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Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/14/2008 8:12:46 PM   
DistinctGuide


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Status: offline 		See my thoughts about voice at the end.

Please comment - Doms, subs, anyone...

some statements i heard and my thoughts about them:

raising the voice will raise the subs awareness; wrong! it will just raise subs fear

yelling will shorten the learning process; wrong! it will shorten the lesson but reduce the result of it

voice is used to say orders; wrong! if you need to order subs around you are playing Sm and not living Ds

words are just words; wrong! words define you

All of the statements above define inexperience and play activities rather than Ds.

Now my thoughts about voice in Ds:

voice is a very strong tool if you use it in the right way

strong voice establishes trust without raising the voice level; stong voice is clear and does not leave doubts about what you are saying

voice is there to guide and not to order; if your voice makes sense suns will follow without the need to commanding it

lack of voice can be a strong communication tool; silence causes discomfort and subs will understand it better than yelling

a single word said in the right way can spread calm and comfort; calling the sub by name is one of the most comforting experience


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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/14/2008 8:16:33 PM   
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Voice is a tool, learn to use it properly. Intonation and clarity must leave no room for confusion over what is being said. Tonality can imply any emotion from the sinister to warmth.

To have to raise one's voice implies out of control anger, not control. To raise on'es voice implies that the subject has control of your emotions. This is a thing to be avoided. It's the sub's reactions one strives to control and direct-not the other way round.

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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/14/2008 8:54:21 PM   
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Dom's Voice?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1048589/mpage_1/key_voice/tm.htm#1048595
masters voice

http://www.collarchat.com/m_866004/mpage_1/key_voice/tm.htm#866199
the other's voice

http://www.collarchat.com/m_656084/mpage_1/key_voice/tm.htm#656385
voices

http://www.collarchat.com/m_515776/mpage_1/key_voice/tm.htm#515810
voice pitch in dominant males

http://www.collarchat.com/m_375177/mpage_2/key_voice/tm.htm#376901
tone of voice


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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 12:45:57 AM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		Words and tone of voice are very important.  My Master uses his voice as he wishes with me, to impart whatever message he needs to impart.  Sometimes he comes across very dear, sometimes playful, sometimes very stern but quiet, sometimes cold and terse, and sometimes he raises his voice.  A raised voice does not automatically mean out of control anger, and to think so is a mistaken conclusion.  A raised voice in our case just means he chooses to make his point that way.  He is very aware and in control of what he is doing and why, whatever his tone, and if I'm affected a certain way, it's very likely because he wants me affected that way.

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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 1:20:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		A voice is a tool in general. You talk with it...if you sound monotoon..noone will pay attention.
Leaders use a voice as an important tool. (good leaders)

besides the tone..it s important to make the important words you say....sound more powerfull.






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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 7:19:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Having to raise his voice can also be an indication that an upper resp is turning into a sinus/ear infection. Literally. If he gets upset because I don't respond we have discovered that it's either because I can't hear or just that I need to think about what he asked me.

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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 7:48:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		yes good point. The sub or slave has to think about something also of course. And I am glad they do.

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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 9:59:30 AM   
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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 10:04:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DistinctGuide


Now my thoughts about voice in Ds:

voice is a very strong tool if you use it in the right way

strong voice establishes trust without raising the voice level; stong voice is clear and does not leave doubts about what you are saying

voice is there to guide and not to order; if your voice makes sense suns will follow without the need to commanding it

lack of voice can be a strong communication tool; silence causes discomfort and subs will understand it better than yelling

a single word said in the right way can spread calm and comfort; calling the sub by name is one of the most comforting experience


Distinct Guide


I agree with your thoughts.   With me, my Dom's voice is the absolute, most important tool He has.   One word or phrase can cut me to the bone, but it can also touch my soul in a way that nothing else can.    A whisper in my ear can melt me.   A stern commanding tone can bring me to my knees (figuratively and literally).    Hearing Him say my name just enforces that I'm His.    

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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 10:07:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ummm, that sounds Taoist and delightful, but there ARE times when you need to use your voice to issue an order.  Like, if I want her to make a left turn and she's in the middle lane, what am I supposed to do--use my ancient Chinese mind-control skills to force her to change lanes?

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ORIGINAL: DistinctGuide

voice is used to say orders; wrong! if you need to order subs around you are playing Sm and not living Ds

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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 10:13:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

power whispers...it has not reason to yell....~fav quote


I love it when Master whispers in my ear in that authoritive tone makes me all tingly

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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 10:19:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I used to play with this dom who never once raised his voice to me.  He always spoke softly and yet his tone told me that he meant every word he said.
 
A loud voice is just that - loud. To me, it's all about WHAT is said not the volume at which it's said.
 
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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 10:24:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was discussing just this morning .. how one particular tone in His  voice, and a well aimed chair squirm .. is sometimes all it takes to make me orgasm

Tone of voice is important, without it no two people can communicate with a true effectiveness. How many chats have you had turn into a squabble because someone miustook anothers tone? Countless.

I thinks its .. um ... simplistic .. to say that you shouldn't need to bark orders or that by barking you are merely playing at Ds.

Also loved the tone of the OP that painted subs as soemthing akin to non-thinking robots ...

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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 10:35:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find that most of my slaves respond best when I talk like Peter Lorre.
 
Edited to add: voice can indeed be a tool.

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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 10:41:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Level

I find that most of my slaves respond best when I talk like Peter Lorre.
 
Edited to add: voice can indeed be a tool.


Hello Moto!


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voice is used to say orders; wrong! if you need to order subs around you are playing Sm and not living Ds


So, how are you communicating?  That statement makes little sense.  Perhaps you mean, "bark" orders? 

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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 10:44:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

I find that most of my slaves respond best when I talk like Peter Lorre.
 
Edited to add: voice can indeed be a tool.


Hello Moto!


quote:

voice is used to say orders; wrong! if you need to order subs around you are playing Sm and not living Ds


So, how are you communicating?  That statement makes little sense.  Perhaps you mean, "bark" orders? 




I agree with your comment, Aylee. And even "barking" does not necessarily make someone a poseur....

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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 10:49:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Really, a voice like Peter Lorre.  Well, alright, as long as Master doesn't look like him, too.
 
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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 10:50:22 AM   
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I find that most of my slaves respond best when I talk like Peter Lorre.



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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 10:52:02 AM   
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I find that most of my slaves respond best when I talk like Peter Lorre.
 



have found .. that I will do *anything* .. if asked in a Dominant Dracula voice ...

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RE: Voice as a tool in Ds - 3/15/2008 11:00:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		my Daddy's voice is one of my MOST favorite things in the whole entire world, and his silence is one of the harder things i have had to learn to accept...His voice can be calm, cold, warm, sweet, playful and occasionally he raises it but not in anger more in being emphatic about something.....i don't fear him and he doesn't have to order me around to do things.....i know what to do most of the time and if he needs something he simply asks or hands me his glass or something.....or i know that it is the time of day that say he might want a cup of coffee and some chocolate after dinner so i will ask if he is ready....or it will be the time of night that he usually has chocolate milk and a cookie and i will ask if he is ready for it.....

During a scene i wish he would speak to me more, as i know that it would make me go to subspace, if he used a specific tone or words....but then he doesn't seem to want me to go to subspace at this point so he doesn't do that.


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