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dcnovice -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 8:32:04 PM)

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I was brought up roman catholic dragged to church every Sunday by my mother i can't recall one sermon that deviated from scripture or Paul's letters to the Corinthians or some such nonsense .


Interesting. I grew up Catholic too, and I recall hearing an awful lot about our duty to pressure our leaders to outlaw abortion.



kittinSol -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 8:33:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

Second:  Would you prefer that Obama's "spiritual advisor" be a way out of mainstream fanatic spewing this crap or a mainstream fanatic spewing this crap?   Tell me which is worse?



You know what? I don't give a shit who Obama discusses theological matters with. It's none of my business - and neither should it be yours. Personally, I think it would totally rock if politicians and many voters in America today could just do away with this religious crap altogether.

All this hair tearing over such trivia is a feast for bored eyes [:D].



luckydog1 -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 8:35:56 PM)

"It has nothing to do with religion, race, or issues. It's Governor Dukakis being identified as the person who is blamed in a successful political ad campaign for freeing Willie Horton. Know who started the Massachusetts convicted murderer furlough program? I bet you don't. It was Republican Governor Francis Sargent."

Might want to do some checking on that Mec, its incorrect.  Sargent signed a Non violent prisioner furlough program.  The State courts later required that it be extended to all prisioners.  The Republican led legislature immdiatly passed a bill ending the now violent offender furlough program, which Dukakis Veoted, keeping the program in place, untill with in one year of his election when he eliminated it, under pressure...


I notice the standard Democrat tactic of whining, "you can't say that!!! is in full force.  It worked so well for Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, and Mondale.... Guess what, people can say anything they like



slvemike4u -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 8:38:09 PM)

kittinsol it wasn't me who suggested that the Rev Wright's sermon was par for the course i believe it was you,mzmia and sambamanslilgirl who made that claim..and by the way you did dignify it with a remark,thank you



slvemike4u -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 8:42:44 PM)

Dear dcnovice i don't think that analogy work's catholic dogma teaches that abortion is murder so pressuring your elected officials on that point would be tending to there flock.by the way before i get blasted here i support a woman's right to choose...



stef -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 8:43:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

This hate-America shit though, that Obama apparently sat through every Sunday, pisses me off to no end.

I would hate it too, if it actually happened.  News flash!  It didn't.

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation."

But don't let anything like the truth get in the way of your hate.

~stef



dcnovice -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 8:45:15 PM)

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catholic dogma teaches that abortion is murder so pressuring your elected officials on that point would be tending to there flock.


But they weren't simply telling folks not to have abortions, which would be moral (if not particularly Scriptural) teaching. They were exhorting us to take political action, which is politicking.



Muttling -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 8:50:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Dear dcnovice i don't think that analogy work's catholic dogma teaches that abortion is murder so pressuring your elected officials on that point would be tending to there flock.by the way before i get blasted here i support a woman's right to choose...


Just to clarify something for everyone:

The religious organizations figured out that they have a pretty damned powerful voice in the early 1990's and started organizing that voice.   It wasn't so much the catholics and it certainly wasn't black churches......

It was Pat Robertson who created the Christian Coalition and supporters flocked to his political organization.  They have become THE most powerful political organization outside of the Democratic and Republican parties.






That said, what concerns me about Obama is that he has been in Pastor Wright's following for 20 years and calls him his "spiritual advisor".   You can't convince me that he has not had some level of influence over Obama's views and you can't convince me that Obama is offended by a man who claims that HIV was created by the U.S. government to destroy blacks.   If either were true, he wouldn't have been in his following for 20 years.



Muttling -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 8:52:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

This hate-America shit though, that Obama apparently sat through every Sunday, pisses me off to no end.

I would hate it too, if it actually happened.  News flash!  It didn't.

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation."

But don't let anything like the truth get in the way of your hate.

~stef



He spent 20 years in the man's presence and this is a view that he was totally oblivious to?   He is either nieve to the obvious or lying.   I would respect him more if he were lying, but I sure as heck wouldn't support him on either account.



Sanity -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 8:55:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stef
Are you saying it's less pathetic than your usual arguments, because I think you easily set a new low with this one.  In the spirit of the election, should we put it to a vote?


Instead of hijacking this thread, and trying to make this about me, let's discuss the news about Obama's spiritual adviser over the last twenty years, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. 

Wouldn't that be great?

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For that to be true, two things would first have to happen. 

First, the so called slipping you describe would have to actually be happening.  Since the only people who appear to have their Strawberry Shortcake Underoos in a wad over this are those who probably have nightmares about a woman or a black man in the oval office, it's probably only an issue to the people who were already going to vote for the Manchurian Candidate, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.



Or instead of race-baiting, or gender-baiting... wouldn't it also be great if we could discuss the original issue? But since you're making the assertion that I must be racist / chauvinist pig if I'm not voting your way, in my defense I'll tell you this much. I would most happily vote for a black woman for president.

Care to guess her name?

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Second, Obama would have to be my candidate.  Sadly, mine isn't in the primary.  It's going to make for an interesting election.

Nice try though.

~stef



For Obama not being your candidate, you're showing a lot of personal interest in trying to derail this thread.



slvemike4u -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 9:03:19 PM)

dcnovice i will grant you that point,but let me ask you i did Kennedy have to answer questions about his faith ,Romney his .But ask a legitimate question about the rev Wrights venom and your a racist speaking in code...again i applaud the progress this country has made that a black man is a candidate for president,but not a free pass .Have white people now lost the right to question this man lest where tagged as rednecks.Last time i looked the demographics of the electorate anyone wanting to be President is going to need some white votes



thompsonx -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 9:06:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrMojo90732

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: MrMojo90732

Sorry, but the person I vote for will stand on their own merits, not the merits of what they hope others will think of them. That person will be mindful that they are running to be elected to run a country,
The president in this country is appointed not elected.  He is in fact appointed by people who themselves are appointed by a group of people who are appointed for us to choose the "lesser of two evils" from.  But then I am sure you knew that already.

the greatest nation EVER,
I suppose you should define what you mean by the greatest nation EVER.

without apology for being great,
Without apology for enslaving millions.(blacks)
Without apology for murdering millions.(native americans)
Without apology for withholding suffrage from half of its population.(women)
Without apology for wars of aggrandizement.(too many to name)

without hinderance of trying to appease everyone.

Doing the right thing is rarely the popular thing to do.
V ring six o'clock




Feel free to move to the next nation in line for greatness. Let me know how it goes.



MrMojo:
Thank you for your kind and insightful response.
thompson







luckydog1 -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 9:07:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

This hate-America shit though, that Obama apparently sat through every Sunday, pisses me off to no end.

I would hate it too, if it actually happened.  News flash!  It didn't.

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation."

But don't let anything like the truth get in the way of your hate.

~stef



Well there you have it, the politician spoke, therefore we have the truth...

Anyone who has questions or thinks a politicain might not tell the 100% truth, is full of hate, pathetic and unable to think.


Stef says so, end of story....

But we are supposed to understand that Obama spent 20 years with a spirituall advisor who is a radical, and never realised it, even giving him large donations....And we are supposed to vote for this guy to deal with religious radicals abroad.  To make judgements for the nation? 




dcnovice -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 9:10:38 PM)

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But ask a legitimate question about the rev Wrights venom and your a racist speaking in code.

Are folks saying that it's racist to ask about Obama's minister? I didn't see that in the thread, but I confess I skimmed.



popeye1250 -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 9:14:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: stef
Are you saying it's less pathetic than your usual arguments, because I think you easily set a new low with this one.  In the spirit of the election, should we put it to a vote?


Instead of hijacking this thread, and trying to make this about me, let's discuss the news about Obama's spiritual adviser over the last twenty years, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. 

Wouldn't that be great?

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For that to be true, two things would first have to happen. 

First, the so called slipping you describe would have to actually be happening.  Since the only people who appear to have their Strawberry Shortcake Underoos in a wad over this are those who probably have nightmares about a woman or a black man in the oval office, it's probably only an issue to the people who were already going to vote for the Manchurian Candidate, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.



Or instead of race-baiting, or gender-baiting... wouldn't it also be great if we could discuss the original issue? But since you're making the assertion that I must be racist / chauvinist pig if I'm not voting your way, in my defense I'll tell you this much. I would most happily vote for a black woman for president.

Care to guess her name?

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Second, Obama would have to be my candidate.  Sadly, mine isn't in the primary.  It's going to make for an interesting election.

Nice try though.

~stef



For Obama not being your candidate, you're showing a lot of personal interest in trying to derail this thread.


Sanity, but Condi Rice isn't a "real" black woman to the far left.



Kirata -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 9:14:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

I would hate it too, if it actually happened.  News flash!  It didn't.

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation."

But don't let anything like the truth get in the way of your hate.

It seems to me that the fierce views and strong emotions on display in the Reverend's remarks could not be unknown (or discomfiting, more to the point) to someone who has spent 20 years listening to him, with or without recollection of having actually heard the specific utterances being quoted.

K.



slvemike4u -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 9:26:02 PM)

Yes dcnovice it seems that in some eyes any question of Obamas r/t with rev wright is really redneck code for racism.Yet i've been paying attention to national politics since 1968 and never seen anyone swept to prominence on such a wave of hysteria.Sure seems like a cult of personality to me ,like the old lady in the Burgerking ads of years ago used to ask "wheres the beef"...



stef -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 9:29:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Instead of hijacking this thread, and trying to make this about me, let's discuss the news about Obama's spiritual adviser over the last twenty years. 

Wouldn't that be great?

We are doing that.  I'm also discussing your sad comparison between this church and the KKK.  Consider it multi-tasking.  Besides, the two are now inexorably linked, and that's all on you.

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Or instead of race-baiting, or gender-baiting... wouldn't it be great if we could discuss the original issue?

We are discussing it. 

Do you have any more assumptions to make since your claim that Obama had to sit through "hate-America shit" every Sunday was refuted?  Personally, I'd like to hear from more of the congregation to see what they say about the Pastor's sermons and just how often he threw a nutty.  I can't imagine that he would have had such a long tenure as Pastor if it was a frequent occurance. 

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But since you're making the assertion that I must be racist / chauvinist pig if I'm not voting your way,

I never made any such assertion so please don't put words in my mouth.

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in my defense I'll tell you this much. I would most happily vote for a Black woman for president.

Care to guess her name?

Not that it matters, but I would guess it's Condi.

~stef



dcnovice -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 9:29:48 PM)

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like the old lady in the Burgerking ads of years ago used to ask "wheres the beef"...


I've asked that question too, actually.



mnottertail -> RE: Interesting Quotes from Obama's Pastor (3/14/2008 9:33:06 PM)

Oh, come now, Kirata, just breeze me the fuck thru your shepards last twenty years of exhortations .......give me the high points only please, I dont have a sort of didactic mind that could hold 20 years of preachering and say, you know---by god----

Really,
Ron



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