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BoiJen -> New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 5:38:26 AM)

Am I the only one who think surfing the net isn't a qualifying action to consider oneself "in the lifestyle"?

I mean interest doesn't mean participation in any certain community or lifestyle. Just because someone researches or paricipates on gay forums doesn't mean they're gay. So why would just doing those things make one part of the BDSM community or lifestyle?

And don't go on about how "unsafe" it is to do this in the real world...because of who might find out. It's a load of bullshit. Because you don't want your partner finding out means your fucking around on them looking to be a weekend warrior. Not part of a community. What if my boss finds out? How's your boss going to find out? Somebody gunning for your job was there? Uh-huh let's see how that works out when you mention that little fact.

So call me a snob or whatever...that's my opinion on it.




Madame4a -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 5:39:53 AM)

you're not the only one




colouredin -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 5:43:29 AM)

I qualify it, I say well I realised I was sub about 16 months ago and have been activly involved for just over a year. I think thats fair to be honest, I dont think you have to go to the club, get the membership badge to know who you are, And im pretty sure that you can call yourself gay even if you have never had sex, but whatever. 




RCdc -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 5:46:17 AM)

Hey jen
 
Said it before so this is a kind of repost.
I don't 'do' online - I am not 'Lifestyle' either.  Some peoples kink is online, so what.  I don't see a seperation, but a level of kinkiness.
 
I don't think your a snob for your thoughts, but I am a snob when it comes to people who think there is an altogether (edit to insert 'different')lifestyle when there isn't.[:D]
 
the.dark.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 6:22:59 AM)

I do differentiate between REALTIME and online.  Like when someone tells me that they are a masochist, but have Never Ever Played.  Ummm...okay.  Imagine that poor schmoe in the clutches of Me or MsK?  Yeah, I have encountered first-timers who are totally into it, but just as many who think their fantasies will translate just fine. 




subJuneJM696 -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 6:30:18 AM)

isn't the only thing important the fact how you see yourself instead of looking at others or if they see themselves in a lifestyle yes or no?

i hate the word lifestyle..just following my own feelings and live my life the way i want..




OmegaG -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 6:31:39 AM)

you know, I have a hard time answering when people ask me how long I've been in the lifestyle.  The more I learn the more I discover that the traits that lable me an s-type have been part of me always, that I've almost always presented myself as half of a D/s relationship even if the other half wasn't Dominant.

What has changed is that the knowlege I've found on the internet has defined what has always been going on and helped me realize what components I needed for a succsessful relationship.  And had I found someone with m'Lords personality outside the lables and the bells and whistles I could have still had a happy, long term partnership.

So in one way, I am who I am and it just happens to fit within the "lifestyle".  On the other hand, I didn't have the words to articulate who I was or what I needed until very recently.




softness -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 6:37:46 AM)

I think people can be whatever they want to be BoiJen .. who the hell are you .. me .. or anyone to say what someone else is or isn't.

People will apply what labels, what mystical attachments, and what values to who they are and what they do whether you approve it or not. It is all relative, we are what we choose to be .. and we call it what we choose to call it.

Am sure that a close inspection of my lifestyle would utterly disgust you, you would DEMAND I hand in my twue slave card at the door and never darken the door of kink again. Am also sure the person standing just beside you would go ... now hang on .. that shit right there is edgy ... that dynamic is waaaaaaaay too much for me.


I have one motherfucking hope above all motherfucking hopes.

That people would quit validating themselves ... by invalidating the choices of others.

and yes .. for all those teleological nuts out there .. i did just use a relative to prove a relative .. dont get your logic in a twist.




Real_Trouble -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 6:39:04 AM)

quote:

Am I the only one who think surfing the net isn't a qualifying action to consider oneself "in the lifestyle"?


I was unaware there was a formal criteria and professional certification that was necessary.  If you'd be so kind as to forward me a copy of the forms, I'd be glad to have my lawyer review them.

That's the sarcastic way of saying that it's a loosely defined group (at best), and that membership is clearly voluntary and not absolute.  I happen to think it's also a foolish way to evaluate things; you have to take the circumstances and beliefs of each individual as a whole in order to get a read on them.

quote:

And don't go on about how "unsafe" it is to do this in the real world...because of who might find out. It's a load of bullshit. Because you don't want your partner finding out means your fucking around on them looking to be a weekend warrior. Not part of a community. What if my boss finds out? How's your boss going to find out? Somebody gunning for your job was there? Uh-huh let's see how that works out when you mention that little fact.


I find this string of comments, to be perfectly blunt, to be largely asinine - particularly the latter part, though 'safety' is in many cases an individual issue.  If other people have different limits than I do, I find it about as useful to judge them on that as getting angry with people about their favorite color.

With regard to the work commentary, there are obviously major implications for people in various fields being outed.  In the same way being gay will, actually, get you kicked out of the military in many cases, I'm quite certain that there are any number of governmental figures, religious figures, etc, who would be shit-canned immediately if it came out they were into kink. 

More so, there is a more subtle form of discrimination (which is extremely difficult to prove) that can be at play - one of my former colleagues was outed kink-wise at one point by a co-worker, and was mysteriously denied a promotion for three years running despite being far and away the most qualified person in his group.  He ended up leaving and works somewhere else they are blissfully unaware of his kink, and coincidentally has rocketed up to become a C-level executive in his early 30's.  Go figure, right?

To naively state that there are no real world considerations here, or that they can be blithely avoided, strikes me as exceptionally foolish.  Maybe you are willing to be more brazen about your habits than others, but that's like saying that because you jumped off a cliff and did not die, it must be safe to do it in all places at all times.  Possibly you've never worked with the kinds of back-stabbing vicious vipers that I deal with on a daily basis.  Point is, your claims simply are not corroborated by reality.

Or did something specific trigger this?




Justme696 -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 6:39:37 AM)

not to sound rude....   there is a life style..called "gaming" (on pc's) ..they are mainly online...they do have clan meetings.
does that make them not in the lifestyle?

yes I know absurd example...just trying to say....even when on pc's...people interact...if both are happy..and feel in the lifestyle...then they are.
Lifestyle is a big word anyway...we hardly agree with eachother anyway on here..so why would we agree in real life?




kittinSol -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 6:39:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

(...) I am a snob when it comes to people who think there is an altogether (edit to insert 'different')lifestyle when there isn't.[:D]
 
the.dark.



What is this goddam lifestyle I keep on hearing about anyway?




CalifChick -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 6:44:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

not to sound rude....   there is a life style..called "gaming" (on pc's) ..they are mainly online...they do have clan meetings.
does that make them not in the lifestyle?


Invalid comparison, because that lifestyle IS an online lifestyle.

I think I see what the OP is getting at.  It's like saying I'm a knitter just because I've read about it online, I might even have designed a knitting pattern, but I've never actually picked up the knitting needles and made a scarf or even a scrap of practice work.

Cali




Gemini1766 -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 6:46:47 AM)

My experience is primarily online. I have a pet across the pond, a lovely girl who is bisexual with a heavy preference for women. Yet she adores me, possibly loves me. And she does as ordered. There's no question of this as she has a Domme girlfriend with whom I work in making use of her and training her. We make a good team. She's a bit of a hard ass compared to me, I'm a bit more loving, yet we both keep our girl well taken care of between us. It works, because our girl wants it to.

BTW, my partner in real life knows about what I do. She's not into it, and it does bother her a bit, but she knows. She's not into this kind of thing at all, so I'm pretty sure she's glad I have an online subbie to have my way with, rather than someone RL. Though if I found a nice sub to torment locally...




Justme696 -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 6:48:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

not to sound rude....   there is a life style..called "gaming" (on pc's) ..they are mainly online...they do have clan meetings.
does that make them not in the lifestyle?


Invalid comparison, because that lifestyle IS an online lifestyle.

I think I see what the OP is getting at.  It's like saying I'm a knitter just because I've read about it online, I might even have designed a knitting pattern, but I've never actually picked up the knitting needles and made a scarf or even a scrap of practice work.

Cali


No it is not invalid..it is an assumption that the lifestylers..on here.....meet al in real life.
yes...some of us do...but how many don't see this as a online role play.  I think most of the people having a profile here...never meet...because they are afraid to tell others...are married and have to hide it..or what ever reason.

Still they represent the lifestyle by beeing here.

You know how many goreans are just gorean on IRC??  still it is a whole lifestyle (ok..please no gorean discussion again, this is an example)

and to add......  We don't need a lifestyle..to be and feel who we are. No matter some ones opinion.




BoiJen -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 6:56:45 AM)

Finally my point comes around. I'm not saying there's a particular "lifestyle" I may have gotten the commonly used word mixed up with what I meant...community. And online doen't consitute community. It's far too fragile to hold any real bearing in that.

Like cali said...just cuz I read about how to do it or be it doesn't mean I actually know shit about it or have any experience in DOING it. No matter what IT is




colouredin -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 6:58:21 AM)

Yeah but, you used gay as an example, using the forums on a gay site doesnt make you gay, sao I ask you, to be gay do you have to go to a gay bar? and do you have to have had sex? or can you just be gay?




BoiJen -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 7:01:55 AM)

Just because you have gay fantasies doesn't make you gay. Intent does. Do you have the intent to follow through or stay happily married and only fantasize or only stay online on a damned forum? Intent is a real thing. It's the difference ebtween fantasizing about killing someone and being a murder. And intent is not.."I intend to do this eventually..." and never getting around to it.




LaTigresse -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 7:04:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: softness

I think people can be whatever they want to be BoiJen .. who the hell are you .. me .. or anyone to say what someone else is or isn't.

People will apply what labels, what mystical attachments, and what values to who they are and what they do whether you approve it or not. It is all relative, we are what we choose to be .. and we call it what we choose to call it.

Am sure that a close inspection of my lifestyle would utterly disgust you, you would DEMAND I hand in my twue slave card at the door and never darken the door of kink again. Am also sure the person standing just beside you would go ... now hang on .. that shit right there is edgy ... that dynamic is waaaaaaaay too much for me.


I have one motherfucking hope above all motherfucking hopes.

That people would quit validating themselves ... by invalidating the choices of others.

and yes .. for all those teleological nuts out there .. i did just use a relative to prove a relative .. dont get your logic in a twist.


I also must agree with what RealTrouble said.

While I do think it is important to know whether or not a prospective partner has actually had physical experience. If someone contacts me via the net I am very pushy in wanting to know what their goal is. I don't do cyber domination so if that is ALL they are after they need to move on.

HOWEVER......I am also looking at this from a broader perspective.

# 1.......WTF is this "lifestyle" bullshit? I live MY life. I don't belong to some ubercool secret lifestyle society.
#2........ Based upon the OP's opinion, there are no hetro or homo sexual virgins......

So no, snob would not exactly fit my opinion of that bunk. Narrow minded and ignorant, would.




Justme696 -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 7:05:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

Finally my point comes around. I'm not saying there's a particular "lifestyle" I may have gotten the commonly used word mixed up with what I meant...community. And online doen't consitute community. It's far too fragile to hold any real bearing in that.

Like cali said...just cuz I read about how to do it or be it doesn't mean I actually know shit about it or have any experience in DOING it. No matter what IT is


mmm community.
not sure if that is a better word. Hackers and crackers are a damn close online community. If you want loyal..you got your online loyalty there.
Online and coomunity go very well together.
I think it is more a "taste"to like it or not.
Where people gather regular and with the same interest..you have a community.
The online world became part of our real life presence. Like it or not.... it will become more.







Justme696 -> RE: New to the Lifestyle ...or just online? (3/13/2008 7:07:02 AM)

quote:

It's the difference ebtween fantasizing about killing someone and being a murder.


not sure....where does planning....fit in..planning a murder.
You can be punished for it..even though you didn't murder some one ;)

life is not that black/white

quote:

Finally my point comes around.  


why not make your point more clear in the OP next time




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