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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 9:41:37 AM   
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And all you have to do is cover your eyes and ears, to not see any evidence to the contrary...neat trick, hmmmm?



I have read the stories Alumbrado.  But something you seem to want to gloss over are these words: "the Dalai Lama's government in exile."  Government in exile, huh?  So the Dalai Lama apparently has no intention or establishing democracy if Tibet was to become a sovereign state.  Like I said before, the Dalai Lama and his team are in this for their own purposes.  He wants to return to Tibet and rule absolutely.  If he wanted democracy, he wouldn't be calling his team "government in exile." 

I will tell you why this irritates me.  The people that idolize the Dalai Lama and decorate themselves with "Free Tibet" paraphernalia are the people that wear pictures of the murdering thug Che Guevera on t-shirts.  They don't have a clue about the reality surrounding the history of these causes they take up.  They overlook the fact that the Dalai Lama and his ilk were on the CIA's payroll for decades.  They helped finance armed incursions into Tibet.  Men of peace, they are not.  They readily believe lies and propaganda from a man that has never worked a day in his life.  The Dalai Lama is not a great man.  He is a lazy, self serving con man that lucked into his position in life.  He can write all the idealistic, man of peace nonsense he wants.  He can rub noses with Hollywood elitists (also a bunch of misinformed, uneducated morons) and make self-serving speeches to idealistic, naive college students all he wants.  But it will never change the history of what went on in Tibet prior to China's occupation. 


While I despise the "free tibet" movement which is often printed on Chinese shirts and is the same group which wants us to get out of Iraq but get involved in the Sudan but will then want to get back into Iraq to deal with the ethnic slaugher there, to say that the Dali Lama is a con artist is a bit over the top.

The real world of power and politics is rarely pretty, even our founding fathers had their petty side and a better bunch of idealists it would be hard to find.  What China is doing to Tibet is disgraceful and democracy is overrated.

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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 9:53:10 AM   
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  Democracy is not the choice of every people.  Invasion is the choice only of a conquering people.

  1. Tibet was invaded.  That his historical fact. 
  2. Their culture has been attacked.  That is historical fact. 
  3. China is the aggressor nation.  That is historical fact.

We endorse the territorial sovereignty of Kosovo, we support the rights of Kurds; why exclude Tibet?


So the Tibetans want a return to rife illiteracy and feudalism, huh?  Sorry, I'm not buying that.  We do not support a independent Kurdistan.  It would lead to war with Turkey almost assuredly.  We recognized Kosovo after a REAL attempt at genocide took place.  China is not destroying the culture of Tibet, and that is an outright fabrication by the Dalai Lama.  The social institutions that were removed by the Chinese were feudalism, slavery, and theocracy.  Well I won't shed any tears over the loss of that culture, and neither should anyone else. 

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Simply put, you are in error.


Well it's weird that someone on a kink site would think he's such a great man considering his views on homosexuality.  You do know he views it as immoral and unnatural, right? 

Besides that, what great things has he done besides writing books and making speeches?  What real actions has he taken that have made the world better?


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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:01:20 AM   
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And all you have to do is cover your eyes and ears, to not see any evidence to the contrary...neat trick, hmmmm?



I have read the stories Alumbrado.  But something you seem to want to gloss over are these words: "the Dalai Lama's government in exile."  Government in exile, huh?  So the Dalai Lama apparently has no intention or establishing democracy if Tibet was to become a sovereign state.  Like I said before, the Dalai Lama and his team are in this for their own purposes.  He wants to return to Tibet and rule absolutely.  If he wanted democracy, he wouldn't be calling his team "government in exile." 

I will tell you why this irritates me.  The people that idolize the Dalai Lama and decorate themselves with "Free Tibet" paraphernalia are the people that wear pictures of the murdering thug Che Guevera on t-shirts.  They don't have a clue about the reality surrounding the history of these causes they take up.  They overlook the fact that the Dalai Lama and his ilk were on the CIA's payroll for decades.  They helped finance armed incursions into Tibet.  Men of peace, they are not.  They readily believe lies and propaganda from a man that has never worked a day in his life.  The Dalai Lama is not a great man.  He is a lazy, self serving con man that lucked into his position in life.  He can write all the idealistic, man of peace nonsense he wants.  He can rub noses with Hollywood elitists (also a bunch of misinformed, uneducated morons) and make self-serving speeches to idealistic, naive college students all he wants.  But it will never change the history of what went on in Tibet prior to China's occupation. 



The filthy rich and spoiled slaveowning Dalai Lama had been on the CIA payroll for decades?  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenzin_Gyatso,_14th_Dalai_Lama

"Gyatso was the fifth of 16 children born to a farming family in the village of Taktser in the Tibetan province of Amdo where his parents named him Lhamo Döndrub (Tibetan: ལ; Wylie: Lha-mo Don-'grub) and where he learned the Amdo dialect of Tibetan as his first language.[2][3] He was proclaimed the tulku (rebirth) of the thirteenth Dalai Lama at the age of two.
On 17 November 1950, at the age of fifteen, he was enthroned as Tibet's ruler. Thus he became Tibet's most important political ruler just one month after the People's Republic of China's invasion of Tibet on 7 October 1950. In 1951, the Tibetans, under pressure from the People's Liberation Army of China, signed the Seventeen Point Agreement which was ratified by the Dalai Lama a few months later[4]. In 1954, he went to Beijing to attempt peace talks with Mao Zedong and other leaders of China's communist government, according to Tibet.com, the website of Tibet's government in exile. These talks ultimately failed.[5] In 1956, however, the Dalai Lama became the chair of the Preparatory Committee for the Tibet Autonomous Region (PCART).[6]
After a failed uprising and the collapse of the Tibetan resistance movement in 1959, the Dalai Lama left for India, where he was active in establishing the Central Tibetan Administration (the Tibetan Government in Exile) and in seeking to preserve Tibetan culture and education among the thousands of refugees who accompanied him."

I see you making all sorts of claims for the Dalai Lama, where are his words that he has no intention of allowing Tibet to move to a democracy, should China ever give up their occupation?


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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:02:10 AM   
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Well it's weird that someone on a kink site would think he's such a great man considering his views on homosexuality. You do know he views it as immoral and unnatural, right?


Actually, no, he does not.  Again, you are in error.

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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:07:49 AM   
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Has anyone ever noticed you never see the Dalai Lama and Barack Obama in the same room?

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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:15:03 AM   
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Has anyone ever noticed you never see the Dalai Lama and Barack Obama in the same room?


Things that make you go hmmmmmm.....


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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:20:52 AM   
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Yeah, sure - they're changing. China is building up a super military! Soon they will do to Europe what they've done to Tibet and then people not affected might shrug and say, eh, not much of a loss, that.



Damn! You rightwingers always make me piss myself with laughter.

Hey, How about we start a campaign to free Iraq and the Palestinians?

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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:23:03 AM   
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China has always had a very large standing army but they are now reaching far beyond that. They are developing a very sizable modern navy and air force, their military is reaching into space - their recent buildup should be quite startling to anyone who has even casually read up on it.


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China have had major military power for many years now even back to the days when your "principled?" President Nixon changed his opportunistic habits of a career lifetime to prove what a statesman he was. He tried to accomodate China if you recall.


Nixon visited China, he reached out to the Chinese, but it was a very different (much poorer) China than we see today and therefore Nixon has nothing at all to do with this conversation, really. Unless you want to blame the modern threat that China has become on him, there could potentially be a case to be made there.

The "Liberal" shift that China has made is to a more Capitalist economy, which has helped to partially lift them out of their extremely squalid Socialist existence.


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I have read too many articles saying that in China's terms a major liberal shift has occurred especially on the economic front.
The are defeating the West and in particular the US economically, they have no need of military escapades outside of their immediate sphere of influence.


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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:24:18 AM   
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I'm sorry. Do you do that a lot? I went to school with a kid once who was like that.


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Damn! You rightwingers always make me piss myself with laughter.


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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:24:51 AM   
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Yeah, sure - they're changing. China is building up a super military! Soon they will do to Europe what they've done to Tibet and then people not affected might shrug and say, eh, not much of a loss, that.



Damn! You rightwingers always make me piss myself with laughter.


I have read that US military strategists are of the opinion that China anticipates war with the US by about 2020.  China is definitely seeking to expand its sphere of influence--whether they mean to do so militarily is of indeterminate probability at this point.


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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:26:13 AM   
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I'm sorry. Do you do that a lot? I went to school with a kid once who was like that.


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Damn! You rightwingers always make me piss myself with laughter.



When there is a joker around like you Sanity coming out with such nonsense, I can understand why he pissed himself with laughter.

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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:29:09 AM   
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Do you think that pissing yourself (for whatever reason, real or imagined) is normal?

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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:29:28 AM   
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Yeah, sure - they're changing. China is building up a super military! Soon they will do to Europe what they've done to Tibet and then people not affected might shrug and say, eh, not much of a loss, that.



Damn! You rightwingers always make me piss myself with laughter.


I have read that US military strategists are of the opinion that China anticipates war with the US by about 2020.  China is definitely seeking to expand its sphere of influence--whether they mean to do so militarily is of indeterminate probability at this point.

From what I've read the Chinese are having some very serious problems with pollution and loss of arable land/desertification. I've been thinking that they might collapse under that load.

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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:32:33 AM   
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Yeah, sure - they're changing. China is building up a super military! Soon they will do to Europe what they've done to Tibet and then people not affected might shrug and say, eh, not much of a loss, that.



Damn! You rightwingers always make me piss myself with laughter.


I have read that US military strategists are of the opinion that China anticipates war with the US by about 2020.  China is definitely seeking to expand its sphere of influence--whether they mean to do so militarily is of indeterminate probability at this point.



They will increase their sphere of influence purely by the fact their economy is growing and getting stronger. That fact alone has already increased its sphere of influence. 

Many would say US strategists anticipate war with China in around 2020 as the only way to keep American pre-eminence.

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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:33:40 AM   
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It could go several ways. It's essentially a powerful dictatorship, and he (the dictator) may decide that he could solve his problems by "annexing" more territory, or by another mass slaughter of his own people...

The mass slaughter of millions and millions and millions of men, women and children isn't rare at all among Socialist dictatorships, after all - and he could see as one way to fix things.

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From what I've read the Chinese are having some very serious problems with pollution and loss of arable land/desertification. I've been thinking that they might collapse under that load.


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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:34:30 AM   
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Do you think that pissing yourself (for whatever reason, real or imagined) is normal?


When you come out with such nonsense Sanity, you are a danger to anyone with a sound mind that wants to keep control of their bodily functions.

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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:37:35 AM   
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From what I've read the Chinese are having some very serious problems with pollution and loss of arable land/desertification. I've been thinking that they might collapse under that load.

That is a very serious problem for them.  Of course, would such a collapse make them more or less militaristic?  That would be my concern.  (China does have a nuclear arsenal of its own)


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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:38:14 AM   
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You might want to take a bath, and have that checked out come Monday. There might be medication out there that would improve your life dramatically.


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Do you think that pissing yourself (for whatever reason, real or imagined) is normal?


When you come out with such nonsense Sanity, you are a danger to anyone with a sound mind that wants to keep control of their bodily functions.


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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:40:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Yeah, sure - they're changing. China is building up a super military! Soon they will do to Europe what they've done to Tibet and then people not affected might shrug and say, eh, not much of a loss, that.



Damn! You rightwingers always make me piss myself with laughter.


I have read that US military strategists are of the opinion that China anticipates war with the US by about 2020.  China is definitely seeking to expand its sphere of influence--whether they mean to do so militarily is of indeterminate probability at this point.

From what I've read the Chinese are having some very serious problems with pollution and loss of arable land/desertification. I've been thinking that they might collapse under that load.


China has a host of problems including unrest in more places than Tibet because of land erosion and river pollution etc. It also has to contend with a paranoid Washington. You are right in what you imply, China is in no fit state to invade anyone and even on Washington's estimates, it is bearly replacing obsolete weapons.

This whole Tibet thing is being stirred up by people not interested in Tibet but more interested in getting at China.

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RE: FREE TIBET NOW!!!!! - 3/16/2008 10:40:41 AM   
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Actually, no, he does not.  Again, you are in error.

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Actually, yes he does.  http://www.badkarmalama.com/homophobia.html.  You're in error.  I can link to websites as well.  Yeah, he does change his tune when he is in front of gay and lesbian groups or is speaking in San Francisco.  Good con men know how to change coats depending on the company. 

You still haven't answered my question.  What has he actually done that is great besides writing books and making speeches? 

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