12 PM)
FR~ I can't help but wonder if the people that want a blind admissions process don't know much about the admissions process (in particular among ivy league schools which I do have some experience in since i've volunteered for a few years with my alma matter in the admissions process). Its highly overly simplifying it to believe that race is a numeric input on the applications and that is what literally makes or breaks it (despite the stories that start with, "I have a friend who...."). Specifically ivy league universities are looking for diversity and that doesn't mean racial/ethnic diversity. They are looking for diversity in terms of who the students are, what their story is, and where they come from (geographic diversity tends to be pretty important also). They look for unique, driven, achievers that have something to contribute and can handle the demanding coursework and can take the degree and do great things in whatever area they have a passion for. I think something also to remember is that people admitted are qualified to be there, I think the student profiles at the ivy's (I have a prior post on this thread that has links to them) show that they all admit very qualified and diverse students. So I think there's definitely a disconnect between the perception that minorities are taking up tons of slots and the actual facts (Dartmouth's student population was all of 7% black). C~ P.S. - As a small sidepoint, I do interviews as part of the volunteering, and for both schools they have very strict guidelines about what you can and cannot ask or talk about with students. And they aren't remotely alone in providing very clear and strict guidelines on how to interview students. Additionally, unless they are a staff person (which almost never happens these days since colleges are innundated with applications, they typically all use alumni labor to do interviews), the interviewer wouldn't know the persons race - I'm lucky to get a name, phone number, and possible major for the student I interview beforehand.

seeksfemslave -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 2:02:54 PM)
Stop saying "alma matter" its "alma mater". Wots the matter with you ?

Wildfleurs -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 2:03:56 PM)
[:'(] everyones a critic!

mnottertail -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 2:04:03 PM)
Rocky and Bullwinkle did their sheepskins there.

domiguy -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 2:06:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LordVelvet I had a friend who checked "African American" on her collage form. She went in for her interview as was told she lied because she was white. She was born in South Africa to an American father and an African mother, who was white. The school rejected her application for this reason, she sued and won. Affirmative Action hurts some, helps some, but to be told you can't have something, be it work, scholarships, college admission, whatever because you are white is also racist. The best person should get the "prize" not because of their skin color. Just My thoughts. LordVelvet Well, I had a friend that was born in Alaska, lived in an igloo and survived for the first fifteen years of her life on fish and whale blubber. I believe my story more than yours. It's a dramatic way to make a point....It is also a lie.

seeksfemslave -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 2:09:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs [:'(] everyones a critic! [sm=cool.gif] Well I gave you the benefit of the doubt last time but speaking as the Nanny of CM I have decided to try and raise standards. I know on reflection you will thank me.[sm=cool.gif]

kittinSol -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 2:26:22 PM)
See, there we have your direct experience of admissions in ivy league universities... and nobody who wants "blind admissions" is picking up on your points. I hope a concrete example such as yours will help in getting them to understand the problem, rather than sheepishly repeat the hearsay.

slvemike4u -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 2:38:12 PM)
Does anybody here really think there going to change any one's point of view on a subject as important and ingrained as racism on here.Afte.r 14 pages of post's i defy anyone to show me anywhere a point has been conceded an opinion changed or a racist mind cured of its cancer.Good luck to all involved and would the first person that actually catches his own tail send up a flare

kittinSol -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 2:39:33 PM)
It's frustrating, isn't it [:D] ?

xxblushesxx -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 2:44:50 PM)
Actually, KS, it hasn't been that long since WildFleurs (lovely name, btw) posted about her experience in admissions, and I've been afk. HM is here now, and perhaps after dinner He can address her posting. He is on the admissions committee here, as well.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 3:50:00 PM)
Being racist and not being able to discriminate, is still being racist. You seem to only have a problem with effect, and not cause. Someone of any color or any ethnicity can be "racist", as the term is used today. All you are showing is more of the same, that discrimination does occur. Go back and read where I have said that I agree that discrimination occurs, then maybe you can move on to posting actual answer that go with the questions. quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster Here is one of your "points", Orion. "So if someone is non-white and says the same thing, then it is valid? I think some people are a racist and don't know it, because they are a racist in a way against whites, it is okay. What was that about hypocricy? " Explain to me how African-Americans can be "racist" against whites. Explain to me how Black people keep whites out of the job market. Explain to me how Blacks "redline" whites. Explain to me how whites are stopped by police much more frequently than blacks because of racial profiling. Explain to me how Blacks give whites harsher sentences for the same crime. And look at these statistics: 3 times as many blacks commit hate crimes against whites as vice versa. From Wikipedia: "58.6 percent of the 7,330 known offenders were white and 20.6 black. More than half, 52 percent, of the 9,652 victims identified were targeted because of race.[23]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm just so the intended sarcasm doesn't slip by you once again.

MistressPav -> RE: Racist (3/17/2008 4:18:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveluci quote: ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx I frikken HATE white supremecists White supremacists, black supremacists, male supremacists, female supremacists, ANY supremacists. In my book, one group is just as ignorant as the other. Any "supremacist" idealogy is nonsense.........luci Would it suffice to say, perhaps Dom/mes are nonsense? =) After all, we do exhibit a type of supremacy over our subs/slaves.

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